~Anne~

I feel the same way. My knowledge just keeps growing. DOL has to be one of the best dog resources EVER!

I found the thread! Seizures caused by deoderant I think you will find this very interesting CaseyKay! I suggest you pm TangerineDream.

OMG, how scary for you. What flea/heartworm control do you use? Have you changed this at all? Could it possibly be something she is absorbing through her skin? Some time ago, here on DOL, someone reported their dog having seizures and ebing very sick and it turned out it was her deoderant (or it could have been hair spray??). The dog would sit with her while she was getting dressed.

I had to dig this thread up to say - THIS PRODUCT IS BRILLIANT!!! I purchased some on Janba's advice here and I tried it on the weekend and washed down all of my porch and pavers. I was concerned thinking that the smell of the citronella would be a bit yukko but it wasn't. The whole yard smelled fresh and clean and the flies, although they hovered, did not want to land anywhere. I only used about 30 ml in a large bucket of hot water and used a soft broom to 'scrub' the pavers with. No rinsing. I thoroughly recommend this stuff. I ordered it and it was delivered the next day too so it is great service as well! It wasn't overpowering (I would describe the scent as fresh actually) and my dogs didn't seem to mind it. They havn't urinated yet where I used it either but this could be coincidental.

Thin and clear is good. I tis whatthe body produces to 'glue' itself back together. Discourage her from licking.

I also use phenyl, in fact I use every product known to man.... and the only ting I don't like about phenyl is that your yard ends up smelling a little like a toilet. I walked into a petrol station the other week and was greeted by a gorgeous scent. I asked the cashier waht it was and she said they used a lemon disenfectant. Lemon is such a fresh smell. I guess it wouldn't kill the odour though and would only mask it.

Epilepsy you will find is a quite specialised veterinary field and so although most Vets know what epilepsy is, they really only know the basics unless they have spent time treating and researching the condition. My Vet has ofetn phoned me up over the years to ask something or requested urls and things from me. Between us I think we have it down pat thogh, I sitll couldn't manage the condition without him and his knowledge, it just needs to be a team thing. It may take him up to 6 weeks to settle in with the drug. At first he may be clumbsy (usually termed 'ataxic' and is primarily in the hind region) and spaced out but as his body adjusts to the Pb these side affects will lessen. Depending on the dose they may dissappear altogether. His thirst will increase as well which also means he will urinate more and so you will need to be mindful of his access to outside for toileting (assuming he is a house dog). His hunger may also increase... which usually makes it easier to medicate them anyway but be wary of letting him get fat. The head jerking is a worry? Is he like this all the time? If so, then I would suggest that this may be seizure activity... and I would think there may be a neurological disorder? If it happens on and off then it will also be seizure activity (not all seizures are grand mal) and his meds may need to be adjusted to try and stop this. One of the most important things is to keep him cool as his body temperature will rise dramatically during prolonged seizures and to prevent further injury. You should try to get the cluster under control to minimise damage. We actually give valium orally and or rectally to stop the cluster. The valium is only administered at the time of the seizure activity. The brain damage will occur only if the seizure is prolonged as he will not breathe during parts of the seizure. That is exactly what Monte does. I actually try to nurse Monte as much as I can in between the seizures to stop him walking into things and to allow his body temp to drop (no activity also helps drop their temp). This phase is called post ictal (although with clusters, he may not be coming out of the seizure entirely and so it still could be part of the seizure). Some dogs can be post ictal for up to 24 hours, but most are like your dog. I am sure that a few brain cells are killed off with every seizure a dog has... but I am not so sure that many dogs suffer serious brain injury. It is the pressure on the heart and overheating that is more of an issue. My Monte has always been dumb... and I think he is a little dumber these days but he is still awfully cute. :cool: Thanks, we are happy with his recent health too. Good luck with your guy.

I don't have many left to pick up thanks to my Teddy Bear.....but the ones that for some reasons he doesn't eat I pick up with a grocery bag over my hand and I drop it into another grocery bag and then tie and toss it in the bin. Edited to add: I do it daily.

My Spaniels, you will find as you deal with your dogs epilepsy that seizures have no rhyme or reason. What you have experienced is called a cluster seizure. Some dogs are clusterers, others are not. Some dogs never have single seizures. Some dogs only have focal seizures. Some dogs may have a seizure every day for 6 months and then none for 6 months. Some dogs may have a rhythm of a seizure every 21 days for 3 years and then change to every 30 days. There is no rhyme or reason generally for seizures in most epileptics. In this case it is called idiopathic epilepsy. 'Idiotpathic' meaning it doesn't follow a sequence and 'epilepsy' meaning seizures of no known cause. I live with a dog that has idiopathic epilepsy and has clusters seizures. This year for the first time ever he is experiencing single seizures. He has only had 4 that we know of. It has been a great year so far. Up until January of this year, Monte's rythms changed regularly. He would have a cluster every 14 days. This would then alter to a cluster every 12 weeks, then it might go to a cluster every 4 weeks. There is nothing that sets him off. The rhythm he is in currently is easily manageable and I hope it remains this way. Your dog has started having seizures at the classic age. Most dogs diagnosed with epilepsy are between 18months - 3 years. The phenomav is 'phenobarbitaol' or Pb. If the Pb doesn't control his seizures adequately they can add another drug. The most common drug added is Potassium Bromide of Kbr. Sometimes both drugs are needed to control the conditions. Monte is on both Pb and Kbr. Without medication, the clusters could mean an ealry death. The heart is put under enormous pressure during a seizure. A cluster of seizures obviously adds to this. He needs to have his seizures controlled regardless of why they are occuring. There are many causes for seizures apart from epilepsy. Some Vets will recommend brain scans to check for abnormalities of the brain, there are also blood tests that can be performed, all of which can be expensive. I hope this info helps you.

You may be able to get just the two KC strains. I wouldn't do the entire lot again for fear of over vaccinating. Unless your dog is under risk I would wait for the 12 months and then do a C5.

Neither pup will be fully covered until after the second vaccination. Be careful when taking them out in public areas, avoid putting them on the ground where possible. KC is a virus. There are many strains of the virus. Vaccination will not cover every strain but it will lessen the degree of severity of the symptoms if your dog develops it. C3 only vaccinates against dist, parvo and hep. C4 includes parainfluensa (1 type of KC) and C5 includes the rest and bortadella (another type of KC).

My recommendation is a C5.

Is this the breeder that sold or gave you a puppy that was not vaccinated and not microchipped? Gee, I'd really be listening to what they have to say, not!

Why is your thread titled C3? I would request a C5 for your pup. Your pup is not adequately protected until after the second vaccination.

Shaving also cute the hair off blunt at the end so the hair appears thicker.

Live vaccine or killed?

But they would still lose their hair anyway?? The hair that they lose would be shorter though. I don't understand the thinking behind shaving a dog to stop hair loss......

I spoke with my MIL and she stated quite clearly that Tasha's hair has not changed one iota with her being clipped. It has not grown any thicker then it was and Tasha seems quite happy about having it shaved off. It certainly makes the task of grooming easier too.

I was just going to point that out too. My ex husband also had a theory about shaving a human baby's head to make it's hair grow thicker. I threatened him with divorce if he ever tried to shave our daughter's heads.

Not true. She gets it clipped in Spring/Summer and sometimes a second time during the warmer months. It grows back all through the colder months. Her coat is gorgeous. I will ask the MIL if she thinks it is grwoing back any thicker. She has done this for three years running now.

My MIL's BC gets clipped every few months. She looks just like an oversized puppy. It hasn't harmed her coat any and she certainly feels much better for it I think.

The only tinned food I will feed is Nature's Gift. I have been assured that this is the only tinned food that is close to being all natural and it contains a hig proportion of real meat. A fellow Pug lover has actually apparently cisited the factory where it is canned and she vouches for it being real meat too. I did try the kibble but I prefer to stick with a low fat kibble and Nature's Gift do not have this range.

There are many strains of the kc virus. Just like the human flu vaccine, the chances of developing the virus are not eradicated with vaccination. The severity of the symptoms are however reduced, regardless of the strain, if the dog is vaccinated. All rescuers and foster carers should have their dogs vaccinated against kc. Edited to add: And just like the human flu, it can be deadly for the young, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. I would still vaccinate. ;)

Yes, I know it can be persistent. The query though was on the fact that it 'migrated' from upper layers of skin to layers further down. I have never heard of a demodectic mite burrowing down to a layer where it can not be eradicated. Bad case of demodex, yes. A case that seems impossibe to control, maybe. Mites burrowing further down the epidermis layers of the skin... I am not certain of. ;)

Only your Vet can really determine what is causing the seizures. I would say that, in my opinion, it is not epilepsy though and I would be speaking with my Vet about the possible causes of the siezures. You also should look at the fact that at 12 years of age, she doesn't have a lot of time left and if the valium controls the seizures and she is happy, this might be better then putting her through a lot of invasive tests to determine an exact cause.