~Anne~

Please make note that disefectant will not kill the parvo virus. The only products that will is bleach and the commercially available ones such as F10.

I wouldn't think that Keppra was a new drug. It may be new in Australia but has been in the US for many years that I am aware of. A saving of $10 per week equates to $520 a year. As your dog normally only has single seizures this may be why he hasn't prescribed valium as well?? Valium only has a short shelf life.

Thank you so much for the information. My restriction will still be hours. I leave home at 6.45am and am not home untill 5.30 - 6 pm. Some nights even later but my daughter and husband take up the slack where they can. The price is quite high! Wow. I would be bargaining with your vet even more and ask for it at wholesale price. If not, you can possibly purchase it cheaper direct from the US perhaps?? I regularly give Monte valium. We give orally and rectally. Monte never has single seizures (although he did for the first time last year!) but instead, will have 5 or 6 straight after the other over a 60 minute period. To prevent status (non-stop convulsing) we administer valium in an attempt to stop the cluster. It always works. When we are out of valium, we dose him up on more pheno.

Thanks Katty, I would really appreciate you running me through the pros and cons. My neurologist suggested it but then we realised it had to be given three times a day, and as I work it is impossible for me to stick with an 8 hour ritual... the 12 hours with pheno is often hard enough.

Hi, Sorry to hear about your dog's liver. I would like to add that your vet seems to have been very re-miss in not regularly testing your dog while he was on phenobarbitol for liver function. All epileptic dogs should have their pheno and bromide levels tested regularly as well. I also have an epileptic dog. We have not yet had any problems with his liver. Monte is also on pheno and bromide therapy. Can I suggest that you peruse these site for advice on diet. Canine Epilepsy and Canine Epilepsy Guardian Angels Also can you tell me how you find the keppra? I have often considered it. Have you noticed a reduction in seizures? How long has he been on the keppra?

Apologies - OT.... Nat, Noah is a cutie! Congratulations!

Any news CaseyKay?? Monte is back to having clusters on a 10 day cycle. Last night he was twitching as well. We may need to up his meds again but I am really hesitant about this after his bromide toxicity saga. This condition can be such a vexing thing! ;)

I use Sentinel and haven't had the need yet for Capstar even with rescues coming and going. Midol, did you get a new dog?

No, I haven't used it as yet Bec. I have read where lots of people are giving it... but in my view, while they are saying it helps, their dogs are usually still having seizures. I haven't heard anyone say yet they they have noticed a marked difference and that it is definitely due to the milk thistle. I guess the same could be said for the fish oil that I give Monte. But at least with this I can see that it is helping his coat if nothing else. All of my guys are on fish oil and the cat as well and their coats are great! There are always so many suggestions and ideas.... it seems the US are changing the drug protocl too. They now say that dogs should be put on Kbr as first choice and not Pb as we still do in Australia. They have also started to use another drug over there... but I can't recall the name.

Lacey, it is great to hear how well everything is going! Caseykay - any news? I have joined another forum that is specifically for canine epilepsy and, hoping that Troy doesn't mind, I am posting a link here. The forum is moderated by specialists in canine epilepsy and I am sure it will be of help to those with epileptic dogs. Canine Epilepsy Network Forum

I am sorry to hear that Caseykay. I hope they can find to what it is and that it is nothing serious. *hugs* for you and your guys.

I am so sorry. How heartbreaking for you when you tried so hard for her.

I can understand your thoughts on fluids being given sub- cuteaneously as opposed to intravenous but IV is a far more efficient way to re-hydrate. I can't imagine there is any relevance at all to the other pups living just becuase the fluids was injected under the skin quite truthfully. I hope your little one continues to hang on.

To clear a few misconceptions; The Pyohex will not kill the mites. Pyhoex is only to treat the skin externally. It is an antibacterial type wash. It is vitally important you speak with your vet about the Ivermectin treatment. Pyohex will not kill the mites and they can, and will, spread. Diet will NOT give a dog demodex. A poor diet will not help a dog, or the health of a dog in general, but it will NOT give a dog demodex. There is NOTHING you have done to give the dog demodex. There is, however, a good possibility that the pup was prone to develop the condition due to its genetic heritage. Most dogs have demodectic mites on them. The problem only occurs when the dogs immune system fails to keep the mites under control and they multiply rapidly. The immune problem is considered to be genetically linked as there are obvious links with this condition but, ultimately, the genetic link has not been proven beyond doubt. How old was your dog when you first noticed the condition? Most often, it begins to appear around the 6 - 12 week mark with just a few spots around the eyes/muzzle or facial area in general. If left untreated it has the tendency to spread. It can eventually spread across the whole body like this; (Edited to add: Having a look at the pics you have posted here, it appears that it is only localised demodex??)

The 70% success is related to the re-currence of the condition, not this particular occurrence. Sadly, demodex usually returns throughout the dog's life. Demodex is thought to be passed on from the mother. Vets will advise that anyone with bitches producing pups with demodex be desexed. I would think that if your breeder was an ethical breeder she would trace other pups from this particular bitch to see if any of them showed signs of demodex. Hopefully she is doing just this and if the results come back positive, that she desexes the bitch. To be fair to the breeder, if she is doing all she can to determine if any of the other litters showed demodex, and if your pup is the first one that she was made aware of, then I would not be looking to pursue the matter any further. If she continues to breed with the bitch or there is evidence of other litters having demodex and she was aware of it then I would take further action against her. If she is vomitting then I would immediately cease treatment and refer her to your vet. They may need to adjust her dose or alter her medication. Vomitting is a symptom of a reaction to the ivermectin. Ivermectin can be deadly. Exercise EXTREME CAUTION when using it. Be prepared to battle demodex for the life of your Pug. It might be best, if your finances allow it, to seek the advice of a veterinary skin specialist. If you are in NSW I can refer you to someone who has recently treated a rescue of mine that was re-homed. Bubbles, the rescue Pug, was a mess with demodex and it has re-curred since she was re-homed. SHe reacted badly to the ivermectin the second time round and so an appointment was made with a skin specialist. Her treatmemt was altered and they had amazing and fast results second time round.

Yes, I would agree with this. I have stopped buying my mince from Woolies as I am tired of them overcharging. One of the first things I noticed was that the meat I buy from the butchers goes discoloured within a day or two but the meat from Woolies remains pink until I have finished it or it goes off.

A report in the paper this morning shows that a dangerous chemical, that can lead to health problems in pets, is commonly found in dog meat. Article in Daily Telegraph (Sydney) I always only buy meat from the butchers meant for humans for this very reason. Preservatives in meat can kill. [edited to add quoted article]

What is 'puppy paradise'? It sounds like a pet shop.

Maybe a dumb question but can I ask why you gave him a cough supressant? If anything he would need an antihistamine. Does Bendaryl now contain an antihistamine?? Truthfully, looking at that swelling I would have him to the Vet now.

How sad. I hope Ellie is ok.

I feel the same way. My knowledge just keeps growing. DOL has to be one of the best dog resources EVER!

I found the thread! Seizures caused by deoderant I think you will find this very interesting CaseyKay! I suggest you pm TangerineDream.

OMG, how scary for you. What flea/heartworm control do you use? Have you changed this at all? Could it possibly be something she is absorbing through her skin? Some time ago, here on DOL, someone reported their dog having seizures and ebing very sick and it turned out it was her deoderant (or it could have been hair spray??). The dog would sit with her while she was getting dressed.

I had to dig this thread up to say - THIS PRODUCT IS BRILLIANT!!! I purchased some on Janba's advice here and I tried it on the weekend and washed down all of my porch and pavers. I was concerned thinking that the smell of the citronella would be a bit yukko but it wasn't. The whole yard smelled fresh and clean and the flies, although they hovered, did not want to land anywhere. I only used about 30 ml in a large bucket of hot water and used a soft broom to 'scrub' the pavers with. No rinsing. I thoroughly recommend this stuff. I ordered it and it was delivered the next day too so it is great service as well! It wasn't overpowering (I would describe the scent as fresh actually) and my dogs didn't seem to mind it. They havn't urinated yet where I used it either but this could be coincidental.

Thin and clear is good. I tis whatthe body produces to 'glue' itself back together. Discourage her from licking.