tazmadman

what about the attacks on the club ???????? does that not matter

With the 'method' for the "food refusal" component of training, where the instructor slaps the dog on the face/muzzle if it reaches for the food that is offered, how do you ensure that the dog is pairing that punishment with the fact that it reached for the food, and not pairing it with the fact that a 'stranger' approached it? Ms Faye - is this not a 'method' used at the Club in question? If it is, I'm still puzzled at the reasoning behind the creation of the 'method'. Do you agree with it? Still no response to the above by either Ms Faye or Tazmadman? By accusing the OP of being a liar, are you saying that the above description of training for food refusal did not and does not happen? Are you saying that the GSD who failed to recall, who was known to fail its recalls but still permitted off lead (apparently - feel free to correct this point as well), was not reprimanded in any way after its return? Are you saying the OP lied about that? READ THE POST that did not happen at our club dont you read things this is stupid and i refuse to get into it take it up with the club that it happened at this is exactly what i mean you dont read whats posted the problem is people forget the previos posts post 1 had nothing to do with us the post i am annoyed it is post 6 dont you read

Wow. I would hate to be part of a club that personally attacks a member on a public forum when the criticise the club. REgardless of the truth of Miss Squish's claims, you are getting very personal. Please name the club so we all know who to steer clear of. You could have come here, introduced yourself (you've just joined after all) and given another prespective, a run down of facts. Re: taking action because of the "lie", Miss Squish never mentioned that club name, no one has been defamed. Your posts, together with Ms Faye, are the ones that have really put the club's name at risk. As for statutory declarations, do you honestly think that people will be 100% open with you when the read the attacks launched on someone for giving a different perspective? And PM's are Private Messages, they aren't public. She can say whatever she wants in them. No need to bring them up here. WTF this is stupid if a pm will show the truth i will post it how ridiculas i have already contacted many in the class and no one saw anything wrong and are happy to stand by there word we have not attacked her but have a right to defend what is not true think about what you say before posting again if you wernt there how can you have a opinion as you dont know

i will agree with you on that point i think you would agree this should have been taken to the club or whatever orginisation they attend not aired in a public forum people who sit there and say oh you joined just to post here for sure i did even if she didnt name a club she has by pms to people and we do have a right of reply but as i have said before if you were not there you shouldnt comment as for her first post i have no knowledge of the clubs she talks of or how long ago it was but thats nothing to do with me

you dont get it there was no mistreating of a dog in class how many times do you need to be told it was a lie which she herself posted what she said was not exactly true no there is no need for me to explain as there has been nothing wrong done end of story @@huski yes i am refering to you you were not there you heard it second hand and you posted rubbish to deliberatly fuel the fire and it does not allow the truth to come out im over it this has gone to the dogs you lot obviosly dont read the posts properly there was no mistreating of a dog in class for gods sake there was 20 people in that class and the only one who has said anything is the original poster who then stated it was not that bad ?????? and everyone here has blown it out of proportion it is finished here as far as i am concerned you all can go make this a 50 page sped all going on about something you didnt witness if the person complaining has a problem she can take it up with the club goodby

Me too. If I were in the area I too would be prompted to investigate further so I could avoid attending that club, not because of the OP's story, but simply because of the attitude shown by the trainers who have posted so far. have no fear it will be investigated but remember there are always 2 sides to the story and we do have a right of reply and i am not surprised the way posts have been put up you will notice 99% of the rubbish put up here are from people who wernt there and have no idear of what happened they are only going on a few posts from a disgruntled member who has admitted she may have exagerated what she said im not waisting my time here arguing something that no one here has the full story and it is becoming a childish slinging match

you heard privatly you wernt there so you are posting something that do dont know is true what crap you wernt there so dont give a opinion if anyone was there on the night and saw it come to the office on wed night if you didnt see it with your own eyes dont give your opinion then they say oh i am hostile i wonder why as i said if you didnt see it im not interested if you were there send me a pm and ill tell you how to contact me to discuss it

this is the post which has got me very angry im not interested in her first post or anything else she has to say or any of the wanna be experts here who all seem to jump on the band wagon when they don’t know the facts and are not looking at what is posted i think i have heard enough of this rubbish ! the person starting the thread has had problems with instructors at that club and has done for a while the club has dedicated many hours of one on one help for her and has never pushed her away as for being clicky what rubbish we welcome anyone into that club and if she regularly sits on the side lines not joining in conversations we cant grab her hand and help you have to help yourself i have been a active member at that club for many years and we very rarely get complaints (every club will have some unhappy members for one reason or another) all the instructors that know her are reading this but have no intension of getting into a childish argument over training methods but are very disappointed that she has said this the question is not of training methods and yes we train to a very high standard and our instructors do a very good job but of CRULETY as the allegation has been made im not interested in what everyone here thinks the best way to train a dog is im concerned that in the post she made above is a LIE and by here own admission in pms to another member she sated it may not have exactly happed as was posted by her i can tell you now the instructor concerned is a very highly regarded senior instructor in our club and respected in the obedience community in the state and who would NEVER do that and if he caught someone doing it would be asked to leave he is furious and is considering taking this further to clear his name as for being clicky and banding together of course we will band together when a lie has been told people should only comment about the situation if they were there on the night and yes i was and i will be speaking to the class to get statutory declarations of what happened on the night Everyone here can sit at there keyboard and type what they want i will not respond to dumb questions but you must realise when a statement like that is made in a public forum and it is proven to be untrue and the post writer has named the club in private mails to people canning us and i am informed the post was here by another club that is horrified that it was put on here we will not sit back and let it happen this will be taken up at the next committee meeting i can assure you and from what i here legal action may result unless a apology for that post is not forth coming we are not interested in the first post as it doesn’t concern us @Jacks Buddy i dont think that poster is getting snippy and rude it doesnt matter how long you have been here posts here dont give you priority but they have a right to state when a lie has been told and when as i said before if you wernt there you dont know the facts so you dont have a right to comment as for people complaing about msfayes attitude remember she was in that class and saw it all you lot were not and if i was her i would be very angy she has a right to dfent what happened in that class when there are lies told