GoldenGirl85

I got a mixed reaction Tess didn't care, Lexi sat there looking at the computer doing some very cute head tilting...and Jackson? well he went running to the window on the other side of the room where he can usually hear the neighbours dog barking :laugh:

I would not be getting involved in this. If you do talk to your parents and do get the dog desexed you could be creating a much worse issue. The only person that can desex the dog or arrange a rehome would be the legal owner. Perhaps get the dog signed over to your parents first. but don't do anything until the dog is in either yours or your parents name. Frustrating as it may be but do you really what to be accused of theft (if you rehome). Not too sure what you would be guilty of if you desex a dog that is not legally yours. Either way it could create a massive disruption to your family. Possession is not 9/10ths of the law by the way. If you happen to be renting a property and leave stuff behind when you move out, the landlord can't just get rid of your stuff even though it is in their possession. Even though the property can be deemed as abandoned. as for ownership your brother really only has to provide evidence of ownership in a court of law. This can be vets Vaccination papers. If your brother can provide these then you do not have any legal standing in what happens to the dog. This could be very messy with no real winners. Best thing would be for your parents to put their foot down and make him collect the dog. Or get it signed over to them. I agree with this 100% I remember a thread a few months back, a girl saying her flatmate had allowed her byb Lab to get out while on heat, had no money for vet bills etc... a few people said to go and get her desexed and they were flamed because she wasn't the OPs dog...yet here it's a different story

Looks like its a dog not a bitch, so he won't have any vet bills to worry about....he is just looking at the stud fee

My other dogs have always been like this too, plates are a big no-no, as are benches, cups etc etc...this new one? lord its like he is never going to learn, he found a tupperware container with a tiny bit of tupperware in the backpack I've been taking to work...the other day I lost an apple out of my handbag! ETA...I saved the tupperware (thank god lol)

Deals direct often have them, not sure on price though I've never really looked into them

Oooh good idea, our latest is a bench surfer, little bugger also rummages through my handbag for left over lunch! might have to invest in some of those little grey traps to stop him

My girls names only get lengthened Tess - Tess Tess, Tessa, Tessarose Lexi - Lexi Lou, miss Lexi, Lou Lou, Lex Jackson - Jacko, Wacko They all answer to them

Smisch rents, which makes it hard, thats one reason why I have so much trouble keeping Tess in, if I owned my own place the fence would be dug a foot into the ground!

Oh that makes sense now, I understood that there was 2 genes from Mirawee said, but I didn't understand how they work together...now I know lol So is this possible, homozygous black bitch, if bred to yellow, can she produce yellow pups? I think... yes... if she is a Homozygous (black) bitch she can still carry yellow so she'd be EeBB. if she's mated to a yellow (ee) she could produce yellow pups but she would not be able to produce liver pups. If she was a heterozygous (EeBb) black bitch, depending on the yellow sire, she could produce choc and yellow (if the sire was a yellow with heterozygous black gene) I think... lol But if she carried yellow, would that mean that she is NOT homozygous? The reason for the question is I went to the Guide Dogs QLD open day, and they brought out one of their black breeding bitches, and her 8 black puppies, and they were saying that because she is 'dominant black' which I understood as laymans for homozygous black, then regardless of what colour she is bred to, she will only ever produce black...so obviously she doesn't carry yellow, but if bred to a yellow, her pups could carry yellow...and possibly chocolate yes?

I thought those three genes were easy, its the greying and dilute genes that get confusing...but after looking at horse colour genes for a few years now I have a fair understanding of it...I just need to get my book out to reference to sometimes lol

Oh that makes sense now, I understood that there was 2 genes from Mirawee said, but I didn't understand how they work together...now I know lol So is this possible, homozygous black bitch, if bred to yellow, can she produce yellow pups?

To my knowledge, no. They have liver pigment. Ok, so a NBP yellow, are they liver pigmented? or no pigment?

So does a choc ever have black pigment?

Yes I just checked my (human) anatomy and physiology text book and there is no reference to sensory homeostasis

I cannot say you are "wrong", I don't know enough myself. All I can say is black is not a gene that is CARRIED, sort of like it is there by default and the other genes play a matchmaking game of masking that gene, or not. That other site HERE explains how what each parent passes on can produce the black. If you ask me to put it in plain English, well, I can't Edit to highlight a sentence I wrote, I think the lightbulb finally went off for myself as to how the blacks come about of course I could be wrong, but it made sense in my head! :p Im just wondering if Gibbs could technically only carry choc and yellow , so therefore with what you are saying he wouldnt carry black at all but he could produce black coz they all carry black?? Very frikken confusing!! Nothing technical about it, he can't carry black, I'm starting to get it, I'm still not sure how black comes out of a pigmented dog, with black being dominant it can't be carried, a dominant gene WILL be expressed

what do you man by black pigment? is that black skin and nose?

This is doing my head in....where is the black coming from!!! lol I think I'm going to stop here before my head explodes, I've got an anatomy exam to prepare for, and learning lab colour genetics won't help me pass lol

homeostasis is the maintenance of the internal environment...where did you hear it?

They can carry the choc gene. But if you mate 2 yellows together, regardless of what they carry, you will always only get yellow pups. I don't see how that is possible, if mating two yellows is guaranteed yellow, then it must be recessive...if they can carry chocolate, and mating two yellows that both carry chocolate, then there would still be a chance of chocolate pups You would think - but not. Check this out link Breeding 2 yellows, will always breed yellows. The only thing that varies is the recessive, which is dependent on the partents. I think it is all very interesting. :D Very interesting...however it doesn't give an explanation for the example MG gave of her pup...choc mum and yellow dad, yet most of the litter was black

They can carry the choc gene. But if you mate 2 yellows together, regardless of what they carry, you will always only get yellow pups. I don't see how that is possible, if mating two yellows is guaranteed yellow, then it must be recessive...if they can carry chocolate, and mating two yellows that both carry chocolate, then there would still be a chance of chocolate pups

Sorry MG, but you post totally confused me Your yellow boy has a choc mum, and yellow dad...from my understanding yellow is recessive, so they can't 'carry' another gene, they're homozygous for yellow, mum is chocolate, but can carry yellow yes, but with black being dominant it can't be a carried trait, if a dominant trait is there then it must expressed...from what I can see, mum is heterozygous for chocolate/yellow...so where does the black come from? Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm probably using the wrong alleles here but I don't care) y-yellow c-chocolate B-black Dad=yy Mum=Cy So the possibilities for puppies are Cy, Cy, yC, yy, or in other words, 25% chance of a yellow pup, and 75% chance of heterozygous chocolate pups (carries a yellow gene) From a heterozygous chocolate mum, the only way to get black puppies is for dad to be heterozygous black (By) so he carries a yellow gene, this gives a 25% chance of either yellow or heterozygous chocolate, and 50% chance of heterozygous black (BC, Cy, By, yy) Bring on the biology class Kylie lol :p you now have effectively confused the crap outa me.. This is why whenever I look at colours I just look in the lines and go well he was black and he had orange and purple parents lol so possibility of duh... That's my theory and I'm sticking to it lol :p don't tell me otherwise *raises right hand* Hi, I'm Kylie and I'm a genetics geek

Yes, that is what MG said, but there was black puppies, I'm wondering where the black gene came from, because as someone said in this thread, its dominant, so it can't be carried by any colour other than black

Sorry MG, but you post totally confused me Your yellow boy has a choc mum, and yellow dad...from my understanding yellow is recessive, so they can't 'carry' another gene, they're homozygous for yellow, mum is chocolate, but can carry yellow yes, but with black being dominant it can't be a carried trait, if a dominant trait is there then it must expressed...from what I can see, mum is heterozygous for chocolate/yellow...so where does the black come from? Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm probably using the wrong alleles here but I don't care) y-yellow c-chocolate B-black Dad=yy Mum=Cy So the possibilities for puppies are Cy, Cy, yC, yy, or in other words, 25% chance of a yellow pup, and 75% chance of heterozygous chocolate pups (carries a yellow gene) From a heterozygous chocolate mum, the only way to get black puppies is for dad to be heterozygous black (By) so he carries a yellow gene, this gives a 25% chance of either yellow or heterozygous chocolate, and 50% chance of heterozygous black (BC, Cy, By, yy)

After looking at the website I'm thinking scam....too much information....and the no refund conditions under any circumstances....not so sure on that

Does sound steep 8 months not weeks?? Chocolate isn't 'rare' persae, is it? Age shouldn't matter, $3500 for a Lab is ridiculous! $1000-$1200 I would think Chocolate is about as rare as blue staffords, they're not popular in the show ring, so they don't tend to get bred for that reason, but then they became the craze I wouldn't sell an 8 months old Cavalier for the same price as an 8 week old puppy. Chocolate labs still seem to be popular as pets, I see heaps. How many blue staffords do you see? ;) Would you triple the price on an 8 month old pup?