MonElite

Shall I be changing the title of the thread Kavik to - "Paranoid owner of a dog that doesnt like man seeking some advice?"

Are you saying Kavik that Im a worry wart for no reason?

1. not only appreance matters 2. I never said I will breed her 3. if I will it will be a very long and very thought out process nad the sire will have to meet countless criteria. 4. I dont think her nerves are THAT weak, she goes into drive pretty much everywhere in pretty much every circumstance 5. Dobermanns meant to be aloof with strangers, yes its a requirement in the ring that they are to be examined etc however a dog of a labrador nature will do better in the ring rather than that one of a aloof doberman trait 6. She comes from good breeding proven stock both parents are champions, dam is BIS winner I know all parents and grandparents, several of the siblings, aunties and uncles. 7. Some people show for the pleasure of showing, gettng social with other people and having good time while watching beautiful animals move around. Some like a challenge - I guess Im one of them. You have seen her twice, did she strike you as a dog with weak nerves on both occasions? Sure can, from a perspective of a pet buyer its somewhat desired. She is an excellent guard dog and the fact that she wont let people wipe their hands on her is exactly what a purchser of a dobe might want. Dobermanns are known for their "stand-offishenss", for their mistrust of strangers, they are know to be one man's dog. They originated as a dog to bring the man down and it wasnt by licking him.

Maybe she isnt......... She is a bit "hysterical" at times, that is when happy or unhappy. Kinda nutcase at times. Oh well if that means Ill be showing her under female judges only - so be it. Adieu Royal show and Dobe specialty this year, we have male judges. What she likes? - to chase a ball, to chase birds, look me in the eyes, play with Rex or more annoy him, carry things in her mouth - all the time, retrieve, do 10-15 minutes of obiedience with me as soon as in the park and off lead, bark at anyone that dares to walk on my street, catch flies and bugs, follow me everywhere I go.

Dont think so Lablover, but I have to say that I recently get a bit more nervous when Im to intro her to a male. Especially a male that I dont know. I had no probs with Kaviks OH. But Ill take on board your suggestion. Thank you for suggesting it.

one more question cowanbree - when you were trying to train her and got the man to feed her and than stood her for them to examine her, was she happy about being examined or did the tail go down and she was all like "I hate it?" Divani seemed to be quite happy last night about Kaviks OH examining her, she stood there all big with tail up and taking food from my hand. Yes her eyes went back to check what he was doing but she didnt move, when he was finished she raided his pockets again, jumped on him playfully and wanted to give him kisses. The reason why Im asking is that I think that perhaps you pushed her to far to quick, something that I dont do. As to a professional trainer - well the one Id like to help isnt going to help. Also last night there was a football training on the same grounds as our dog training - lots of BIG man yelling and punching each other. Divani at some stage thoguht that that fighting is great fun and wanted to join them Than the whole group of guys (about 100 of them) finished and walked towards the club house so I stood right in the middle of the flood of huge man and she had no probs with it. But they were not touching her.........

How would that cement her fear? If man were not threatening and providing food why did she associate them with bad experiences considering nothing happened? Can someone explain this to me pls, becouse tonight this is exactly what I have done, got few man to feed her and just be near. Than with Kaviks OH we did a bit more and at the end she let him do a full stand for exam on loose lead and didnt flinch one little bit. She has never met him before. How can a fear compound if nothing happends? How long before hormones settle? my girl has just finished her first season. Kavik pls thank Ben again for me, he was very helpfull.

Ill be happy to help you Kavik. I wont do the long heeling paterns, she gets too bored with them. I want to practice stand for exam, recall and stays. Tell him Ill bring him some chocolates as a thank you. After all if he will be bribing my dog I can bribe him :nahnah: Poodlefan I am seriously considering filming it.

poodlefan - yes at least I dont have any probs asking for help Might have to get some mosquito repellant out and spray myself tip to toe tonight, otherwise Ill get eaten alive my bugs :nahnah: Seriously - I have always given food to the guys and she would go to the person take the food and be happy but wouldnt let them touch her. If she took the food and I made the person hide the food in the pockets she would raid the pocket and avoid petting. She just doesnt like people wipeing their dirty hands in her fur. Kavik - may I ask you to warm him up to the idea of helping someone? :p

Thanks poodlefan, Ill try tonight with a male if Ill find one to help me. Why cant she do for me all the time?I mean she was a bit worried there for a sec as well and looked at the person, but I wouldnt want anything more than this sort of behaviour. This video was taken some months ago btw.

As I said - I have on purpose entered only shows with female judges, I dont want her to go in the ring and have a bad exerience. Im off to the club now weekly, unfortunatelly like at any dog sport there are 90% females there, but hopefully Kaviks OH will be there tonight :nahnah: (will he Kavik?) and we can get him to help out. Im not rushing her at all, we have plenty of time. Im perhaps asking how far should my "help" in making a decision be. Lets say she is on lead and goes behind me, do I get her to heel or just let her sit there until she decides she wants to investigate the person?

Ill also add that she has just had her first season and has now finished. She was a lot worse when on heat.

Thanks cowanbree - Im unable to talk to K9 but Ill be carefull as not to push her to far and not to create what you have. That is very sad and I certainly dont want that to happen. How did you force her? How did it go from bad to worse to shocking?

At the last show I got about 10 females to examine her than I went to a male and of course she wouldnt let the guy pet her. I stood with her next to him or a while and she let him pet her later. This is what I mean, she is OK with time. The problem is I DONT have time in the ring. so I guess the questions is - do I stand her hold her tight and force her to accept the petting? Or is that a bad idea?

We have no problems with man she has met before (including FD - in fact she loves him and cant get enough of him) My OH has darkish hair. She isnt really happy about big clothing and hats. I went for a walk along Brighton beach a while ago and there was an arabic woman wearing full burka and Divani cetainly didnt like that outfit. Setting up scenarios with friends would possibly reinforce to her that man are ok, but the problem is with people she doesnt know. She is happy to sit on friends lap, she gets petted by my friends she licks their faces and acts normal with those she met and realised they are OK. Last night I went for a walk on the golf course and there is couple of guys that play often there and I had seen few times before. She run towards one of them herself and was very happy to meet him, but wouldnt let him touch her. Id say she has seen him (just seen and was in close proximity) before maybe 3 times. I gave him food to give to her, which she happily took and let him pet her head, but nothing beyond. It was her own decision. A big man in a black suit wearing a hat in the show ring and I might as well go straight home. In fact I had for now only entered shows that have female judges.

I had a fancy dress party at my house on weekend and there was a man dressed up as a nun that she barked at and carried on for ages. Eventually she realised that he is no threat, actually quite friendly and was all over him, but that took half an hour or so and few pieces of ham. I dont push her in normal life interactions and she makes her own decisions about going towards people. But it isnt a luxury I have in the show ring.

As many regulars here know I have my 10 month old dobie puppy Divani. She is a joy, great puppy, very smart and for a young pet very obiedient. She is also aloof with strangers (I guess as a dobermann should be) but there is one prob with her - she really doesnt like man. She is a show dog and obviously this is a big problem for me, as she wont let males touch her. Head is OK, but anything pass the neck as a no go zone. I dont have this problem with females at all, been to few shows recently and went in the ring she stood for me nicely, let the female judge examine her on a free standing with no probs what so ever. I was for a while wondering why is that, as there is more man coming to my house than woman and she loves those she knows. With new man it takes her a while to check them out but once she is confident she isnt going to be hurt she goes up herslef and than is friends for ever. Last week I took her for a walk and left the Rex behind in the yard. He could see us in the distance and barked and whinged a lot and I have over heard my neighbour yelling at Rex, way over the top. He was trying to call Rex (Rex likes the neighbour) and I think Rex went to him but the yelling continued despite Rex wasnt barking any more. so I came to a conclusion that the neighbour treats the girl the same way when she barks. And of course from what I have noticed she hates him..... As I live next door to a golf course the side and the back of my property back on to two greens on the goolf course and there are heaps of people walking by all day every day. Divani doesnt bark at them often however she occasionally will, so I guess the neighbour gets upset about that and possibly yells at her, who knows maybe throws something at her. So I guess he is somehow contibuting to my problem. And where I know how to overcome the prob in life and I have sucessfully done so repeatedly, in the show ring I have the whole 10 seconds to stack her and the judge comes along to examine her. There is no time for me to give food to the judge, for her to take her time etc. How do I overcome the issue? I can force her into position and get guys to go over her repeatedly, but of course she looks as if she is being killed, confidence is gone and for the show ring that is a no go. To keep her confidence and happyness she needs time and she needs to work out herself that a particular man isnt there to hurt her, the luxury of time I dont have in the ring. Any input welcome. - training wise of course. neighbour and a lot higher fencing - Illl deal with it in due course. I might add that the neighbour has a small fluffy that yapps all day long. I will also add that I have a good relationship with the neigbours. I ahvent spoken to him about it as yet as Im too upset and I thnk Id loose the calm when talking about the issue.

2 every day, once a day, each dog separatelly. If I go with both I dont train as in formal training. no, I still preffer to train with my male, he knows more and Im more tuned in with him, can predict him a lot better 7yo male, 10 month old female. The male is retired from everythying other than playing with me if I had stopped working it would be a lot better both are dobermanns

I should be Myszka - Southern - HB-I, DB, DP

Why bother with a park when we can jsut gate crash at Mavericks place?

I have acess to an A frame, sea saw, a walk, but they are all VERY heavy and Id not only need my husbands van to transport it but couple of strong man to put it up. All that gear is at my friends place. Alternativelly I might try to talk the chief instructor of my club to lend me the keys to my clubs shed where except the tunnel we have everything. But that is a mission almost impossible

shek - how do you feed him, how does he eat, how often, what. Any feeding info pls.

I find it hard to belive that the dog wont eat for a week and not be hungry, thats all. My dog with slightly low thyroid often refuses to eat and has always been on the skinny side. But if he doenst eat for 3 days on the 4th day he aint so fussy So what does Daegon get excited about?

Why do I find this hard to belive? 3-4 days of no food, he must get hungry........ have you actually tried not feeding him for few days? If what you say is true than Id do some health tests on him to see if there is nothing wrong with him. Is he low thyroid? What does he get excited about, that relates to you (not other dogs)?

Why dont you try not giving him his dinner one day and training the next day with something he really likes. When I train my puppy my older dog screems the house down he wants to join so much. yesterday when I took the older dog for a walk and some trainig the puppy broke the gate trying to get to us. When I train the puppy the older dog does all excercises despite he isnt asked to do them.