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I dont have it here, but I promise a photograph of my dog in prAy LOL drive, just have to scan it.

No DEAR you didnt corect me on THAT spelling! You corrected me on the spelling of distrUction. this is too funny I have stoped correcting people on spelling my nickname loooong ago Denis

let me guess the guy with the gun is in trouble ;)

You meant pray drive, didnt you? All dogs have different drives. We concentrated here on pray, but drive (whatever it might be) can be satisfied in any dog, just what drive are you going to satisfy.

Yes, you need to find out what motivates your dog. My recent experience - bunny!

Yes it can be, most definitely. But at least with a high drive dog you have the drive there already to work with and shape. Lowering a drive to a workable level can be just as hard as bringing one up. Overly driven dogs (whatever the drive) require just as much work, only different methods.

my identity has been revealed..... Espinay if you will put a deposit for the 9.7 seminar today I am prepared to take you on to one of Steves seminar. He requested 10 people but since I have got contacts ;) I can presuade him to have 11 in that particular group. I wonder what kind of a bribe will he request this time.... running out of recepies here As to dogs looking good - Rex has never looked better

A dog with very high drives is certainly a challenge! It makes them very hyperactive, destructive and they dont take no for an answer. It is the naughtly dogs that get dumped, naughty dogs usually have high drives.....

hahahaha - this were my words a while ago. My dog has no food drive and little pray drive. Well so I thought, obviously I have not found an appropriate pray item..... until bunny

Tess - so yes, I have read the body language of the rabbit corectly, he will bunch up in a ball with ears back sort of shut down when I take it out of the enclosure he is in and place it somewhere. After couple of minutes he starts walking around exploring, walking on me while Im sitting, might eat somethig if given etc. hops around on the lounge from one side to another, crossing whoevers laps in order to get to the other side. I dont know how it sleeps, it is in a separate room.

Never tried, but its a good idea. And to preampt - if I do it will not be THIS bunnies skin. What I might try for now is to place a fluffy toy with the rabbit for a day or so so it smells like it.

Tess - yes its a controlled environment, he is not in the position to lunge. No, I dont know the signs of stress in a rabbit, the only two main differeces I can see it the ears back close to the body, not moving (not comfortable about the situation). The other is a happy rabbit moving around, looking around, ears up, stand on hind legs to check out the environment. In fact it goes to the dog by itself. Should there be something else specific that I should be looking for? The only danger that this rabbit is that I will fall in love with it and refuse to give it back to its owners.

For some reason, unknown to me, but maybe K9 will know my dog gets into pray drive when I pick the bunny up and carry it in my hands. So I get the bunny, walk around with it resting on my arm and enjoying itself (it likes it) while my dog is in the initialisation stage of pray drive where we get maximum learning capability. I give a comand, dog complies I let the dog snif the bunny, from under my arm. No rocket science and no harm or stress to the bunny. I have put this photo before in another subject, but I dont think that that will come anywhere near the "live baiting" you could clacify this as a down stay under distraction...

Back on pray drive. As some of you know I have this bunny in my house and I have been somewhat uncucessfully attempting to use the bunny as a training tool. (Bunny is not but under stress) This morning I had the bunny on the floor and my dog lying in front of a heater not bothered. Bunny moved, dog got up - obviously initialising pray drive. Bunny stoped. Dog moved towards the bunny like a cat, slowly, tip toeing, starying at it etc. BTW most amazing to watch. He was attempting to make the bunny move (I think) but poor bugger got nothing. But what a great way for him to attempt to initialise something to move so that he could chase it. Buny didnt move. Dog got to it, poked it with his nose, licked his ears and returned to in front of the heater.

I got it, I think - the weak and strong handler bit. Well I took it as physically strong... Correct me if Im wrong please. Situation 1 Im in a small park talking to a neighbour not paying much attention to whats happening, his and my dog play having time of their live. Another dog goes by, my dog runs to check it out happends to be a male and "eats" it. Im a weak handler, he does it in rank. Situation 2 Dog on lead, I notice that he isnt happy and instead of walking away preventing the situation I attempt to push the limits of the dog, tell it to sit stay, tight leash. Another dog - again a male comes too close, my dog has no way of escaping (strong handler) and "eats" the other out of fear. Appart from several issues as a handler that I am guilty of, have I got the theory right?

No pray no fodd. Maybe PLAY?? and play might mean soemthing different to that dog than to lets say a boxer?

Okie dokie - I understand on lead, what happends off lead? no handler near. Talking theory here, not that my dog shouldnt be of lead in certain situations Oh and I just cant resist am I a strong or a weak handler ?

Steve - is it possible that the dog can be both rank and fear agressive? Depending on the other dog?

Join the club, mine does the same.

K9 - I think I need a lesson in timing. I think this is where MY problem is.

Still out of control and plain dangerous

How do you know he is not affraid? Not having a go at your comment, just asking how did you determine that he is doing it in rank drive? the reason I ask is becouse I repeatedly thought that my dog is rank agressive where K9 repeatedly tells me he is fear agressive. Since K9 is an expert and Im not I belive him. BTW regardless if your dog is fear or rank agressive he is dangerous.... unfortunatelly. Speaking from experience here.....

(K9 here we go... ) Are you attempting to loosely translate it that he ISNT ????? Carefull.... I might go into a big circle :strong: ;) You could say that..... Back to my dark hole.

If you were in control of the pray item - would there be a problem?

For my super smart dobe with low pray drive and no food drive, that would also be in vacinity of 10 max 15 repetitions. That is to learn the mechanics of an excercise. Not to be confused with training and proofing. About 6 months ago at the age of 5 yo I tought him a comand "touch" in about 3 minutes. IMHO. or better said, in my personal experience - to teach the dog an excercise its very easy, the difficult bit is to train it to perform the learned behaviour under distractions. than again..... 10 minutes of guided motions with Steve and his super smart GSD male and my super smart Dobe male wasnt "eating" him. Priceless!!!!