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http://www.collieclubofnsw.com/collie-rescue.asp Collie Club of NSW has a rescue section. Contact details given.

Yes yes yes! Think of it this way, if you're terrified at the dentist and a friend comes along to hold your hand would that make you more scared of the dentist or would it just comfort you in the moment? On a related note there's a reason why doctors give lollies to kids when they have their shots. It doesn't make them more fearful. PK, I'm only ashamed it took me so long to twig. While, at the same time, I'm a huge believer in being present for moral support for friends & family having scary procedures. I'm forever holding hands & having my hand held myself!!!!! Thank you for all those links I shall follow all up.

Apparently, this reaction affects very few dogs, but when you are that one . . . . . . I agree, DDD. That's the thing with stats. Might only be 1 out of a 100(or whatever) that cops a horrible side effect. But someone has to be that 1. And it's usually impossible to predict when the med is prescribed. Just have to wait & see how it goes. Your experience is a reminder to check against side effects, even the less common ones.

I think I might've stumbled onto corvus's point about being aware of arousal in dealing with my Annie's distress during thunderstorms. By trial & error, I finally ditched the advice not to reward her panting & shaking with attention. Now, at very first sign she's alerted to the rumbling, I pick her up, without fuss, put her on my knee & swaddle her in a cotton towel & just work on with what I'm doing. Firm hold on collar & just a gentle stroking. This stops her getting dramatically worked up... because then it seems to take a life of its own & be hard to stop. This way, she's a bit anxious but her arousal level doesn't go thro' the roof for the duration of the storm.

Thanks for the heads-up. It'd be a horrible experience to find out that a med prescribed for your dog, is doing something horrible as a side-effect. I'm glad it got sorted & there was an alternative medication.

Again... purebreds. Tibetan Spaniels, the little monastery dogs, come with reincarnation built in. The Dalai Lama says “A dog is more important than any other possessions. A dog has a soul and is an important member of the family". When each of the Lamas' dogs dies, it's reincarnated into another monastery dog, so they have lifetimes of being with their people. I've noticed something with the tibbies. When one tibbie dies, its family is devastated & they can't believe they can ever have another dog that could bond in the same special way. Then....like a miracle, along comes another tibbie needing a new home, just at the right time...& it already starts showing some of those unique features as the one that's died. It's happened so often that we've taken to saying that the one that's passed has arranged that this particular new one should come. An example. Neighbours about 4 months ago lost their beloved tibbie, Lily, to a sudden illness. Their hearts were broken, Lily was so bound up in their lives. They said....not now could they consider another one, maybe end of next year. Then couple weeks back, a registered breeder advised he had 3 adult tibbies for new homes. They'd been saved from a tragic fire which killed their breeder owner....4 months back. I gave the list to the neighbours. The husband went to look at the 3 tibbies. One firmly pushed his way thro' the crowd of purebred tibbies to sit at his feet. They adopted him..... & he settled in their home as if he'd lived there all his life. And instantly bonded. Again, it was if Lily arranged for him to come.

I love the photo of Buddy. He looks very proud of himself. And he has every right to be.

You said she'll walk fine when your cavalier comes along. I'd just keep taking the cavalier along. We had a tibbie girl who refused to walk, going on walks. She'd sit & turn into a block of concrete. When I'd bring the tibbie boy next door, who loved going for walks, she still wouldn't walk. The tibbie boy would even try to encourage her... he'd go back & lick her face. No move. Eventually he gave up, too. So I tried just dropping her leash & walking on with him. Nope....not even us disappearing into the distance could encourage her to move. BUT, as soon as we turned around to go back home, she'd walk like a champion. I'd try to fool her by zig-zagging routes... but she must've had an inner compass. She could always tell when we were going away from home, so no walking, & when we were going back home, then walked like an angel (which also happened to be her name!). Another BUT, if the walking involved something social, like going to a coffee shop or visiting or to a dogs' day out ... she'd happily walk, no problem. She just didn't believe in going out for walks for walking sake.

My Annie does the opposite. As soon as she hears her dinner preparation sounds, she appears at the kitchen doorway & sits rock still staring. Doesn't matter how long it takes, she doesn't move a whisker. As if even one tiny move will mean the dinner things will fly away. It's like she turns into a new breed... a Tibbie Pointer.

French Bulldog crossed with Pug? Frug I can't think of any other dog breed that starts with 'Fr', except something French. Whoops! Sorry, Scrappi&Monty ... you beat me to that guess. Didn't see it.

Great idea that smoothes out any concerns.

Love it! I should've asked the tibbie X chihuahua who looked pure tibbie to 'speak'! :)

Here's a list of 7 pharaoh hound breeders from the Dogzonline breeders' pages. I notice one is in NSW, but this list might not be all of them. Someone familiar with the show scene might be able to make a recommendation. I just happen to have a soft spot for the breed because my background is Maltese. https://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/breeders/pharaoh-hound.asp

Has anyone come across a cross that turned out exactly like one breed in the cross? I saw a gorgeous tibetan spaniel at the local markets. With every feature of the breed, so I had no doubt it was a purebred...until!!! I walked over & congratulated the owner on their lovely p/b tibbie. Owner said he wasn't p/b, he was a cross, and she knew the parent dogs (both owned by family friends). Chihuahua and Tibetan Spaniel. Even after being told, I still couldn't see anything that didn't look full tibbie. The owner said I was not the first person to come up to her in public, with the belief he was p/b tibbie.

Speaking only for myself, I'd always go for the registered breeders who are on top of the health issues that may be more common in the breed. Even tho', due to factors beyond control, there's no 100% guarantee. However, what breeders like that do, is reduce risk by much longer way. The second thing I look for from such a breeder, is the degree to which his/her parent dogs & puppies are socialised with human beings and with as many aspects of everyday life as possible. That early socialisation of puppies actually lays down neurological pathways that reduce risk of high anxiety or fear aggression later. If a breeder who ticks both, is not local, but more distant.... I'll still go for them. With all our modern means of communication, it's easier these days to sustain a relationship with the breeder. I'm looking at my 16 1/2 year old Tibbie who just had her annual vet check... which showed her in great nick for her age. No arthritis, as agile as ever, teeth good, not one single thing she needs any treatment or monitoring for. She's a bit deaf, but amazingly there's a miracle when the word 'Dinner!' is mentioned. :) As always, she's very social & affectionate with people. Even tho' we're in Qld, she came from a superb registered breeder in NSW.... who ticked both those boxes admirably. Keeping in touch was no problem and was welcomed. You have to make your decision based on your circumstances. Good on you for putting so much thought into it.

I love Dyson looking at the turtle... as if to say, 'You're a mighty lot slower than me!' Your photos are always a joy & do the dogs in your care proud.

Looking better!

Do you mean easy/easier care? You appear to be arguing that some degree of neglect is OK in this breed. When I had a series of surgeries, my tibbies soon develop significant matted lumps in their leg area & under their ears. Other family members hadn't realised the need for regular coat care. My Swedish-born tibbie with a far denser coat is particularly vulnerable. But, on that occasion, even my less dense Australian-bred tibbie, had nasty, uncomfortable thick lumps... which were the devil to get off. And horrible for her. If someone owns tibetan spaniels, no matter who & how many, if they can't or won't do regular grooming, then they should either keep them entirely clipped... or not own the breed at all. of if they are spotted before you do, and have time to remove them, they should be seized and you publicly shamed prior to the pending trial?????????? if significant lumps that cause discomfort, pain and/or affect movement are found....it would mean I hadn't spotted them because I was not doing the regular monitoring & coat care required. I'd then have no one else to blame if the RSPCA took them into care. The aim would be to immediately treat the dogs. Extent of culpability would depend on particular circumstances....like if an owner were lying ill in hospital. I repeat, I do not have access to photos & evidence that the RSPCA collected in the particular case. That is what counts when a court deliberates this case. You are hell bent on defending the owner at any cost which you're free to do. However, I can neither accuse nor defend her because I don't have access to the evidence (another broken record). Shall leave you to it.

I still haven't seen 'fallacies' published about the tibetan spaniel breed in that account in the OP. As to the extent of neglect of the tibetan spaniels caught up in the raid, I don't have access to RSPCA photos and evidence, so I can't comment on 'misleading'. But I do know, as a tibetan spaniel owner of long-standing (broken record coming up) that they do require regular coat care & can develop significantly uncomfortable thick mats in vulnerable areas, if that's not done. That needs to be factored into ownership of tibbies.... whoever the owner is and however many that's owned. This matter will be played out in court, with protocols applying to whatever evidence is deemed applicable in the civil action.

Do you mean easy/easier care? You appear to be arguing that some degree of neglect is OK in this breed. When I had a series of surgeries, my tibbies soon develop significant matted lumps in their leg area & under their ears. Other family members hadn't realised the need for regular coat care. My Swedish-born tibbie with a far denser coat is particularly vulnerable. But, on that occasion, even my less dense Australian-bred tibbie, had nasty, uncomfortable thick lumps... which were the devil to get off. And horrible for her. If someone owns tibetan spaniels, no matter who & how many, if they can't or won't do regular grooming, then they should either keep them entirely clipped... or not own the breed at all.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=tibetan+spaniel+photos&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT6YTd96TQAhUCVbwKHRi6C5MQsAQIGw&biw=1920&bih=971 so? Tibetan's don't have short hair on their ears like the breed photos? and that maltese looking thing is actually a Tibetan Spaniel is it? You appear to be asking two things. I've already answered the first on behalf of tibbies... that they have hair of sufficient length and density that lack of monitoring and care of coat leads to matting.... & cited the thick lumps that can form under the ears. You provide a list of googled photos that do not show one tibbie ear lifted to reveal the hair at the base. I own tibbies & am part of the tibbie owning community. As to your second question referring to a particular dog as a 'thing. I wasn't speaking to that. Only to your googled quote that confused easy-care, with non-care.

[quote name='asal' timestamp='1479008435' post='6856917' neither chi's or Tibbie could manage a suitably matted coat as said in this link "Small but active and alert, the Tibetan Spaniel dog breed hails from mountainous Tibet, where he served as a companion and watchdog. He’s known for his intelligence, easy-care coat, and his desire to keep watch over his family from high perches in the house. Read more at http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/tibetan-spaniel#EXZ2FqVsK8VRWgAZ.99 " Hello.... from a long-time owner of Tibetan Spaniels. That description says...'easy-care coat...meaning it's easy to care for, if you care for it. The statement presumes the coat is to be cared for. My tibbies would be in a hell of a mess if they didn't get regular monitoring & care of their coats. Read 'matted'. Neglected tibbies very quickly get mats forming & I've seen other rescued tibbies with lumps of matted fur which felt & looked like rocks under their ears. Thistle the dog, I thoroughly appreciate what you've posted. On behalf of tibbies, thank you.

If you intend to come, please let the club know for catering (they will supply the sausage sizzle & drinks) So rsvp to [email protected]

If you're a Brisbane/SE Qld owner of a Tibbie, pet, show or cross, you're invited. Or if you know someone who is, please pass this notice on. Or, if you're curious about the breed & would like to see examples & talk to owners. At Dogs Qld ShowGrounds at Durack: TIBBIE SOCIAL CLUB of QLD FUN DAY /PICNIC This is an open invite to all tibbie lovers not just members. If you are in South-east Qld this may be of interest to you. Date/Time: Sunday 13/11/16 commencing at 10.30am Location: Dogs Qld ShowGrounds Address: 247 King Ave Durack. Food: There will be a sausage sizzle and cold drinks (Club supplies all these), so please RSVP, as soon as possible, for catering. Fun Games/Competitons: e.g. Best dressed Who wags his or her tail the most, Best smile. and a few others. Prizes will be awarded to the winner of each competition. RSVP: To help with catering and planning can you please rsvp to [email protected] Thanks to the Tibetan Spaniel Social Club of Qld, for organising.

DDD, I think the lion's paw is raised in amazement at seeing such a fine display of Zen. :)