twodoggies2001

The same sort of scam is happening with privately advertised cars. In fact it was tried on my advertisement and the buyer is almost always offshore. I think how the Paypal works is that they actually 'send' more than the asking price, and Paypal will not actually pay out because the amount is incorrect. In the meantime the 'buyer' sends a copy of the 'payment' and the seller believes the transaction has been completed. The pups are picked up and seller is minus pup/s and money.

I would have asked the kids where their parent were and then gone and sworn at them. I wouldn't be using language around kids of that age. It's not their fault, but the fault of the ignorant adults who allowed them to be in that situation. I wonder if you have kids and if you would appreciate another adult yelling at them in that fashion. I didn't deliberately loose it at them, I had just seen my 4.5 kg dog attacked by their 40 kg dog, so I was pretty upset. They decided to make a run for it after I asked them repeatedly where they lived and said I wanted to talk to their parents, and I had to run after them to find out where they lived, and I did have a word with their father about it. I didn't swear at him though, I had calmed down slightly by then. If he had been the one walking the dog and not able to control, I would have sworn at him instead. And btw, they knew that their dog doesn't like small dogs, because I used to be an Avon rep for my area, and I chatted to the wife once and she told me the dog doesn't like small dogs and had been behaving weirdly since they moved to this street, and they still let their kids walk it. I don't have kids, but if I did and they did something stupid in my absence I would expect them to get yelled at. I grew up knowing that if there was an adult around and I did something stupid, they would tell me, despite not knowing them. Not like today when people can't handle any stranger correcting their kid for anything, and get their knickers in a knot over it. You didn't say in your first post that you asked where they lived and that you followed them nor did you say you had a word with their father. Today is no different than in your growing up days. Your own words were you swore at the kids so this is not correcting them. I'm not getting my knickers in a knot, but just wondering if they are spoken in such a manner how you would expect them to have any respect towards their elders including yourself?

I would have asked the kids where their parent were and then gone and sworn at them. I wouldn't be using language around kids of that age. It's not their fault, but the fault of the ignorant adults who allowed them to be in that situation. I wonder if you have kids and if you would appreciate another adult yelling at them in that fashion.

the OP stated that the owner of the attacking was a 'nice person'. Be that as it may, being a nice person doesn't mean that irresponsibility is to be ignored. I didn't want to use the word 'idiot', but I have to agree that he is one . What kind of moron, knowing that his dog is capable and does attack unprovoked allows it to be in the company of others whilst off lead? I'd bet my bottom dollar if his dog was hurt by another, he would be jumping up and down hold the other dog owner responsible. Does it have to come to a fatal or near fatal attack on another dog to make him realise just what his is in charge of?

i am asking the same question but vet's choice, he is only about 16 weeks old so i feel he needs fatty acids that he isn't getting enough of. Is it worth your while to seek out another opinion from another vet? I think I probably would. The growing period is so important.

Shouldn't pups be fed a higher calorie diet that adult dogs? I am wondering why the pup is being fed the adult food rather that one for puppies.

No, actually, they're a place for snarky people, particularly those who were, apparently, BORN knowing everything about dogs,so they didn't have to learn from experience, to have a go at newbies Just LOVE how everyone is making assumptions here. I would go with the suggestion some other, HELPFUL, people have put forward - board out the dog or the bitch until the season is finished. I've been in this situation and I know how exhausting it can be - my living room door had huge scratches on it made by my stud dog trying to get to his daughter when she was in season. We were fortunate enough to live next door to a boarding kennel in Yarrambat so we put Sally in there for a couple of weeks - I used to visit her every day & give her a walk, so it worked out well. Some might be, but not all of us are. I have never owned entire dogs or bitches therefore I have never bred a litter and the OP did come on here for advice BUT I can;t understand why she didn't at least have some idea of what was in store. Surely this should have researched before her bitch came into season. It can't be a good thing for either the dog or the bitch involved when natural instincts takeover. I actually feel sorry for the dog in question.

I grateful that you posted these links. I didn't want to go as far as stating these poor unfortunate dogs are skinned alive in front of the others waiting for the same end. I have viewed video of these horrific things happening and it was very distressing to me and most of all to the dogs. I have also seen a photos of a german shepherd like dog chained to a fence that had his artery in the groin severed so that he would suffer a slow death. To most people that is incomprehensible.

Sheep, cow or pig are killed in a supposed more humane way, and stunned before slaughter, but the way these dogs are killed is not to be applauded. They are tortured before slaughter because the people eating them believe the adrenalin gives the consumer more sexual prowess. All this is done in front of the others waiting for their turn!!! Jump on google or utube and see for yourself. I agree, different cultures have different beliefs and that's OK, but the cruelty that comes with it is not.

That's exactly what struck me as as standing out too. I think, rather than being stolen pets, these poor dogs are being bred for a purpose.

It's bad enough knowing that dogs are eaten in some cultures, it's the horrific way in which they are are killed that is the revolting and sad part.

I used to have a standard schnauzer who had a magnificent temperament which I could not fault. I suggest that perhaps she get in touch with the schnauzer club in NSW and they will be able to steer her in the right direction and and let her know of any puppies available.

I have two of the same breed, one docked and one natural tail. I also like the look of the docked tail in my breed but having said that, the boy with the natural tail expresses so much with his that I now wouldn't have it any other way, legal or not.

Well, when you see the same breeders regularly having puppies for sale, you know they are not showing so why would they keep breeding litters? It's certainly not to produce themselves a top dog, but their prices are way up there. I would say that if the puppies they are producing are healthy and well adjusted and the parents are being well looked after and have been health tested and not overbred then I truly don't have a problem with it. If you can make money doing something you enjoy and you are not harming anyone then whats the big deal? The big deal is the culture. 1. Only show people should breed. 2. Show people should only breed a very occsional litter, and wait here are the words that define the belief system...to only get their next show dog and to better the breed. 3. You should never ever ever admit to making any money at all, you only, wait here is comes...because you only breed to get your next show dog and to better the breed. 3. Anyone else breeding with any different reasons is scum, a BYB or a puppy mill. This is because, wait here it comes again..they are NOT breeding to get their next show dog so therefor not bettering the breed. 4. If this is carried out correctly, all other breeders will be pushed out of the breed and the breed will be driven to extinction by low numbers of dogs born and ever increasing inbreeding and high COI dogs who belong to show breeders who, wait here it comes....only ever bred a litter to get their next show dog and only to better the breed. You know there is a breed right now that geneticly is on the brink. COI is getting very high and only a very small number of dogs are being born each year, not enough to keep the breed going. So a group of people come along who want to breed these dogs for their orginal work, so they started a new club to promote this goal. the are registering witht he kennel club, doing health testing and only breeding dogs that are useful at the work. People like the idea and are lining up to buy pup. They are selling pups with breeding rights to promote increased numbers of litters/dogs. They are getting nothing but trouble from the 'establishment' in the breed, even untruthful accusations that they are puppy famers and not doing health tests. It seems like they would rather see the breed slip into extinction rather then welcome any breeders or breeding plans that are not about making show dogs. I was reading the endangered breed list just yesterday, so many breeds have already slip beyond the point of saving them without cross breeding, yet the breed clubs still think the only way to save the breed is to promote them at dogs shows. I am out for dinner and then ducking for cover. If you are referring to my post I am not saying that only show people should breed and I am not saying that non showing people should not breed either. I have nothing against the registered non showing people having the occasional litter,and I am definately not calling these non showing breeders scum or BYB or a puppy mill. Those are your words.

Well, when you see the same breeders regularly having puppies for sale, you know they are not showing so why would they keep breeding litters? It's certainly not to produce themselves a top dog, but their prices are way up there.

I think you may be making some assumptions. 1. Not all buyers want or think a show bred pup is of greater value or even equal value to a pup bred for some other function or to some other ideal. For example, someone who want a dog for function such as stock work, racing, hunting or even family pet. They will want parents that are proven in that function and were selected for that function. More and more people are realizing this. 2. Just because a breeder is breeding show dogs, does not mean they are breeding dogs with excellent health histories or are even doing the health testing that the buyer wants to find. They may also be breeding for extreme physical features that the buyer wants to avoid. 3. Just because a dog would be a show ring winner in conformation, does not mean that it has the structure the buyer is looking for. For example dogs that do the work of that breed almost always have a different structure than dogs that are bred for the show ring. (read thread on spanning terriers as an example, if you want a hunting terrier than you will likely want a dog that will be perfect in structure for the breed to go down holes but will be too small in the chest to win in the show ring.) 4. Most people want a pet, they do not want a show dog. It is too bad the term 'pet quality' means the dog is less than perfect for function of a show dog. How strange to the public it must seem that a pet quality dog which will be their full time family member and a huge emotional investment, should be a lesser quality and a lesser valued dog. I can not tell you how bad I think the idea and term 'Pet Quality' is to the reputation of kennel club dog breeders right now. For goodness sakes, the primary buyer of show bred pups are pet homes, yet we label the only dog they can buy from the show breeder as a reject, a second. For a long time this has been the culture, dog show breeders keep the best dogs and their rejects are sold on to pet homes. I do not think this model will last too much longer, the public is starting to demand dogs bred for the function of pet. 5. Just because a breeder is not interested in nor wants to breed for 'show ring' it does not mean they are therefore only breeding to make money. Nor does someone who makes every breeding decision based only on increasing their chance of winning a ribbon at a dog show, mean that they are not breeding for money. Lets take it a step further, just because someone is only breeding to get themselves another dog for the show ring, does not mean they are breeding quality dogs nor dogs that would be suitable or an excellent choice for the pet buyer. Today breeders who place to pet home should be working very hard on producing healthy and well tempered, moderate dogs suitable and truly fit for the function they will be doing. If someone wants to breed show dogs, then by all means they should do so. But that in it's self does not mean their dogs are worth more or less than someone breeding for some other reason, nor does it mean their dogs are bred to be excllent pets. To the buyer, it should be, that the dogs has value because it was thoughtfuly and well bred for the function they have in mind. So yes, a breeder that is consistently producing well tempered, healthy, moderate examples of their breed, selected for and are in fact fit for the function as a family pet, should be given the highest value for their pups from buyers looking for a family pet. I do agree with you. I would only go to a registered breeder to buy another pup to join our family as a pet. But, I am still of the opinion that some, even registered breeders do breed, not for the betterment of the breed but for the betterment of their bank account. The prices for pups varies greatly and I have always wondered why. Granted, health, and temperament are far more important than confirmation, and I would be looking at the temperament of first of all the bitch and then make enquiries about the stud dog's health and temperament. If the breeder is into exhibiting, and intends to retain a pup or two from that litter, then any responsible breeder would, I imagine or should ensure temperament and health is the top of the list, not to mention a pup with good confirmation. My two that I have at the moment were both from registered exhibition breeders. Both are not up to scratch for the show ring, but that doesn't matter to me and I am content in the knowledge that they have impeccable temperaments, and both breeders are well known. My dogs are very valuable to me because they really do perform the function I wanted them to fulfill. Interacting with my small grandchildren, be an integral part of our daily lives, give us affection and warm our hearts and just to add, were worth every penny.

Some great answers there and breeding is a risky 'business' (pardon the pun) but what about the very high priced puppies offered when there is no show history behind them? In fairness, a lot of puppy buyers would have no idea of confirmation and what is expected of a show quality puppy , and I do understand these are puppies are not normally offered as pets, but they still pay the high prices asked even for pet quality. Would it be fair to summise that there are some registered breeders out there in it for the money just as fatsofatsoman asked?

There is a thread on the breeders community on the topic of repricing puppies. Because I am unable to post in that community I am interested to know as to how the breeders come to prices for their pups. It is obvious to me that when the breeder is successful with his/her bloodlines in the show ring a higher price can and should be asked, but what about breeders who don't show and ask at times, more than the known and successful exhibitors? I see this often in my own selected breed and at times see some of the same prefixes advertised well before the puppies are due even though some of them are non exhibitors.

she didn't hand over any money for it. What would you recommend her to do? Tell him to surrender them to the pound? They'd be dead pretty quickly. OK. So the pup was free but people like the owner probably wouldn't have the brains to desex the bitch, and probably the male dog which probably belongs to him too. He will just do the same thing next time the bitch has a litter. He obviously is not in it 'for the money' so it's no skin off his nose. If you read all the OP's posts, you'll find two of your assumptions look to be incorrect. But hey, don't let that stop you. If you are referring to my post, by the time I did actually post, I discovered that the owner was actually going to have his bitch desexed. Please forgive me asking for forgiveness was tongue in cheek!! You probably wouldn't anyway. And he didn't own the dog either. It's not me anyone should be seeking forgiveness from. I"m not the one copping the caning for 'encouraging' this guy to breed.

she didn't hand over any money for it. What would you recommend her to do? Tell him to surrender them to the pound? They'd be dead pretty quickly. OK. So the pup was free but people like the owner probably wouldn't have the brains to desex the bitch, and probably the male dog which probably belongs to him too. He will just do the same thing next time the bitch has a litter. He obviously is not in it 'for the money' so it's no skin off his nose. If you read all the OP's posts, you'll find two of your assumptions look to be incorrect. But hey, don't let that stop you. If you are referring to my post, by the time I did actually post, I discovered that the owner was actually going to have his bitch desexed. Please forgive me

she didn't hand over any money for it. What would you recommend her to do? Tell him to surrender them to the pound? They'd be dead pretty quickly. OK. So the pup was free but people like the owner probably wouldn't have the brains to desex the bitch, and probably the male dog which probably belongs to him too. He will just do the same thing next time the bitch has a litter. He obviously is not in it 'for the money' so it's no skin off his nose.

More's the pity. Probably kids don't like you either

Because they are irresponsible heartless mongrels, and obviously, didn't want the pups to get to the stage where they would have to put time and effort in. Bet they haven't desexed mum either and the scenario will be just the same in 6 months or so.

I go to Robin too.

I use Tacrolimus for Benson who has sever dry eye. In his case, it has not really improved his numbers for the dry eye,and the count comes in very low, but in his case,it doesn't seem to bother him. He seems to cope with the low count. The only drawback is that it is frightfully expensive, but his eye, given his age, and according to the eye specialistist healthy. Yeah Ill agree with the tear count as my dog had better tear readings with the optimmune but it did not agree with him. Another positive thing is that it is much cheaper than the optimmune as well. Do you use it once or twice a day? I use one drop twice a day.