*Heidi*

I wrote this in the Springer thread But RIP Hugo :D And :D :p for you SD

Sorry i had not checked the springer thread before i posted that Have fun tonight, just remember it is ok to let it all out, it makes you feel better in the end ;)

Glad to hear you are a bit better today, it all takes time, and it is the little things i find that used to set me off. Our thoughts are still with you, your Oh and Cassie ;) Psss .... Somebody last night posted photos in the springer thread of Teegan, waiting for new Cassie ones ;) :cool:

SG Thanks for your PM, I really did not expect a reply back, at least not today, I have been finding myself thinking of you all day and I know losing a pet is never easy at any age and although we lost our 2nd Saint at only 18 months old, well before her time, the same as Maxie has gone to soon, at least we had the weekend to come to terms with what was going to happen, I can not imagine how you are feeling with it all being so sudden. Here is a poem that might help.... RIP Max, have fun chasing those Possums! I stood by your bed last night, I came to have a peep. I could see that you were crying. You found it hard to sleep. I whined to you softly as you brushed away a tear, "It's me, I haven't left you, I'm well, I'm fine, I'm here." I was close to you at breakfast, I watched you pour the tea, You were thinking of the many times your hands reached down to me. I was with you at the shops today. Your arms were getting sore. I longed to take your parcels, I wish I could do more. I was with you at my grave today, You tend it with such care. I want to re-assure you, that I'm not lying there. I walked with you towards the house, as you fumbled for your key. I gently put my paw on you, I smiled and said "It's me." You looked so very tired, and sank into a chair. I tried so hard to let you know, that I was standing there. It's possible for me to be so near you everyday. To say to you with certainty, "I never went away." You sat there very quietly, then smiled, I think you knew... in the stillness of that evening, I was very close to you. The day is over... I smile and watch you yawning and say "Good-night, God bless, I'll see you in the morning." And when the time is right for you to cross the brief divide, I'll rush across to greet you and we'll stand, side by side. I have so many things to show you, there is so much for you to see. Be patient, live your journey out... then come home to be with me. Edited because I forgot to add the poem [/font]

I have just read this on the springer thread, I cant believe it RIP Max My thoughts are with you, Mr Springer & Cassie I will miss my Max stories and photos, losing a dog earlier in life than later is always a hard thing, but at least he lived life to the "Max"

Cassie I am sorry to hear this, i have only just read the first posting, will email you now if i can type as the tears are welling in my eyes RIP Oakley :p Hopefully he is playing with all the other Saints at the bridge (my 2 boofers included) Lots of hugs to you Heidi

Julie & Michael this breaks my heart to hear this. Lloyd was a gorgeous big boy, thinking of you at this time RIP Lloyd :D

We have been luck enough to have 2 Saints in our lives, Our first one we got when our first born was approx 8 months, we never had a bite problem with her and she got along great with him Our 2nd one we got after Griffin passed away, our boys then were 2 and 10 years old, again she was never a biter, i think it all comes from early one, we never let the kids play tug a war with them when the Saints were little as I thought it might mean a nipping and the dogs might think it was OK, knowing how big they would get i wanted to lay the law down early. Our current dog is not a Saint but she was a little nippy, we just did the high pitched squeal and as soon as she stopped ignore her, now our kids (now 12 & 4) could not do the high pitched squeal, or they did not want to but a deep Ahhhh like the mummy dog would do followed by ignoring her worked a treat, I am not sure now with Boris's age if that would work but it might be worth a try. And as others have said just keep an eye on him with the kids till he gets the message it is not OK, Hope you get onto the breeder and see what they say, I am sure Debbie will PM you the number soon, Thanks for the updated photo, he is such a cutie

:p Gee what a idiot :p :p

RIP Keisha

RIP Brodie

So Sad to hear of this news :D :D RIP Tia But at least you know she had a wonderful family and is now back with Mum

Another Eagle Pack fan, glad to see I'm not alone No you are not alone, another Eagle Pack fan here but to be fair i have not tried Nutro

To start with I put in one or 2 small toys at night (ones that dont make noise!LOL), now she goes to bed with her favourite toy of the day, hubby works different shifts so if he gets up for morning shift she goes to bed about 9.30-10, if he is on nights, like now, it is about 11, tonight she is staying up! but once she is in there, ( I always still take her out just before bed) she is happy to be in the until we let her out, which is normally about 7.30am, she will sit there waiting if we sleep in, no problems like on weekends till 8.30-9am but she has normally gone to bed late the night before. She has been sleeping through the night now without loo breaks since about 4 and a half months, but for a month or so after that, whenever hubby was on day shift I would let her out also about 6am and put her straight back into bed for another hour and a half, just because i was awake but she would have held on. Even now she will get up in the morning and i put her straight out but she likes to greet everyone first so she is never busting to go. It does not take them to long to work it out, i think picking the water up at night helps. The main thing is not to give in to the heartbreaking crys the first few nights, if you give in then your in trouble

We crate trained out new puppy when bringing her home, you will find it is a huge help with toliet training I go to bed late anyway, we would not give puppy water late in the evening and take her out about 10-11pm straight before bed, then half way through the night I got up once or twice depending on when i woke up, or heard her awake I took her out and told her "wee wees" and she soon got the idea but it was not long (a month or so, will depend on the breed etc also) and i thought she could last longer and i would get up about 4am or so and then when we got up, we never to this day have had a accident in the crate (she is now 8 months) and sleeps all night in there. I dont think it teaches them to go regularly at night, it is just until the bladder can hold more till morning, the other thing is dont make the crate to big to start with so she/he can wee in there and still sleep comfortably, even if you get a large crate to start with block it off so it is smaller to start with, as we did, so you dont need buy different sized ones as they grow this might help http://www.inch.com/~dogs/cratetraining.html

Pm'ing you now

Welcome to DOL I agree with what everyone here has said, 8 weeks is a minimum for a puppy to stay with its brother and sisters and mum and for the "breeder" to not give the vaccinations, must be ringing alarm bells, and you could also be setting yourself up for health problems later down the track as registered breeders would have tested the parents and made sure they are clear of what you particular breed problems are. I dont know what breed you are after but the breed list here has breeders that you could contact, http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/list.asp I know it is hard on the kids to wait but it would be harder if the puppy turns out to have health problems down the track. At least contact a couple of registered breeders from the list and you will notice a difference in what this back yard breeder is offering.

Oh I'm so sorry to hear this RIP TONY

I did tape it, have not watched it yet though

;) Sending hugs your way

Hello Everyone Thanks for your lovely messages and support, sorry for not responding sooner. Kayla had Lymphosarcoma and it was all very sudden, she was fine one day, then on Friday she woke up and was limping a little and we could tell she was not herself, at first we thought she may have slept funny one her foot but we soon sorked out it was much worse, by the time she saw the vet that afternoon she could not, or would not sit down, he said to get her straight up to the ICU at Melbourne Uni in Werribee and we did, they thought she had meningitis but after the spinal tap on Saturday we dound that was not the case, she still was not walking etc and after many, many test and a very long weekend for us she still had not got up to walk and she had some brain damage, was in a lot of pain so we put her to sleep In the post mortem they found the cancer was found in her neck, spleen, kidneys, lungs, and although the Vet was yet to finish the Autopsy he said to us he was sure it was also in her spine, which is why the sudden limp. We are waiting for the full results in the mail. Anyway I just thought i had better let you know as so many people had asked, i would have explained that first day but i was not really up to it, it is still very weird around the house not having her follow me everywhere I go but i know she is still looking down on us. Merry Christmas to Everyone and Thanks again

Kayla went the the bridge yesterday, We did not have you for very long but we loved you with all our hearts, you are already missed very much and we will never forget you. We'll all see you again one day our beautiful girl.