tuscamada

Dotty that is the most beautiful tribute to your girl i was laughing and crying at the same time, I don't think I would have been able to do that if it was me. Big hugs to you and yours and run free over the bridge Gherkin, I am sure my aussie Marney will show you around.

The deposit was taken before she mentioned maybe wanting to breed from her. I have been in contact with her and explained everything and she is going to wait for a puppy from my next litter and I will be getting her desexed if I decide to place her again but for the moment she is staying here. Thank you all for your input .

Still not something that a "prospective" breeder should be taking on initially and most CERTAINLY not considering that the "prospective" breeder could cause Tuscamada untold issues if they aren't playing fair. And given the current climate, the past "Greyshaft" case and many other factors....in my eyes, placing it safe is the wisest course of action. I have been involved with the develpoment of DNA tests in my breed for over 15 years and also happen to be a close friend of the breeder involved in the Greyshaft case so know far more about DNA testing than most breeders. The breeder in the Greyshaft case won the court case eventually because at the time there was no DNA test available and she had no way of knowing the problem might exist. She was just very unlucky to sell a puppy to the most unreasonable person on the planet. Since then we have had a DNA test developed for TNS to make sure this never happens to another breeder. CEA is very rarely fatal, and is no big deal. The majority of affected dogs do not even have any sight defects but a very small proportion do. The Collie and Sheltie breeders are still breeding with affected dogs and doing carrier/carrier matings because they simply do not have enough clinically or DNA normal dogs to do otherwise. BCs have the highest DNA testing rate and for CEA approx 20% of the breed are carriers worldwide. Eliminating 20% of the gene pool would be ridiculous but we are lucky enough to be in a position to have the numbers that allow us to always breed with one parent DNA normal to avoid having any more affected puppies. I believe the Aussies probably have a similar percentage of carriers to the BCs. The Collies and Shelties are many years and generations away from being in this position. There is no problem with any prospective breeder taking on a "carrier" provided the fact that the dog is a carrier and what this entails is declared in writing. For me the bigger question here is why would the OP be getting rid of an otherwise lovely bitch just because she is a CEA carrier? The other person being me was just wanting to place her in a loving family home as that is what I do with my older girls once I have had litters from them as I believe they should have the chance on a one on one family situation instead of a kennel dog all there lives. Seems I have opened a can of worms here and that I might have to sell them her anyway if that is the law here in SA, the lady seems like a nice person when I talk to her.

Err, she works for the RSPCA and she wants to go ahead and breed with a carrier of Collie Eye Anomaly? Apart from anything else, having just read the RSPCA's draft code of practice on breeding, I think you are either being entrapped or she is remarkably clueless. I think ellz has given wise advice. Yes that is what got my allarm bells ringing when she told me that and the only thing in writing is the emails back and forth?? That is why I was looking to rehome her as she is a carrier and has produced carrier pups, such a shame as she is a lovely bitch and silly me believed the yearly and baby eye tests which are supposed tp pick this up, the pups also passed there baby eye tests !!! Eye tests won't uncover carriers, only DNA can do that. Physical examination cannot reveal what is lurking in the gene pool. Yep thats true as we found out when one of the puppy owners had there girl DNA tested, hence I have just spent heaps on getting my dogs tested as well.

Err, she works for the RSPCA and she wants to go ahead and breed with a carrier of Collie Eye Anomaly? Apart from anything else, having just read the RSPCA's draft code of practice on breeding, I think you are either being entrapped or she is remarkably clueless. I think ellz has given wise advice. Yes that is what got my allarm bells ringing when she told me that and the only thing in writing is the emails back and forth?? That is why I was looking to rehome her as she is a carrier and has produced carrier pups, such a shame as she is a lovely bitch and silly me believed the yearly and baby eye tests which are supposed tp pick this up, the pups also passed there baby eye tests !!!

you have a few options, be honest, or say the pup has shown some health problems and needs further testing, tell them you are required to give them back their deposit until the testing is complete. Hopefully they will go elsewhere in the mean time and you never hear from them again. But be prepared to continue on the lie if they do keep calling back. This is an adult bitch who I thought was going to a pet home untill they started talking about wanting a litter from her, I told them she was a carrier for Collie Eye Anomoly and would have to be put to a clear dog etc and all the pups would have to be DNA tested but they wern't put off, were prepared to join the canine body and get a prefix etc but she works for the RSPCA and with what is going on lately I am not willing to go ahead with the sale.

Hi all I need some input on pulling the plug on the sale of a dog when they have paid a deposit?? were do I stand ? I would give them the deposit back of course, just have a bad feeling about the whole thing.

Ok I have a question for any vets etc who might be on here I have a three month old Australian Shepherd bitch who has started bleeding as if she is in season and my males are very interested in her, It is way to young for her to be having a proper season I would have thought so any ideas???