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you cannot speak for everyone. Not every ANKC breeder is a small time, living room lounging dog home. THere are many who have a more professional kennel set up in Australia. The ANKC should be stepping up for it's registered breeders and it's not. Why? Because they don't police their own COE and hence throw YOU reg breeders to the slaughter of government laws. Why do people turn to backyard breeders and pet shops for animals? Because MAJORITY still think that only reg breeders breed for show dogs and if you want a pet you go to a pet shop. And that show dogs are all in bred and REALLY expensive. THe reason mass and oodle breeders succeed is their marketing. Reg breeders, you are paying an organisation to market and represent you and they're failing. So what do you do ... you want to pull yourselves in futher and cut the nose to spite the face. Where was the big ANKC stand to show people who to go to for a purebred pup? Not at the rally. Why do people believe it ... because reg breeders have not had advertising campaigns, have not trusted the public, and have not trusted each other. Look at some of the posts on DOL "OMG I went showing my dog and could you believe it, members of the public kept talking to me and wanting to touch my dog THE HORROR" or "Oh I got this misspelled email, *chortle chortle* someone of that standing must be stupid and cannot have a pup from me". I find them really upsetting sometimes particularly when pack mentality sets in on these threads. It's really really disappointing. Who keeps dog breeds alive? Not just breeders but PEOPLE WHO OWN THEM AND PERPETUATE THEIR POSITIVE POINTS. Who helps pay for your 'hobby' ... the puppy buyers. The happy owners who get your beautiful puppies. But no more and more I see unattainable breeders, people being turned off breeding their favourite breed properly and being attacked like a gazelle in a lion pack. So of course people go do it backyard. Breeding to improve the breed is not just health tests and the show ring, it's breeding more dogs to perpetuate the blood and gene pool. It's marketing your dogs for the right families waiting out there for their next pet. Where is this happening though? Closed dogs shows, closed purebreed events and private homes. Why are purebreed events not family fun days more often? Offer neuter classes so pet owners with pedigree dogs can have a bit of fun too. Because yes, they're dogs and they're FUN. We forgot THAT too. I love purebreed dogs, with all my heart there is nothing else I would want to own. But you cannot blame their dissapearence simply on animal liberation. Or on the councils. If you dont step up and make yourselves heard either then your voice will be lost. To win this you need to get people at their own marketing game, shout loudly about your own plight and positives and people will join. But sit here grumbling away to yourselves and you will be swept under the carpet. A yes a good reprimand is in order for the ANKC breeders. Not only had they better put up and shut up, but they better do it with a smile on their face. It is all their fault, BYB, puppy farms, what the public thinks and how animal rights people behave. The sooner they admit this, the sooner they can get back to breeding your next purebred dog. ' Who helps pay for your 'hobby' ... the puppy buyers.' Statements like that make it clear that it really is time to say, No puppies for sale. Check with your animal rights group to locate a new and imporved, inspected and approved large scale breeding facility to purchase your new puppy. For the greater good.

We need to do a massive ANKC breeder stop work (Well not massive as we are the smallest group of breeders, and it is not work but you get the idea). Every breeder in the country needs to say, I quit and will stay quit until the government listens to and provides what we need to produce the happy healthy dogs we know how to breed. If the only way they can find to go after puppy farms and animal abuser is to make life unbearable for the ANKC breeders, then so be it. They can all live with the reality of that choice. They will understand right away what it will be like when there is not a single ANKC pup for sale to the public. Hundreds of breeders on DOl with a big X across their kennel information with the words 'No longer providing ANKC pups for sale to the public, contact your representative to ask why'. I suggested some time ago that we breed without selling and this is a perfect example of why that needs to happen. Only breed to get your next pup and give any other pups to other breeders, fanciers and close friends. If that is how this all ends up then so be it, I can live with that. Let public turn to the animal rights groups who drove off the ANKC breeders, so they can be told to source a pup from one of their new and improved, RSPCA inspected and Gov approved large scale breeding facilities. For the greater good.

Using that as an example, I think most of the new large scale breeding establishments will not have a problem with this, will make any adjustments needed and be inspected and approved. Certainly for the greater good. For smaller breeders with more than 2 dogs (the most common ANKC breeder), being 400m from your nearest neighbor will mean most will have to move to properties. But seeing as they are not allowed to exercise their 3 or more dogs off their property, they will need a really big place anyway. This will change their life style from a pet owner to commercial breeder with dogs in kennels. So they would have to be willing and able to do this to their dogs and themselves. Most will not be willing or able, and will stop breeding. That is certainly for the greater good. Breeders with 2 or less dogs can stay home. This will mean that most breeders of this type are very short term, a few litters at most (and they can not even keep a puppy which is the motive most would normally have) and then it is done and dusted for 10-15 years until the 2 dogs to pass on. Not sure how many would breed more then one litter and only if they only had 1 dog, so that they could keep a pup. However this will easily accommodate the very common breeders that I call BYB, people who breed and own dogs only to make money. They will breed each of the 2 dogs to the max limit, then dispose of these 2 dogs and replace with 2 new dogs and start again. Since they are not registered breeders, they will likely escape notice and inspections. Certainly for the greater good. Looks about right to me. For the greater good.

Well it soon will not be a problem for you, the large scale breeding facilities will be inspected and any small breeders that are still around. Now if you are buying a puppy from an inspected and approved large scale breeding facility, I am not sure if you as the buyer will be able to visit the mum and pups. Play with them, temperament test the litter and have weekly updates and discussions about the pups as they grow with their breeder like you might have done in the past with a home breeders. Which BTW would have given you ample time to scrutinize how the pups and dogs were managed in the breeders home. But I am sure the staff member on duty that day at the facility will be able to answer any questions you have. You will also know that the large scale breeding facility has passed inspection and is approved to breed and sell puppies. So it seems you will have ample opportunity to get a pup from an inspected source. For the greater good. I'm not all that interested in made up hypotheticals...... I was hoping for an answer to the questions posed Me special, not at all. That is why I will stop breeding and leave that to those who want to conduct a business. I worked for years in the second most regulated industry in the world, the only thing more regulated was nuclear. I was an expert at interpreting and meeting regulations, writing and implementing policies and procedures of those regulations, not to mention educating the staff on compliance. I am retired now, too old for all the stuff anymore. I bred for the pleasure of seeing the pups grow up and to get my next dog. Not a problem, I can do other things in my retirement that does not require heaps of regulations and inspections. Besides I have been at it for 2o+ years, bred more than my fair share of exceptional dogs, it is time to move over and let the new inspected and approved large scale breeding facilities have their go. For the greater good. Still not answered........ Just not sure how to help you out then. Try thinking about it more at some other time. Night.

Well it soon will not be a problem for you, the large scale breeding facilities will be inspected and any small breeders that are still around. Now if you are buying a puppy from an inspected and approved large scale breeding facility, I am not sure if you as the buyer will be able to visit the mum and pups. Play with them, temperament test the litter and have weekly updates and discussions about the pups as they grow with their breeder like you might have done in the past with a home breeders. Which BTW would have given you ample time to scrutinize how the pups and dogs were managed in the breeders home. But I am sure the staff member on duty that day at the facility will be able to answer any questions you have. You will also know that the large scale breeding facility has passed inspection and is approved to breed and sell puppies. So it seems you will have ample opportunity to get a pup from an inspected source. For the greater good. I'm not all that interested in made up hypotheticals...... I was hoping for an answer to the questions posed intersting thinking? so when was the last time Harvey Normans owner had his home inspected, Dick Smith for that matter? or do u mean if a dog owner actually wished their home not to be raided. do not keep your dogs at home? rent a shop for the purpose? Totally not relevant if he doesn't conduct his business on his premises. Yes you are correct, we need to inspect every person who is a dog breeding business (and I edited -am sure- real soon we will inspect every dog owner too). It is just that most home breeders are not going to want to be a dog breeding business. That is where the new inspected and approved large scale breeding facilities came into play to produce the pups for the famlies of Australia. You then are getting what you want, pups from inspected businesses and notsome person's home bred pup, from a person like me who thinks they know how to bred dogs. Now you will get your pups from a buisness that breeds and raises the pups to the lowest possible acceptable inspected and approved standard (now there is business regulation compliance concept you might want to wrap your head around). So we concede. Home breeders for the most are not dog breeding businesses, and most will stop breeding and you get what you wanted. For the greater good. Night

Well it soon will not be a problem for you, the large scale breeding facilities will be inspected and any small breeders that are still around. Now if you are buying a puppy from an inspected and approved large scale breeding facility, I am not sure if you as the buyer will be able to visit the mum and pups. Play with them, temperament test the litter and have weekly updates and discussions about the pups as they grow with their breeder like you might have done in the past with a home breeders. Which BTW would have given you ample time to scrutinize how the pups and dogs were managed in the breeders home. But I am sure the staff member on duty that day at the facility will be able to answer any questions you have. You will also know that the large scale breeding facility has passed inspection and is approved to breed and sell puppies. So it seems you will have ample opportunity to get a pup from an inspected source. For the greater good. I'm not all that interested in made up hypotheticals...... I was hoping for an answer to the questions posed Me special, not at all. That is why I will stop breeding and leave that to those who want to conduct a business. I worked for years in the second most regulated industry in the world, the only thing more regulated was nuclear. I was an expert at interpreting and meeting regulations, writing and implementing policies and procedures of those regulations, not to mention educating the staff on compliance. I am retired now, too old for all the stuff anymore. I bred for the pleasure of seeing the pups grow up and to get my next dog. Not a problem, I can do other things in my retirement that does not require heaps of regulations and inspections. Besides I have been at it for 2o+ years, bred more than my fair share of exceptional dogs, it is time to move over and let the new inspected and approved large scale breeding facilities have their go. For the greater good.

Well it soon will not be a problem for you, the large scale breeding facilities will be inspected and any small breeders that are still around. Now if you are buying a puppy from an inspected and approved large scale breeding facility, I am not sure if you as the buyer will be able to visit the mum and pups. Play with them, temperament test the litter and have weekly updates and discussions about the pups as they grow with their breeder like you might have done in the past with a home breeders. Which BTW would have given you ample time to scrutinize how the pups and dogs were managed in the breeders home. But I am sure the staff member on duty that day at the facility will be able to answer any questions you have. You will also know that the large scale breeding facility has passed inspection and is approved to breed and sell puppies. So it seems you will have ample opportunity to get a pup from an inspected source. For the greater good.

GayleK asked the big question five pages ago and unless i'm blind i can't see anyone that has specifically answered it. Oscars Law should be a good thing. It's about stopping/improving large scale commercial breeding facilities and the sale of pets in pet shops. There would be many thousands of dogs around Australia that would benefit from these proposed changes and who knows, if Australia implements them perhaps other countries would follow? The greater good people. In July I sat at a table beside kate Scoffeld and Fiona Douglas - the president and the CEO of the Australian Association of Pet Dog Breeders and any hint that Oscars law or any other will ever stop commercial breeding of puppies is so far off being even conceivably possible its a joke.The RSPCA know this and its why the definition of a puppy farmer si someone who breeds dogs in substandard conditions to keep us all on the same level and under the same conditions regardless of how many we breed. No matter where any one lives there are already ample laws in place to ensure that dogs are kept the way they tell us they should be kept via council planning laws - see the photo of Banksia Park earlier in this thread. Steve, 'will ever stop commercial breeding of puppies' I bet. Aussiedog I appreciate the way you are qualifying the language now. Time to start to changing the rhetoric, from 'Close down puppy farms' to 'Improving large scale breeding facilities'. More to the point and it sounds so much nicer to call them facilities. Ta I think we can all now start to agree on the agenda and outcomes. The more regulated dogs breeding becomes, the more pups will be produced in large breeding establishments. Home breeders can not afford nor will want to, turn their homes and their lives with their dogs into a highly regulated dog breeding business. Especially when purebred dog breeders are continually promoted as producing inbred sick puppies. I would think the puppy farmers are happy, in agreement with the animal rights protestors and fully support the idea of heavy regulations on ANKC small home breeders. They know most small home breeders will stop breeding under this pressure and this means their sales at the "large scale breeding facilities' will go up. We can rest assured that the new government approved and RSPCA inspected large scale breeding facilities will do a good job. No more concerns that puppy farm dogs and puppies, opps I mean large scale breeding facility dogs and puppies are a welfare issue. Once the dust settles, they will take on their new role as legitimate, inspected and approved facilities and become the primary producers of pet dogs for Australia families. For the greater good.

Agree witheveryone above. There is no reason to suspect she needs a CSec yet. Even if she gets out half the litter and then needs a C, she will have spent some time with those pups, and will be better for that. As the others have said keep in contact with your vet and let them know what you are doing. I would call them when she has her first pup, so they know. Everything will be fine!

Only in Australia....? Australia animal welfare group surf dogs to make money...so I guess they think the dogs like it. http://www.ourpatch.com.au/australia/users...ll-surfing-dogs

You write very well thought out posts! ANKC breeders need to oganized right now. I think what we need to do (and do it very soon) is to call our state register (ANKC) and demand a process bne put in place (at once) where we can put our prefix on inactive, but not loose them. Then if and when we decide to breed (and offically join the ranks of puppy mill abusers) we can activate our prefix and breed, then put it back on inactive as soon as the pups leave and we stay inactive for the several years inbetween litters (I figure breeders will really cut back only breed about once every 3-5 years to keep their line going). Any other ideas?

What a surpise..NOT!

You said "It seems that breeders are happy enough to let puppy farms thrive as long as no one looks in their backyards.' So what does that mean if it does not meant what you said? What does ANKC breeders not wanting to be inspected have to do with banning puppy farms/ pet shops? (edited) BTW your reponse says you are only talking about banning 'pet shops', so which is it, banning pet shops or banning puppy farms, that breeders want to see 'thrive' as demostrated by them not wanting to be inspected by the government or the RSPCA? BTW an inspection is a whole lot more than looking in a backyard. I asked, which is a question not a statement. A question you did not answer BTW. "So you believe that to stop breeders like this one above, the government and the RSPCA need to go after every ANKC breeders who have nothing to do with the above situation? You think that because ANKC breeders do not want to be treated like they are puppy mills that this means they want puppy mills to thrive?" So put some of your own words in your mouth and answer the questions if you think I am misleading.

So you believe that to stop breeders like this one above, the government and the RSPCA need to go after every ANKC breeders who have nothing to do with the above situation? You think that because ANKC breeders do not want to be treated like they are puppy mills that this means they want puppy mills to thrive? There is a town called Lost the Plot, where a person committed murder. The people of the town were shocked and said this was just awful. So the mayor Mr. Watermelon decided to stop murder from every happening again in Lost the Plot. He order the police to randomly enter every home and search for any evidence that might indicate a murder had or could occur. The people in the town began to complain, they said they did not want to be treated like potential murderers when there is no reason to believe they have or will commit a crime. Mr. Watermelon says "Anyone who does not want to be treated like a murder suspect is proving they are just fine with people committing murders!' He goes on to say, while pointing his finger at the complainers, "In Lost the Plot, all people are murder suspects and they shall remain murder suspect until it is proven they are murders"!

Yes. The animal rights folks want to ban all exports of live animals from Australia. You will find support for this with all the animal rights groups. Then you can wipe out sheep and beef exports, along with ethical ANKC breeders who place an occasional dog over seas to loving homes. BTW you might want to consider banning imports of dogs too. Think big.

You know on the last episode of Life with Dogs the other evening, they showed the sheepdogs. That handler is unquestionably one of the all time great sheepdog trialers, trainers and breeders of all time. Known world wide, a leading winner of the most prestigious trials, repeating these wins over an over again with different dogs over many many years, proving that he can produce the dogs that have what it takes. What this man knows about breeding, training and trialing is incredible. It is an honor (I wish I could experience) to watch him work dogs and take in any words of wisdom he might throw your way..LOL. No KC dogs there either, none are registered in the kennel club of the UK, they are all purebreds and registered. Yes he would give away dogs (to be pets) that are not up to the task. The quality of his dogs is unquestionable and that is likely part of the reason why. It is funny how people can devalue some things, just because it is outside of their area of knowledge.

Yes, they may well end up the only place the average person can get a dog. It would get even more interesting if the governement eventually moves to take over the puppy mills and operate them.

Well with 1 million dogs born each year and ANKC breeders only breeding around 60,000. It is clear that we are just a drop in the bucket of dog breeding. Now the other many 100's of thousands that come from BYB and DD, they are just lost and will never see an inspector.

I nominate you Mita, represent all the ANKC breeders to the left wing loons in Australia. You negotiate a nice spot, somewhere between just to the left of extinction and just to the right of jail time. There is nothing wrong with hunting dogs, dogs have had that role with humans for thousands upon thousands of years. Gees even Mr. Academia himself uses his dogs to chase roos around, on second thought I guess that is not really hunting is it.

Have you read it fully. Are we talking about the same document the 117 page document. ok shortstep. i'm officially confused. what is the 117 page document you're talking about? because a lot of what you think should be is actually included in the proposed oscar's law. we were asking for legislation to be drawn up, unless you are privvy to information that the rest of us don't know i think you may be confusing what we are proposing in victoria with what is in place in other states. Sorry not me that said that. :>)

You may not think so, but if you keep pushing to regulate the hell out of small home breeders, your only choice for your new dog may be a fully regulated large breeding establishment. You just don't get it. What you need to do is follow a breeder and live the life through one litter and see what is involved. Picking the parents, raising them up, not all will turn out as hoped, health testing, then everything looks good and you find about a sibling has a problem and you decide to not use the dog you kept. Ok try again, another 2-3 years gone, you go through it all again and you finally have the right dog you feel you can breed in good conscious and want to breed (lets not forget that most breeders who are breeding a pup for ourselves are looking for very special dogs). Then you pick the sire, other side of the country, several thousand gone in stud fees and travel/stay expenses and time off work (I will not send my dogs off, I go with them). Then 8 weeks later no litter, you missed. Try again 6-9 months later. Finally a litter but the last pup get stuck so a C-section to get it out and the litter is now in the red and you have not even raised them yet. Ever tried to socialize a pup, sure you must have done it with your dog, lots of work eh? Now do it 8 times over with each pup in the litter. There is never enough time in the day. The new owners are all lined up and have been waiting over a year, they want photos every day and lots of reports on each pup. Making sure you get kids in the house to play with them, making sure you get them out to see the world and something different every day. Boby awareness skills, sounds and noise work, puppy walks in the paddocks, new toys everyday, teach them to come, to take food from your hand and to lure. show them the pool and let them learn to at least get their feet wet, teach them to tug and chase a ball and the last days teach them to sleep in a crate at night so their new owners have a great first night! It goes on and on and on. Thank goodness I am retired and can devote my whole day to the babies. Now add to all this lots of laws, inspections and possible prosecution. Driven by people you do not know and who do not know you, yet are controlling your actions. People like you going to rallies pushing for laws to take over and regulate how I will breed dogs and how I will live not only with the dog I choose to breed, but with every dog in my home. All under threat that I am no different to a puppy mill. Then with a straight face tell me I have nothing to worry about as long as I meet the standards. Gee thanks, but after much consideration I will pass. You know what, have at it. I am getting old, I am sure i am old fashion. You should become the dog breeder since you seem to know how it should be done in todays world. I will stop breeding and apply for the inspectors job and earn some money for a change. Will be at your home one bright sunny day ready to do an inspection! LOL

I get what you're saying. But from what I've picked up from the European breeders, they believe such a system, where other people might have their show dogs as pets, is actually good for the dogs. They get the best of both worlds. My own dog from Europe came from that system, when young, & she was beautifully socialised as both a pet and as a showdog. And I notice what a good life, the greyhound girl next door has. She, too, has a great pet life, but still contributes to the stock of a champion sprinter bloodline via specialist care on a property when litter is planned. It seems ONE humane & progressive way for purebred dogs to live and contribute, too. Fits in with present laws & is not best conceptualised as a way to avoid laws. It has good goals in its own right. Opps found the other post and your response. Well if you feel this is a good thing for us here in Australia, sugest strong laws that will limit of the numbers of dogs that can be kept by any one breeder (2-3 sounds about what you think might work out) and the law can make sugestions that breeders find other homes for their breeding dogs that go over the limit or they can ask the RSPCA to find homes for them. I am so glad I will not be breeding in this great new world of governement controlled dog breeding.

Interesting you should post this, because I've noticed something that may be a bit of a pattern in some European countries. My particular breed has connections with especially northern Europe (one of my dogs was born there) So there's a bit of chat exchanged. I've noticed that it's not uncommon, in northern Europe, for a breeder to have dogs that essentially live like pets with other people. But are still shown and may also have planned (of course!) litters...with the breeder. I can't quote numbers on how widespread it is. But I've noticed it, in passing. Seems to come from fact that population is more dense in those European areas & that can work against keeping numbers of dogs on the one location. Also seems to relate to preference for dogs to get more individual attention in a pet-like life. So, why wait for the future? Would a variation of doing this, work here? No need for secret underground system needed. In fact, the man next door keeps a lovely greyhound girl as his favourite pet (she's a sister to a champion runner). But when she was ready to have a litter, she went to a property set up for that and owned by the syndicate that owns her. Thougth I repsonded to this but now can't find it. No Mita. First off I would never pawn off dogs all over town to breed with. I will just stop breeding if it came to something like that. Second, the reason the folks in Europe are pawning their dogs off all over town is becasue they have too many resrtictive laws that inhibt the breeders ability to breed good dogs, so as a last resort they try to hind their dogs so they still can make choices. But yes I can see this happening here in the not to distant future, and that is a very sorry thing. I know you are trying very hard to see the world with rose coloured glasses, but as my mother said to me, 'Take em off and get a clue'.

Well really what needs to happen is all ANKC breeders turn in their prefixes and stop breeding until then can be sorted though. A committee of concerned people, someone like you a pet owner, someone like Mita as the ANKC rep for ethical breeders, the RSPCA, the Animal liberation, a PETA activist, get a couple of Uni intellectuals on ethics and animal welfare and a vet. Then they can all go over to the hopeful breeders home. Look at their dogs, their health testing, there breeding history, inspect the grounds facilities and protocols, read over the breeders policy and procedure manual. Interview other family members, meet with their vet, speak to the neighbors and 6 random owners of their past puppies. The breeder should also take an ethics test and an genetics test. They would need to be a member of a breed club and take 12 hours of continuing education each year. Produce full liability and genetic health insurance on every puppy they breed. Then the committee can meet and discuss this breeder and see what they think, make those difficult decision as to who can breed and who can not. How many dogs are too many dogs, tailoring each decision to each person, with no set of standards that all have to meet. The decsions would be something like, yes they can breed as long as they change nothing in the current status. Or no they can not breed and then intervention if needed, such as they need to rid of 3 of their dogs as they do not have enough time for them and they need to desex the remaining one dog (their choice which dog they can keep). For those that are approved to breed, they will be inspected randomly at least but no less than once a year by the RSPCA for any violations. They will have to report any litter they breed with in 2 days of their birth to the shire and the RSPCA, so that the litter rearing inspections can commence (2-4 times during each litter, with a final sign off inspection at 8 weeks just prior to the pup leaving). That should just about put everyone at ease that ANKC breeders are in fact doing a good job and if not they will be caught out and dealt with. Edited to add, the breeders really are going to have to pay a fee for all these inspection, the RSPCA can set this charge and collect at the time of inspection. Then all the BYB (that no one knows how to locate) will just go on doing what they always do, breeding dogs to make a few $. The puppy mills, will the lawyered up ready to fight and win any action towards them or any threat to close them down. The committees will be warned to walk gently with the mills as law suits will result if they are not very careful. The mills will now be able to say that they pass RSPCA and government inspections as an ethical breeding establishment and can hang their approved certificate proudly on their office wall.

Interesting you should post this, because I've noticed something that may be a bit of a pattern in some European countries. My particular breed has connections with especially northern Europe (one of my dogs was born there) So there's a bit of chat exchanged. I've noticed that it's not uncommon, in northern Europe, for a breeder to have dogs that essentially live like pets with other people. But are still shown and may also have planned (of course!) litters...with the breeder. I can't quote numbers on how widespread it is. But I've noticed it, in passing. Seems to come from fact that population is more dense in those European areas & that can work against keeping numbers of dogs on the one location. Also seems to relate to preference for dogs to get more individual attention in a pet-like life. So, why wait for the future? Would a variation of doing this, work here? No need for secret underground system needed. In fact, the man next door keeps a lovely greyhound girl as his favourite pet (she's a sister to a champion runner). But when she was ready to have a litter, she went to the property set up for that. No, the point was that any quality (shall we call it old fashion) dog breeding in such a regulated future will have to go underground (another words a hidden world), just to keep our breeds alive...get it??? And no I would never own dogs sent out to others to avoid the laws on breeders. See, some of us (maybe most of us) are just going to stop breeding if it gets that bad. We will leave breeding to the new folks who know how to do it the new way. BTW the reason people in Europe have dogs spread all over town is they have so many strict laws about keeing dogs and being licensed to breed (pretty much like you are trying to pull off down here). So to have any chance to breed good dogs and have a selection of dogs to raise up, evaluate and consider for breeding you have to get very creative in your method of having dogs but not havbing them around your home. Translation, pawn your dogs off all over town so it looks like you do not own them. But it is a great idea that bring up and I am sure people will be pushed to the point of doing this in Australia very soon.