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There is mention on one in Ryde, but also some one off screening clinics in Canberra http://www.dolforums.com.au/lofiversion/in...hp/t181482.html You might call the vet and Ryde and ask if they ever come out to Canberrra or know who might?

Just got a brand new 2 car shed built (3 sided) to house our 2 brand new cares. They just finished the electric yesterday. Today about 15 barn swallows have moved in. Cars are covered with bird S**T! I am not parking my cars outside to keep them free of bird S**T ! This means war! What can I do to move these birds along?

Thanks for posting this. I remember seeing a TV show that some of these animal mummies are also fakes, there is no animal inside, they said fraud was common. They said that this was very big business. Animal breeding, mummification, sales, and likely fees for internment, prayers or priest frees.

The answer to your question in not straight forward. For any litter, I would want to know the following information. 1. Parents score and how old were they when scored. If they have a high score, (like the dam of this litter) and they were scored at under 2 years of age, I would be very suspect that the hips have gotten worse as the dog matured. Any higher score should always be rechecked after 2 years of age. Lower scores do not need to be rechecked, as even if they do get a little worse they will still be well with in normal range. 2. I would want to know the scores of as many relatives as possible, also the number of relative dogs that have not been scored. For example all the siblings of dam and sire. All the siblings of grand parents. Why is this is important, because this is showing you the family genetic picture. For example if the 1-1 sire has even a single sibling with HD that would be a big red light on this litter for me. If the dam has 6 siblings tested and all are under 10 total and there are no missing sibling that were not scored, that would be a big plus for her. If neither have more than a few dogs here or there tested, then that is not enough information to be considered a good record (for example there are likely at least 6 litter siblings maybe many half siblings and the same for the grandparents, could be 20-40 dogs or more that are close relatives). Absence of knowledge is not indicative that there were not relatives with HD. 3. You say the first litter has not had any problems. How old are they, if under 2 years then it is too soon to know for sure that there is not a problem. Also how many were actually x-rayed? Young dogs often do not show symptoms of HD, so again lack of knowledge does not mean everything is fine. With a dam with this high a score if I had been the breeder I would be getting every pups of her's looked at before I bred her again. Also is it the same sire as the first litter? Different stud can be very different outcome. 4. I would be looking at how fast this line grows up (are the quick to reach mature size), how heavy/big they will get, how big boned they are. All of these can effect the prognosis of HD, slow growth, smaller bone and less bulk all help reduce the risk. After I gathered all this information together, I would assess how much you do not know (how many missing dogs that have not been scored) and how much you do know, look at the lines growth and size and them see what it tells you. You may find that what you really know is only a very few dogs scores and a whole lot of dogs you no nothing about. If that is the case, personally I would look for another breeder that can give you a lot more of the above information. Hips have been a long standing problem in this breed, so breeders should have all sorts of monitors and information gathering in place. If not then I would be looking elsewhere. BTW in OFA where the scores are put into words so helps you to understand what the score means, 10-8 would be considered Poor hips. The OFA scale is Excellent, Good, Fair, Poor, Borderline, Mild, Moderate, Severe. Her score alone is not a reason to not breed her. However you would want a very good and complete history on her family and you would want to assure you put her to a line (sire) that has a long and complete record of good hips. At least that is what I would be doing. I might also add that I would be trying to do about the same for any breeding even if both parents have low scores. The more you know the better.

Hey I stop short of the next bit usually mentioned. LOL Back then they used the latest science to develope their dog breeding ideas, peas and all that. We should be open to that idea again today, as we know a lot more about genetics. But in my defense, 'papers' are representing registration and that means a lot of things depending on where the dog is registered. So yea, the royals are part of it. But there is nothing wrong with catching the eye of the Royals! Some say these dogs were border collies some say they were the foundation of the bench collie. In either case, how lovely! http://www.gis.net/~shepdog/BC_Museum/Perm...enVictoria.html

Hum lots of big words there, not sure if I was new to this I would understand. Registered means that the dog is listed with a dog breeding club of some sort. Papers are the record of this. On DOL they usually mean registered with Australian Kennel Club, but being a federation everything has to be over complicated so that means each state has their own club, which they refere to as the State Controlling body (the only thing they control is people who what to be part of their club). This orgnizations foundations go back to the time of Queen Victoria, when upper classed people started to want to breed animal that were also upper classed. The royals only inbred with other royals so it began with their dogs too. Thus began ' Pedigreed ' meaning of pure inbred blood. Just as the royal family was a closed inbred gene pool, so did the dog breeds become. Stud books were kept and all pedigrees (list of ancestors) of the puppies were recorded (registered = papers ). No riff raff allowed! Once the stud book was closed for a breed, only dogs already listed in the stud book could make the next generation. So here we are today still breeding dogs to the same Victorian ideals. These registires are also known as Kennel Clubs ar as Show dog clubs as breeding for apperance (called the standard, which is a written discription of what the dogs is suppose to look like) has always been the priority for selection criterior and dog shows is where you prove your dogs have the correct look. A dog that does well in the show ring is awarded a Champion status. (please note that these days champions can also be dogs that have done a perfomance or activity to a level of excellence). So what does it mean to you, likely not much at all. If you want to do dog sports in the ANKC then you can likely get your dogs on the Associate register (sign your dogs up as rift raff and they will let you play). Now there are also lots of other registires, some date back as far as or even before the first kennel clubs. There are other sorts of kennel clubs where they want a different structure or model, these are becoming more popular. I think the future of purebred dogs may rest in some of these organizations, as they will have greater ability to be flexable and not cemented in the old way of doing things. They may be able to address the changing needs of breeders and the public. UKC mentioned in the Klee thread is one of these other kennel clubs and has been around a very long time. There are also many working dogs registries where the goals for their breeds are about breeding for their working traits. Many of these working registires have been swallowed up in the past by the show registeried, but these days it does not happen so easily and there can be great battles over breeds and their futures. There are also breed regisities for new breeds, or breeds that do not want to be in the kennel club or for what ever reason they want. Everything is really is changing as far as registries are concerned, even the defintion of a breed is changing. So stay tuned! Hope this helps a little.

Steve or anyone who knows. Is this the same breed as the Mini Fox in Au? http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/ToyFoxTerrier

Under what rules? - only the ANKC has published rules To achieve what qualification? - only the ANKC awards titles in obedience. If you are interested in achieving titles to national standard under a published set of rules, and under trained and accredited judges then right now only the ANKC offers that. Its all well and good to say there can be other options but it would be a huge effort to introduce a system that matched what the ANKC has to offer. Individual affiliates may run the trials but they are run and judged to an agreed and nationally consistent standard. The qualification I get in WA can count towards a dog's title in Qld. Most obedience trials here struggle to break even on a costs basis - there isn't even a financial incentive to create another scheme. Thanks PF thats what I was getting at Steve I did not mention agility, if I want to compete in Agility I can go to ADAA, however what if I though my Mini Foxie was the best at Obedience in the whole country, how else could I possibly test that theory in Australia? Also ANKC has the trained judges and they can be threatened with loss of thier licence of they come and judge my mini foxie obedience trial, so none come. What now? I am sort of backed in a corner and like you said now have to make up my mind if breeding or obedience is more important. What a dilemma! Not one I would have with an ANKC recognised breed. Well that is when most dog people get really ticked off and start their own club. Problem with OB is that is not a growing sport, numbers are falling all over the world. Other activites however are growing, like Flyball, Agility, Dock Diveing, Herding and the list goes on. Almost all of these (internationally) have many other orgnaization holding trials other then the ANKC associated kennel club. Often this other organzaions have large following than in the kennel club. BTW UKC is one of the largest providers of OB trials in the US, and they are very well thought of. Here is the current list for Sporting, please note that UKC registered dogs are accepted on to ANKC sporting and do not need to be desexed. The bolded listing are all breed kennel clubs. ANKC SPORTING REGISTER (Listing of ANKC Recognised Working Dog Associations/Kindred Bodies) The Working Kelpie Council of Australia Inc. Breed Society for The Australian Working Kelpie Australian Working Border Collie SEQ Paddock Workers Association Queensland Working Sheep Dog Association Qld Cattle Dog Trial Association Australian Sheepdog Workers' Association New South Wales Yard Dog Association Inc. The West Australian Working Sheep Dog Association South Australian Working Sheepdog Association Incorporated Koolie Club of Australia The North American Sheep Dog Society (NASDS) Raad van Beheer op Kynologisch Gebield in Nederland The Kennel Club The International Sheep Dog Society (ISDS) The United Kennel Club (UKC) World Wide Kennel Club United States Border Collie Handlers Association This is not a dog registry at all, they have never registered any dog. This is a group that holds sheepdog trails. Opps maybe they need to take this one off. Australian Shepherd Club of America, Inc American Herding Breeds Association American Kennel Club New Zealand Sheep Dog Trial Association (Inc) Canadian Kennel Club NSW Sheepdog Workers Inc Tasmanian Working Sheepdog Association Inc Working Koolie Association Australia

Mini foxies as a breed could apply for sporting if they desired to do so, provided they are working dogs, are they a hunting breed? QLD I believe has more people doing agility in ADAA than in ANKC. I have been told this was driven by ANKC refusal to allow mixed breed dogs at agility trials in QLD. Eventually they changed the rule, but now limit people to only the mix breed they own now and never having another mixed breed dog. LOL So give it a dog generation of time and everyone will swing right back to ADAA. People often have a very deep need to not be told what to do, or in this case what kind of dog to own. Clubs are what we make them, eh? Exclusivity is not always the best way to build a club, membership or to sell purebred dogs. In the past it may have been a selling point to be exclusive, back when belonging to the country club was also important. These days that concept of superiority and segregation does not go over as well as it used to, be it applied to dogs or people. Just my opinion.

What is my opinion on the current market value of different types of dogs, including dogs not registered in ANKC? I see is value placed on ideas and concepts about dogs that do not always conform to all of the ANKC ideals. Value is being placed on 'other' registries. Value is being placed on breeds or dogs not bred for the purpose of show ring. Value is being placed on cross breeds. I also do not see market value as just $$, though clearly people seem to be ready to spend their $ to get what they value. For example someone may value owning a rescue dog more than an ANKC dogs because of social values they place on their action and these days some of the RSPCA dog bidders may spend more for the rescue dog than they would for an ANKC dog. I also see the rise in price of dogs as something that is bound to happen. With all the laws, liablity, diffculties, animal rights pressures, health issues, science/Uni economies based on dog research and so on, the price of dogs is only going to go up and up. So it is possible that the price of Labradoodle is not really high, it is just the cost of many ANKC dogs is low? Not sure about that at all but an interesting subject. I also see a dog world even more fragmented and divided, acting more confused, frightened and angry every day. I really worry far more about that than price of a labradoodle.

This company offers DNA health testing for breeds that are not registered in ANKC and cross breeds!!! OMG Circle the wagons! Rip this company apart! Attack!!! Totally off topic, What is of real interest is the number of companies now offering testing (though usually offering a rather limited selection of tests, so don't use these list of tests as disease level indicators to compared purebreds to cross breds or non ANKC breeds or you will end up looking pretty silly). What will be really jaw dropping is if we start to see a reflection of this competition with much lower prices for DNA tests. This would be fantastic for all dog owners. I like their name too.

Can you please give the documention of all these very serious accusation you have made in the above post. Are you saying that UKC is no longer registering the breed? Where is the documentation that breeds temperament is cause to stop breeding it, who gave this directive to abandone the breeding of this breed, was it the UKC or the parent club? Can you show any proof of lack of understanding of genetics on the part of the folks who have worked on developing this breed? Can you present proof that Paps of Chis were used, perhaps you have DNA testing that shows these breeds are in the lines? Pretty easy to prove your very seriouse and damaging accusation, but then again it is also pretty easy to just run off at the mouth and have no proof of anything.

Too true! LOL

Yeah so what about the Border Collie and the JRT? They werent recognised in the country of origin before the rest of the world took up the Australian Standard. Border collie standard is different in different countries. In FCI they us the UK. (though I did hear tell that Australian tried to get them to change the country of origin of the border collie to Australia (have no idea if that is true). NZ had their own but close to the UK. US AKC has their own but also much like UK. Actaully the OZ standard stands out as very different to all the rest in many ways and the least used standard for border collie in the world. Also remember that by far, and we are talking 100, 000's of thosands of dogs, by far and away most border collie are not registered in the show registries. They are in the working regisitries in their country or ISDS which is the founding registiry long before ANKC (1906 for ISDS mid 1950's for ANKC). Even some of the European kennel clubs and Canada have the main registry as working and a much smaller appendix withint the working registry for show dogs. So if we want to be true to the country of origin then we would be using the UK standard for show bred dogs and ISDS or it's offshoots for working bred dogs (and they have no physical standard). When the truth is stranger then fantasy LOL Absolutely no truth to this whatsover. Just thought I'd point that out that is good to know as that rumor it was going around a few years ago.

http://vimeo.com/21504557 LOL too funny, what will kids get up to next! Oh well just having fun with their pets. LOL

Yeah so what about the Border Collie and the JRT? They werent recognised in the country of origin before the rest of the world took up the Australian Standard. Then they must have been recognised here as a "new breed". JRT were and still are in their working registry in the US. I think they by far register the most JRTs in the US, with AKC being a secondary thought. Big legal fight over this breed being taken into the AKC. Don't know all the details. They also changed/added a name recently and divided the breed (in the show ring not in the working registries)???

Yeah so what about the Border Collie and the JRT? They werent recognised in the country of origin before the rest of the world took up the Australian Standard. Border collie standard is different in different countries. In FCI they us the UK. (though I did hear tell that Australian tried to get them to change the country of origin of the border collie to Australia (have no idea if that is true). NZ had their own but close to the UK. US AKC has their own but also much like UK. Actaully the OZ standard stands out as very different to all the rest in many ways and the least used standard for border collie in the world. Also remember that by far, and we are talking 100, 000's of thosands of dogs, by far and away most border collie are not registered in the show registries. They are in the working regisitries in their country or ISDS which is the founding registiry long before ANKC (1906 for ISDS mid 1950's for ANKC). Even some of the European kennel clubs and Canada have the main registry as working and a much smaller appendix withint the working registry for show dogs. So if we want to be true to the country of origin then we would be using the UK standard for show bred dogs and ISDS or it's offshoots for working bred dogs (and they have no physical standard). When the truth is stranger then fantasy LOL

It is recognized here already, in the UKC registry. ANKC is not the only registry in the world. Dogs are not only recognized in ANKC. Now I suppose we have to talk about what does it mean to be "recognised". You won't be showing or getting ANKC papers for a Klee Kai in this country until the ANKC recognises the breed. For a dog of US origin, that means that the Registry the ANKC recognises as the American purebred register (the AKC) does. Same deal for Silken Windhounds. They are recognised by some FCI countries but until the AKC does, they won't be shown here. Yes but being recognised does not only mean a dog can be shown or for that matter can be shown in ANKC. Some recognizing registries have no dog shows at all, such as WKC. So here is a dog breed recognized in Australlia, by it's founding registry, there are no dog shows, and it certainly is a recognizing registry and is accepted around the world for export. Edited to add, to the vast majority of dog owners in the world, showing dogs is not on their list of things they want to do with their dog nor is something they will consider when choosing their dog.

It is recognized here already, in the UKC registry. ANKC is not the only registry in the world. Dogs are not only recognized in ANKC.

Exactly, breeding is a lot more complex than doing a few health tests and breeding decisions are a breed wide concern. If dogs are bred for the wrong reasons or selected the wrong way, then the whole breed is affected and increase in health issues is just one thing that can go wrong. I posted this yesterday on another topic but it applies again to y our comments. I said it yesterday so wil say it again today, some may disagree. Population Genetics in Practice Principles for the Breeder Copyright ©2009 J. Jeffrey Bragg ALTHOUGH THE SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINE of population genetics has existed for the better part of a century, its penetration into the world of the dog breeder is only just beginning, despite its importance and relevance to that world. Often I have heard dog breeders wish for an understandable guide to practical dog breeding, drawn from the principles of population genetics -- a set of guidelines for dog breeders that would show the way to a healthier way of breeding than the harmful methods of inbreeding and selection now practised by the vast majority. As things stand with traditional dog breeding, the competitive struggle for individual excellence has harmful consequences for breed populations. What is needed is for breeders to think in population terms, to look at each breed genetically as a population and each breeder involved with that particular population as a conservator of that breed in partnership with others. At the present time, after twelve or fifteen years of existence of the canine diversity movement, most available discussions of dog breeding as a discipline still recommend linebreeding (a euphemism for inbreeding), breeding only "the best to the best," together with stringent artificial selection and multiple screening for genetic diseases. That is still the old way. Those are the methods that brought genetic crisis to the world of purebred dogs in the first instance. Two and a half years ago on the Canine Genetics email list, I asked whether we could not collaborate to write down a set of rules, guidelines or principles aimed at breeding according to the principle "primum non nocere" -- "above all, do no harm!" Although a few people acknowledged the desirability of such a document, we never managed to mount a thorough discussion of which principles should be included. In the end I drew up my own provisional list of principles for 21st-century dog breeding, which I never published as I never was able to put it into a final form that I thought adequate. The release of the sensationalistic one-hour video entitled "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" commissioned for the B.B.C. has galvanised the discussion of 21st-century dog breeding somewhat, through the threat of repressive regulation from government and kennel club authorities and the advance of the "animal rights" agenda. Nevertheless the futile wrangling between advocates of inbreeding and diversity advocates still continues unabated on the email lists. One cannot help feeling that, although a certain level of awareness may have been raised, perhaps we have not yet really gone anywhere since the mid-1990s when Dr. John Armstrong made his pioneering efforts to raise questions of canine population genetics on the Internet. Meanwhile the exigencies of the Seppala Siberian Sleddog Project (a Canadian bloodline conservation and breed development initiative under Ministry of Agriculture charter) required that I "wing it" as best I could, creating for purposes of the Project a coherent body of breeding practices for conservation and development of the Leonhard Seppala sleddog strain. Lacking time to make extensive research of other rare or developing breeds, I worked mostly from my own knowledge of population genetics, within the parameters of our evolving SSSD breed, with relatively little light shed on our problems by the practices of other breeders in similar situations. Not every breed may be in a position for its breeders to do some of the things we do in the SSSD Project -- breeders of Chinooks, for example, cannot avail themselves of landrace stock from the "country of origin" of their breed, both because the breed is synthetic in origin and because its original component canine strains are not completely known. With the strong caution, then, that not every single measure here recommended may be possible or appropriate for all other breeds, for every situation, or for any given breed other than the Seppala Siberian Sleddog, I offer for consideration the following guidelines drawn from my own limited knowledge and experience. Please realise I do not say that you (as an individual dog breeder) must necessarily do any or all of the things discussed in the following paragraphs. Still less would I wish to see any such guidelines imposed by government as laws or regulations upon the dog breeding community; I do not feel that breeders can be coerced to breed healthier dogs. I do suggest that if you are concerned about inbreeding, inherited illnesses, and lack of genetic diversity, you might wish to consider implementing some of the following principles whose observance we have found useful in the Seppala Siberian Sleddog Project. Maintain Balance of Sires and Dams Breeders should make a great effort to maintain a reasonably equal numerical balance of sires and dams; it is unwise consistently to use fewer individual sires than dams. The so-called "popular sires" syndrome, in which a small number of elite show or trial winners sire grossly disproportionate numbers of progeny in a breed population, has received much discussion and attention. What may not be so well realised is that this selfsame syndrome is repeated in miniature in most kennels, where one or two of the "best" males cover all the bitches, sire all the litters. (How often has one heard it put forth, and not only by novices, that "the best males should sire all the litters!") Any significant imbalance between the number of sires and dams automatically restricts the effective breeding population. In order to avoid such needless reduction, just as many individual males as bitches should contribute to the population; this holds true whether we speak of the breed population as a whole, or of the population within a single kennel. Eschew Incestuous Matings As controversial as this advice may still be, I nevertheless advise the breeder to do no incest breeding whatsoever (even if you would rather call it "linebreeding" or inbreeding). Just about all purebred dog breeds demonstrate serious and sustained inbreeding when the full known pedigrees are considered. There is little excuse for inbreeding to be continued in the first four generations of pedigree if it can possibly be avoided. Matings of related individuals closer than cousins ought never to be contemplated unless that should become absolutely necessary to prevent loss of a rare bloodline. That means: (a) no brother/sister matings, (b) no father/daughter or mother/son matings, © no half-brother/half-sister matings (i.e., sire and dam share one parent in common), (d) no grandsire/granddaughter or grandson/granddam matings, (e) no uncle/niece or nephew/aunt matings. Why should a practice universally decried with respect to our own species be so common in dog breeding? The principles of genetics are the same no matter whether humans, dogs, or other species are considered. That does not mean that first-cousin matings (sire and dam have different parents but the same grandparents) are okay or recommended, either; it is simply a case of having to draw the line somewhere, at a given degree of consanguinity, in order to say "anything closer than this is quite beyond the pale and should not even be considered." (Otherwise excuses will inevitably be found even for full-sib -- brother/sister -- matings.) If the available pedigree diversity within your own breed allows you to draw the line further out, so much the better. Inbreeding cannot be practised with impunity, without consequences. Inbreeding depression may not be dramatically visible to most breeders, but that is only because it is subtle, incremental and widespread. It is a proven fact that longevity, reproductive success, and the immune system are all negatively affected by even "moderate" degrees of inbreeding. Survival fitness has already been compromised in many breeds. For breeders blindly to continue down the path to destruction whilst telling themselves that they are merely "fixing type and exposing undesirable recessives" is inexcusable. Understand and Monitor Coefficient of Inbreeding To avoid frankly incestuous matings within the first three generations of pedigree is not sufficient in and of itself. The Coefficient Of Inbreeding (COI) must also be monitored, preferably over ten generations of the known pedigree, with a view to keeping it as low as possible. To calculate COI over more than two or three generations requires the use of computer software such as CompuPed, Breeder's Assistant, BreedMate, FSpeed, etc., in conjunction with a reliable breed database. It cannot be done easily or accurately without computer assistance; fortunately a good number of applications are available that meet the purpose. These days every breeder should understand clearly what Coefficient of Inbreeding is and just what it tells us. Unfortunately that is still far from the case. Wright's Coefficient of Inbreeding (the only scientifically acceptable version, though there is at least one specious version in popular use) represents the statistical probability that the alleles contributed by sire and dam at any given gene locus will be identical by descent . It may also be regarded as the percentage of multi-allele genes that are likely to be homozygous by descent for a particular mating. Therefore COI is the principle measure of the degree of inbreeding and its effects on the genome. To calculate a four to six generation COI only gives a false sense of security; usually such a COI fails to tell the whole story and the ten-generation COI will be found to be dramatically higher. Many popular writers, of whom Dr. Malcolm Willis is probably the best known, speak as apologists for inbreeding at one moment, at the next moment attempting to assure us that the average COI in most breeds is quite low. That is simply not the case. In the first place, a true average COI for an entire breed is not easy to determine. People assume that such things are known, but they are not, because the requisite research simply has not been performed. But the assertion that the COI in an "average pedigree" is something on the order of four to six percent is ludicrous, something that can be disproven readily by anyone with a breed database and one of the above mentioned pedigree software applications. The four to six percent contention, when examined, will usually be found to be supported by pedigrees of four or five generations only. Such calculations fail to take into account the background inbreeding inherent in the breeding history of every dog breed; ten generations is the generally accepted standard for comparison. In some breeds even ten generations may not tell the complete story and whole-pedigree COI will need to be examined before breeders can truly know where they stand. Another specious argument often voiced is that "inbreeding should be defined as any mating in which the COI is higher than the overall average for the breed." This is an unscientific and somewhat circular definition. It is ridiculous on the face of it, as COI is not a static measurement but a dynamic one, a new story each time a new sire is mated to a new dam. As mentioned, the average for most breeds is not known. Moreover, distinctly different "average" levels may obtain in different sectors of some breeds (as, for example, show dogs, working dogs, and pet stock). In any case, inbreeding is never defined by reference to a population; it is always a function of the relationship between the sire and the dam of a litter or an individual. Inbreeding exists when genes held by both the sire and the dam of a litter are identical by descent. It is certainly a truism that all present-day dog breeds are "inbred," or, more accurately, that inbreeding has occurred consistently throughout their history. That is why we have acute problems with genetic diseases in our dogs. For that very reason, one of our major objectives ought to be to lower the average COI of every breed by reversing the inherent bias of our present system towards inbred matings. But to speak of an "inbred population" is at best shorthand. Inbreeding has meaning only with reference to a specific mating. It results in an increase in homozygosity (and a corresponding decrease in diversity) which is the permanent effect of the inbreeding. In a purebred dog breed COI can hardly be too low; almost always it is far too high! It is safe to say that most breeders are totally unaware of their own dogs' Coefficients of Inbreeding. Ignorance is no excuse. COI is the best tool the breeder has to assist in the conservation of genetic diversity. Without it he stumbles in the dark down the slippery slope to canine genetic depletion. Pay Attention to the Trend in COI It is impossible to recommend an arbitrary figure for maximum allowable percentage COI, as the situation of each breed is likely to be different. Probably anything greater than 5% constitutes a threat to genetic health, yet to set the bar at 5% would be virtually impossible in many breeds. It is easy to point to specific individuals in numerous breeds with COIs of 70% or more, but in many breeds it would be a real challenge to discover examples of less than 5% COI. There are breeds in which breeders would have to make great efforts to obtain COIs as low as 20%; in at least a few breeds 20% would be alarmingly and needlessly high. Breeders should at least endeavour to grasp what the average 10-generation COI level probably is for their breed, at any rate in bloodlines with which they are familiar, and to seek to keep their own breeding well below that level! Otherwise the COI will continue to increase indefinitely, steadily, year by year. One should take care that the COI trend in one's own breeding is never upward, but always either downward or at worst neutral. This is done by averaging the individual COIs of sire and dam (add the sire's COI to the dam's COI and divide by two) and then comparing this average with the COI for the trial mating or litter that would result from mating those two individuals If the litter COI is higher than the average of the parents, then obviously you are increasing the overall level of inbreeding by performing that mating; ordinarily the greater the positive disparity between the two figures, the more the mating should be deprecated. (This rule of thumb has distinct limitations, though. When a low-COI bloodline or a frank outcross is being integrated with an existing high-COI bloodline, it may still be quite desirable to perform matings in which the mating COI exceeds the parental average, since the end result will still be a desirable increase in diversity for the high-COI subject bloodline.) Conversely, a litter COI lower than the parental average is desirable. As far as I know, despite some claims to the contrary, there is no danger in an abrupt decrease in litter COI from parental levels. You may also wish to look at the same data from a different perspective by calculating (with the same pedigree software) the Coefficient of Relationship (RC) when examining trial matings, the more easily to ascertain which of two or more alternative matings has the least-related parents. Calculate Number of Unique Ancestors A deep and reliable breed database, used in conjunction with a pedigree and COI application such as Breeder's Assistant or BreedMate, is a basic tool to explore COI and trial matings. That is far from its only use, though. The database and pedigree application should also be used to study the number of unique ancestors in the known pedigree. By that I mean the number of actual individual dogs showing in the full pedigree, as against the number theoretically possible in each generation; invariably the number of actual ancestors will be radically smaller than the number theoretically possible. Next you should determine the number of ancestors in common between sire and dam, and finally the number of ancestors unique to each parent. These figures are useful to assess the potential diversity of a projected mating and will tell you more than the simple COI (which, after all, is only a percentile probability figure predicting the likelihood that alleles at the same gene locus contributed by the sire and dam will be identical by descent). One of the best guides to the probable genetic diversity available in any particular mating is the number of ancestors not common to both parents. You will find that this tool dramatically points out genetically impoverished matings, and conversely that it easily isolates matings that are markedly superior from a diversity standpoint. This technique is one of the most valuable tools in actual practice, yet few make use of it. Actual numbers of unique ancestors will vary from one breed to another, particularly in response to the depth of known pedigrees. It is of little use without a complete breed database; pedigrees in which some lines have not been researched beyond the usual four generations will distort results. Know the Genetic Load but Don't Obsess About it By "genetic load" we mean the total complement of genes within a population that can negatively affect the fitness of individual animals. Some of these genes are known; many remain poorly understood or unknown. The breeder should at least be well aware of genetic problem areas within the breed. Some will be breed-specific (syringomyelia in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, the purine metabolism defect in Dalmatians); more will be common to most or all canine breeds (epilepsy, canine hip dysplasia) but in some breeds may be associated with particular bloodlines. Breeders are told that to produce animals with genetic defects marks them as "bad breeders," so they tend not to share information about such defects. They are also told that their objective should be to "eliminate" these genes, which is used as justification for inbreeding and expensive screening programmes. This kind of advice builds up an obsessive attitude towards genetic load. People spend endless time discussing specific defects, individual animals, screening programmes and the like, whilst ignoring the true causes of genetic disease. It is unlikely that canine genetic load can be effectively eliminated, at least at the present stage of genetic knowledge. Not until the functions and interactions of all genes in the dog genome are fully known, and gene surgery commonplace, would that become a real possibility. It is therefore important that breeders share knowledge about genetic load within their breeds, so that they can avoid unfortunate breeding combinations. Authors such as Malcolm Willis and Jerold Bell insist that outbreeding "covers up" recessive defects. Indeed it does and indeed it should! That is exactly what nature itself does, and no one criticises natural evolutionary processes or recommends that natural populations should be inbred instead of mated naturally. The fact that inbreeding "exposes" recessives is not necessarily helpful, because in most cases it is impractical to remove or "eliminate" the "defect" genes. Rather, breeding should be guided in such a way as to avoid reinforcement of known recessives whilst maintaining genetic diversity in the population. Screening and selection can never succeed as a strategy for the "elimination" of genetic disease. As one defect is eliminated, others will be reinforced, and the latter state of the breed will be worse than the former. The genetic load must be known, tolerated and managed; to obsess about its elimination will lead only to disaster. Use Pedigree Analysis Every breeder should also carry out in-depth pedigree analysis for each prospective mating, listing the major ancestors on which inbreeding occurs in that mating, noting the number of occurrences and the generation number of each occurrence. This analysis should be carried back for at least six ancestral generations, ideally for eight. This practice will alert the breeder to undesirable "pile-ups" on key animals and therefore to potential genetic problems (where these are known to be associated with such individuals) in the planned mating. This can be done entirely without computer software. However, an alternative or supplementary approach is to use the "percentage blood" function of pedigree software such as Breeder's Assistant. The percentage blood function, in contrast to COI, illustrates just where in the pedigree major inbreeding problems may be occurring, whether just in a handful of key animals, or more broadly throughout the entire pedigree. Conserve Sire and Dam-Line Diversity There are two unique points of canine pedigree diversity that are not always paid much attention. These are the topmost and bottommost lines of the pedigree -- the tail-male or sire-line and the tail-female or dam-line. They represent unique genetic content, held by the mitochondrial DNA and the sex chromosomes, much of which is transmitted only by those pedigree lineages. Given the intense preoccupation among breeders with both stud dogs and brood bitches, what I am going to say may seem surprising: diversity in sire and dam lines is often quite scarce in purebred dog genomes. In the case of the Siberian Husky (one of the breeds most familiar to me) there are two major founder sire-lines and two major founder dam-lines, along with perhaps one or two others that are well on the way to extinction. I have every reason to believe that most other breeds are in similar case, due largely to hazard, simple chance. Since these lines are not consistently scrutinised and conserved by breeders (because they are unknown if the breeder has not researched the pedigree all the way back to breed foundation), they are subject to changes in the frequency of their occurrences, exactly similar to the changes in gene frequency that occur due to random drift. Most breeds begin with a fair number of unique sire and dam lines. But some drift into prominence and others into obscurity, scarcity, and finally extinction. These lines are important, particularly the dam-line with its association with mitochondrial DNA. This kind of DNA is held outside the cell's nucleus, in the cell mitochrondria within the cytoplasm. Since the spermatozoon has no mitochondria it plays no part in the transmission of mitochondrial DNA, which is inherited only from the dam. Mitochondrial DNA is directly involved in energy metabolism and is therefore vital to performance in working dogs. The breeder should know the available unique sire and dam-lines in her breed and within her own kennel, and should make every effort to conserve them. That means ensuring that the sons of sires contribute to the next generation, likewise the daughters of dams. It is all too easy to neglect this vital point. Loss of tail-male and tail-female lines within kennels leads quickly to their loss within breed populations. Practise Assortative Mating If the breeder should wish to emphasise or fix greatly desired traits, she should consider the use of assortative mating (mating unrelated parents who are phenotypically similar for the desired traits) instead of inbreeding. Assortative mating is much less dangerous than inbreeding and will accomplish much the same ends. It should be obvious that to breed "like to like" for given desired traits will tend to yield more of what is desired, but if the parents are not closely related, there is a greatly reduced chance that other unconsidered traits will be unknowingly reinforced by such matings. Maintain High Generation Time Genetic losses occur infallibly with almost every generation of purebred dogs. This happens through a variety of causes -- random drift, from too few progeny contributing to the next generation, from the inbreeding/selection cycle, bottlenecking, etc.. For that reason, the fewer the intervening generations between foundation stock and current stock, the less genetic diversity is lost. Breeders should therefore maintain a high average generation time (age of the sire at mating plus the age of the dam at mating, divided by two) for each litter produced: four years should be considered an appropriate minimum floor level, five or six is better. It is helpful to calculate a running average generation time for your kennel throughout its history, by keeping a grand average of the average generation times of all litters produced. Far too little attention is paid to generation time by breeders. Many flagrantly disregard the question. How often have we seen the bragging advertisements in dog magazines: "CHAMPION (subject to CKC confirmation) Frou-Frou, finished from puppy classes at 10 months! Offered at stud to approved bitches only. Puppies from Ch. Frou-Frou are eagerly awaited next month!" The dog that is capable of finishing a title at ten months of age may turn out to be anything at all when mature; to mate such a dog at less than one year of age is breeding blindfolded. Often serious genetic diseases do not manifest until three or four years of age. To maintain a high average generation time gives the breeder a distinct advantage when it comes to producing healthy stock, and makes breeding results more predictable, as well as minimising generational losses of genetic diversity. Avoid Repeat Breedings Many kennels make a routine practice of repeating favourite breedings over and over again. Do not always use the same sire for a particular bitch (or vice-versa)! Take care to maintain diversity in your matings. Endless repetitions of the same matings greatly reduce the available breeding combinations both within the individual kennel as well as for the breed at large. This principle would seem quite obvious on the face of it, yet how many people ignore it as soon as they find a "nick"! Ensure Sibling Contribution The breeder should strive to ensure that at least two of every litter (unless it should happen to be one of those litters that really had best be forgotten) contribute to the next generation; half the litter should be the ideal, though perhaps a difficult one to maintain. In every instance in which only one progeny from a given mating contributes to the next generation, automatically and infallibly half of the available genetic diversity in that line is lost permanently! If two progeny contribute the theoretical average loss is reduced to 25%, still less if more littermates contribute. This single point is a major source of losses of genetic diversity among purebreds, yet it often goes totally unconsidered by the breeder. Monitor Fitness Indicators Breeders should not fail to monitor key indicators of survival fitness in their canine stock. These are nestling viability, absence of stillbirths, birth weights, fertility (percentage of successful matings), fecundity (average litter size compared to the norm for your breed), survival to adulthood, and longevity; be sure that your breeding programme does not trend toward the reduction of any of these. Attempt Founder Balancing It may be valuable to attempt to balance the relative contributions of founders (where possible and appropriate), particularly subsequent to founder events or genetic bottlenecks. This is routine practice in zoological park captive-breeding programmes, yet virtually unheard of in a canine context. "Founder" is a not an absolute, but rather a relative term. If a breed has a long pedigree history with original breed foundation stock at thirty or more generations remove from current stock, it may well prove impossible to balance the contributions of the original breed founders, whose relative contributions may already be set in stone for all practical purposes. But founder events tend to occur repeatedly within the history of a breed, not only when the stud book is first opened. Bottlenecks occur with dismal regularity. At least the breeder can pay attention to the most recent founder set that is clearly identifiable, attempt to prevent the loss of individual bloodlines that are seriously under-represented, and seek to balance the relative contributions. Clearly this is no simple matter and to suggest that it be applied consistently may be a counsel of perfection. At least it is one more possible tool in the breeder's armoury against diversity losses. Consider Outcross Matings The great majority of dog breeds have been bred within a completely closed studbook for sixty to a hundred years or longer, with little or no fresh genetic input throughout the entire period from breed foundation to the present. In most cases the stud book was opened for a year or two, a small number of founders, often closely related to one another, were registered, and the stud book was then closed. Thereafter, only dogs descended from the founders could be registered. And for those sixty to a hundred or more years, artificial selection, random drift, bottlenecking and other forms of attrition took their toll of whatever genetic diversity was present in the founder group. It is exactly as though a bank account had been established with a single initial deposit (the genetic diversity of the founders), with no further deposits permitted; meanwhile bank fees and direct debits (diversity losses from drift, selection, etc.) chiselled away at the balance. It is a sure and certain recipe for bankruptcy. Similarly, many individual bloodlines have been treated in exactly the same way, bred in relative genetic isolation from other bloodlines -- except that in this case additional deposits are at least allowed, in the form of bloodline outcrosses. Therefore each breeder probably ought to consider the desirability of locating and using a true outcross within his or her own breed (unrelated to one's own stock for at least ten to fifteen generations) at least once and to integrate the resulting progeny into one's kennel bloodline. This cannot be done uncritically, outcrossing just for the sake of outcrossing. Some bloodlines might be an outcross to your own line, yet be worthless for the purpose. Generally, lines that come from the same ultimate foundation, but contain less diversity because they have been bred in a closed stud book for more generations, or have been heavily selected for cosmetic traits, will tend not to yield useful results. If there is any possibility whatsoever to import unrelated stock from a breed's country of origin, one ought seriously to consider doing just that. This is mainly possible in the case of landrace breeds, in which an autochthonous regional population remains in the country of origin, independent of exported stock that may have become a registered breed in other countries. Examples of such situations would be the population of desert-bred coursing sighthounds in the Near East, relative to the Saluki breed in Europe and North America, or the relict populations of autochthonous arctic spitz-type sled dogs relative to the modern Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute, Samoyed, et al. It would be difficult to overestimate the genetic value of a single import animal, unrelated to the registered breed population for scores of generations but stemming from exactly the same fountainhead. This I would term the Holy Grail of the diversity breeder -- the ideal controlled-outcross situation in which an immediate significant increase in healthy genetic diversity may be obtained at little to no cost in terms of breed type and purpose. (That the Canadian Kennel Club rejected this option for the Siberian Husky in 1994 demonstrates, I believe, the true extent to which the umbrella all-breed registries represent an obstacle to genetic health and true breed welfare and improvement.) In cases of small, highly-inbred populations for which there is no landrace resource, it may become necessary to consider an outcross or outcrosses to similar breeds to relieve inbreeding depression and restore healthy genetic diversity. If so, this ought to be faced squarely and proactively by the breed club concerned and breeding subsequent to the breed outcross should probably be a collective endeavour, shared for purposes of more thorough integration and to reduce the work-load on any one breeder -- because, no question about it, the integration of a breed outcross is a major task that can hardly be undertaken alone by the average breeder. (The Backcross Project in the Dalmatian breed was an excellent example of a breed outcross well-purposed and superbly integrated; but the reaction of the breed club was deplorable.) Monitor Population Growth In the case of small, developing breed populations, it should be regarded as important to monitor and control the growth in number of the population such that there is steady expansion of the population within the limits of breeders' kennel capacity and the demand for progeny. Growth by fits and starts, with periods of rapid overexpansion followed by sudden cutbacks or population collapse, is very bad for genetic health. It is difficult to impossible wholly to avoid population bottlenecking, but its existence and ever-present threat should be recognised. To whatever extent may be possible, breed clubs and individual breeders should do what they can to ensure smooth, steady population expansion and to minimise cutbacks and consequent genetic bottlenecking. Seek Balanced Traits One ought always to evaluate breeding stock for balanced characteristics: health, vitality, temperament, working ability, intelligence, structure, type. Breeders should aim to maintain the balanced characteristics of a total dog, not just to produce winners at dog shows, field trials, races, etc. An all-round, balanced dog will be a much better hope for the future than a highly-selected, over-bred animal thought to be "best" due to its possessing exaggerated traits in one or two areas, whether it be a "perfect head," a showy gait, a faster racing speed, or whatever. First, every individual needs to be a good dog, and that should come ahead of specialised breed considerations. Avoid Unfit Breeding Stock It ought not even to need saying -- but in these days in which extensive, heroic and expensive veterinary measures are routinely used to save otherwise doomed animals, it does need saying: the breeder ought never to breed from dogs that would not be alive but for such interventions (excepting, of course, survivors of physical injuries). It should be obvious that if we circumvent the operation of natural selection, many of the animals that we use for breeding purposes are likely to pass on various genetic weaknesses. Avoid Reproductive Technology Breeders should also consider whether it is in their breed's interest routinely to use elaborate reproductive technology to produce litters. These days various and sundry technical means are available which circumvent natural mating and whelping. Some breeds, indeed, cannot either mate or whelp a litter without veterinary intervention -- already! If we use artificial insemination and hormone assay to effect mating combinations that cannot be brought about by natural mating, along with routine C-section to deliver litters, we may rapidly find ourselves in the position of having created strains that cannot reproduce naturally without technological support. We should also consider whether it is really a good thing to freeze the semen of outstanding males and thus extend their breeding life decades into the future; this practice seems to be universally approved, while no one appears to have examined the effects such extension of the influence of individual stud dogs might have on breed genomes. If the "popular sire" syndrome constitutes a serious risk factor, frozen semen can only ramp up the risk level another notch. Restrict Artificial Selection Restriction of the use of artificial selection may really be the most important principle of all, and the most difficult for the vast majority to accept. Breeders really should avoid all extremes of artificial selection! When one comes to consider the problem of lost genetic diversity, inbreeding by itself is less than half the story. The hard truth is that breeders’ selection itself is just as great a culprit, if not worse. Inbreeding and selection combine in a cyclical fashion in the dog world, to cause the systematic depletion ("depauperisation" to the geneticist) of purebred genomes. From the professional geneticist's standpoint, present-day purebred dog breeds are virtually all depauperate to a significant degree, therefore lowered in fitness, vulnerable to genetic disease and inbreeding depression. This situation is due to excessive artificial selection more than any other single factor. When this goal is discussed most breeders react with dismay, asking "but how else can we set type?" If "type" has not already been "set" in breeds held within closed stud books for the better part of a century, then it never will be set. The truth is that selection is now used by dog breeders to create bizarre exaggerations of type, often unhealthy in themselves to the dogs. (Some examples, such as the nearly muzzle-less Pekingese, the respiration-challenged Bulldogs and the cerebrally-deformed Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, are already notorious in the dog world.) The desire for a cookie-cutter "consistency of type" causes healthy genetic diversity to be discarded intentionally at an alarming rate. (An example of this desire is the person who declared at a Chinook specialty show that he saw at least five different types represented there, and that "they had better get themselves a geneticist or they will never have a standard type." The Chinook is a working breed with a dangerously low population and a perilously narrow genetic base; the kind of diversity that engendered that comment is hardly to be deprecated in such circumstances.) We hear endless discussion about inbreeding and its evils, and rightly so; yet we hear very little about the dangers of sustained extremes of artificial selection, which are if anything yet more dangerous than inbreeding. Together these two factors become an engine for the destruction of genetic diversity. People's constant obsession with having the "best" dog and with "breeding only the best to the best," whether in dog-show terms, in dogsled racing, or whatever, creates a situation in which the best is definitely the enemy of the good. The endless repetition of the inbreeding/selection cycle in the quest for a dog that is better than last year's best, has systematically stripped away most of the healthy genetic diversity from today's purebred dogs. Stringent, sustained selection for cosmetic ideals (shape, number and intensity of the Dalmatian's spots; shape and chiselling of the poodle's muzzle; subtleties of colour and markings in an endless series of breeds) or narrow ideals of performance or athleticism (top sprinting speed in racing greyhounds or racing sleddogs) have for many decades taken absolute precedence over breeding to provide the kind of "genetic outfit" that will allow the dog to be healthy and hardy. Now that canine diversity has been stripped to the point that homozygous recessive "defect" genes are everywhere apparent, the dog fancy proposes to remedy the situation by embarking upon a new level of elevated selection, armed with DNA marker testing to enable the wholesale "elimination" of "defective" genes. This new wave of super-selection on top of the already extant depauperisation may well become the killer wave that will sink the ship of purebred dogdom, AKC, CKC, and The Kennel Club with it. DNA testing has become a growth industry. This all may be more about corporate profits and grant money, than about canine genetic health. It is up to breeders to have the common sense to realise that what is being proposed is a losing game, that already depauperate purebred breed genomes will not support further massive artificial selection and the consequent wholesale elimination of yet more genetic diversity. The "defect" genes cannot be excised with a scalpel; many other genes that happen to reside on the same chromosomes will go right along with the defects, with totally unforeseeable consequences. Conclusion In conclusion, let me say that, although this set of guidelines cannot be made into hard and fast rules or (worse yet) regulations -- because the situations of each individual dog breed and even each breeder are different -- yet I believe we all need faithfully to attempt to apply such principles as those discussed above, in order that our dogs may have long, healthy lives upon the earth. We have made them whatever they are today; we are responsible for and to them. We should therefore strive to be faithful and responsible stewards of the genetic heritage of our canine friends. In that way we may hope that our bloodlines will endure longer in the dog world, and in the end we may even be remembered as pioneer 21st Century dog breeders who strove heroically to correct the errors of the past in the light of better knowledge of population genetics.

it is my understanding that they are a registered breed in UKC. Can you please show me where on the UKC web site it says this is a breed in developement? Maybe I missed it but they did not used to give Championships to breeds in developement. You can find the UKC web site on line.

Ask her! Califronia Dreaming...do you know that means? no Well back before Aussie were a 'real breed' ( using the 'if it isn't ANKC it's not a breed' and the 'what is the point' way of thinking) that is what Kennel club people used to say when ever they saw an aussie. Why California? not sure. I think they used to also call them California shepherds and there were also a lot of them in California, it might have also been the area where the orginal break away group who wanted AKC recognition were based ormaybe that is where ASCA was started but some reason I think that might have been Colorado. Really don't know, but I can remember the snide and nasty remarks and the under their breath singing of California dreaming like it was funny. Nasty lot they were to be that way about aussies, they are very nice dogs. BTW you want to see fighting, you should have seen the two sides go after each other, ASCA and USASC or what ever it is called.

Ask her! Califronia Dreaming...do you know that means?

They are already recognized in their country of origin, they are registered in UKC. BTW not everyone wants an ANKC registred dog, big surprise but it is true. The point is she wants the dog.

Busted, know you know! I am undercover, Kleenex lady is my code name.