kinsella

Is it a paper from a survey? Whatever. The level of paranoia (your term) is in line with flawed research tools and abysmal communication skills. Euphemisms give me the sh*ts and I'm too old to play semantics. This whole episode has been provocative with no balance at all.

I'm pleased to be corrected on that score.

No-one says anything about self-report surveys so I think the concerns that people have are blown way out of proportion. Oprah is not going to be telling us all that sighthounds are "timid killing machines on a leash" next week as she introduces her nobel prize winning guest, corvus You take a survey when you want a lot of data on the cheap. Then you want to drill down and figure out which factors appear to be significant. Then, if you are inclined, you do something more objective to determine the truth of the significant bits. To do this you start with the idea that what you saw was a chance event, someone farted in the wrong direction and stank up your data. You can't infer anything from self-report survey data. Especially on-line data. Especially on-line data taken from members of special interest fora. It's essentially exploratory data. The thread topic is regrettable, but who is going to take that seriously? It becomes evident from page 1 that this is a conception of an idea extrapolated from the data that requires extra input, because on face-value it seems implausible. Thank you so much for the first laugh I've had in this shoddy example of "research on the cheap" The original survey I half finished but saw no value in wasting my time completing it. It was either so broad a brush stroke as to be ambiguous or so narrow a choice as to be totally incorrect. I'll stand up here and now with a sighthound who disdains outside contact. He never trembles or quivers - simply refuses to be handled by riff raff. Partly due to a lesser amount of socialisation that is desirable and the rest comes from genetics eg very old, obscure Irish lines bred sparingly and for purpose only - hunting. Is he timid? Not what I would call him but he isn't the usual any more in IW. And yet, it used to be the norm. Back to this travesty of a paper, would like a copy in case I run out of firestarters again. So far from truth and balance as is possible. Oh, and it wouldn't have anything to do with poking pf with a stick last week, would it corvus? I'd hate to think a researcher let personal opinion colour any attempt at a paper that will change the way we see sighthounds.

I am always wary of research done in a confrontational format. Why start any thread off with a poorly supported statement and expect logical input from those you have just irritated with a sweeping generalisation? Poorly done and no useful data gleaned from this that I can see. JMHO.

When I was looking at getting my first IW many years ago, all I knew was he had to be grey - a proper iw. Needless to say, all on offer was a fawn. Which I took and never regretted. Maybe people should be more realistic in expectations for a pet or not so shallow as some appear. To me it's a bit like the colour of a new car, only important while deciding and it matters less and less as time goes by.

I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement. Are you after money, goods or both? Please say money because my fee is 60% of what you win and I'm buggered if I want any more fleabags from Deshonko. That's how they've been paying me for years.

:rofl: - what does that make me & Persephone - we both got it straight away! Intelligent, witty, charming and very quick on the uptake There are days that my sense of humour (or appreciation of the ridiculous) is all that keeps me upright. The truly scary thing about this topic is that all our posts are based in fact not fiction. Laughing is our only salvation from despair.

While ever we have such prolific clients such as Deshonko our law firm will flourish. Either for them or against them - we don't care. We share the same ethical flexibility as them. I think I just dated myself as an ageing baby boomer.

is there any mention in the small print of the ideal temperature range for optimum operation? if not, there should be! Yes, there is a disclaimer re temperature on all Deshonko receipts. You just have to moisten it with lemon juice,heat it and hold it up to a mirror with a magnifer.:rolleyes: Signed Junior Partner, Martin, Barton, Startin and Far..go Law Firm for the Dedicated Breeder.

Oh bugger!! Seemed like a really good idea. Wait a minute, did you say it was so well trained you couldn't get it to walk on the other side? Bloody Deshonko. If it was me, I'd say they had made the dog untrainable to suit your needs. You didn't sign a contract, did you?? Thanks for the giggle, taking my bad bones to bed for tomorrow is another day in the wonderful world of DOL

Oh wait, I know, I know!!! Walk backwards!!! Yeah, I'm sure that will do the trick

I'm sorry, but I'm sure there is a need for photographic proof. Wonderful mental image

No but if you buy two, you get this additional bonus offer!! Why the obsession with 2??? Is that why people have twins, so they can race them???

You want pink? Is this pink enough? Of course custom colours don't come cheap. :cool: Well, cut off my legs and call me "Shorty". Perfect match for my new car!!! I don't have to feed it, do I?

What's it like with the kiddies ? I'm tired of waiting for someone to ask the right question - does it come in PINK????

Nah. pet rock. Even less responsibility required.

The sad thing is that money has become a benchmark of commitment. And reading your posts scares me witless. You are the one that has harped on money, the rest of us put the dog first. I think this is where you roll your eyes again in lieu of legitimate dialogue.

Against my better judgement I have come back to watch this train wreck of a thread. PP, you paid $2500 for a dog you threw in the backyard and expected all to be rosy with little effort on your part., Considering the money, I know people on this forum who have spent so much more than that just to ease a loved dog's passing. You make my blood run cold.

I'm out of here (putting hands up and backing away) When I think of the dedication most of us have to our dogs, I can't believe you. Give it back, the dog doesn't need your room temperature commitment.

I think I'd feel a little more for your "predicament" if you even hinted at any responsibility for this mess. And fear of losing a deposit isn't duress, gee, I guess you're just not the sharpest tool in the shed.

What are you doing that the dog is barking all the time? And destroying your yard? This is generally the behaviour of a puppy not getting the attention and training needed. As for breeders having "all the rights", this has come about from too many puppy purchasers showing tepid commitment to their dog with the end result of untrained pups being placed in unacceptable situations.JMNSHO and I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong.

I keep popping back in here to see if there's any good news. I have you in my thoughts, I can't imagine how you feel.Hopefully today was your last day without them.

I chose to have him desexed because we are getting a Dobermann bitch early next year and if she turns out nicely she will remain entire for at least a few years and as our male Dobe is still entire (he will have the implant when she arrives so no hanky panky between them) I felt it would be one less silly male to deal with when she comes in to season. I also usually keep my dogs entire but I'm trying to lessen the testosterone in the pack before introducing an entire female, thereby hopefully avoiding any 'issues' between the 2 boys. I think this is very much a breed decision. Some breeds, like Irish Wolfhounds, are not ruled by their gonads and can remain entire without issue. I've had up to 3 entire males sharing a house with some used for stud with no conflict.Some terriers, for example, are very much victim to their testosterone level with accompaning aggro, marking and continual assertion of dominance. Like many questions on this forum, there is no "one size fits all" answer.

I think a lot depends on the dog prior to castration and how much a victim of his testosterone he was. Our first Aussie Terrier wasn't neutered until about two and a half years of age. He was a dominant, feisty little blighter before the procedure and mellowed considerably afterwards. He became a lot more affectionate and not quite as "driven" for the want of a better word. Poor Spike always saw the world as a challenge when entire and was a real handful - eg not dog friendly or people friendly without being aggressive. Not a happy dog. This changed for the better and he was much happier in general. Oliver, new Aussie, was castrated at just under 6 months. He was a charming puppy before the snip and has remained just as sweet. Dog and people friendly and quite a cheerful dog. I can't speak for large dogs as mine have all stayed entire all their lives.

Take a bow, SM. Very well done and so lovely to hear a voice of reason in the midst of the mayhem. Congrats to you and Monty.