Rebanne

done, many thanks

well that's what I argued, no way people would be writing out hundreds of entry forms, maybe next year

I was told it creates a lot of work for the show secretary, they have to write out all the entry forms and address the return envelopes etc. I can't see any way around the addressing of the envelopes but would love to know if there is a way to get a suitable print out of entries so they don't have to be hand written. OVCC had it last year but not this year cause of those problems and as I am show secretary this year I am glad even though I use Ozentries myself.

I love that one me too

set your alarm to get up at least twice a night for the first few days so you can toilet puppy before he gets upset. have a ticking clock if possible. Leave towel or similar with breeder for a couple of days so it's well scented. Big cuddly teddy bear

Ovens Valley entries close on Friday, we've got group sashes for every group and I've ordered heaps of BOB and challenge certificates!

and don't forget the yummy food, those scones, jam and cream are to kill for

agree

or you could turn it around and say you failed the dog in your role of protecting him from being put in the postion that he needed to snap to the OP dogs do not have to be best buddies with all other dogs, why people think this I don't know. Dogs are pack animals and in the main, only associate with their pack, all outsiders were treated with caution and distrust. Sure people have manipulated dogs temperaments to be more accepting of strangers but dogs are still dogs.

all dog breeders? even the puppy farmers? so in your opinion all breeders are important and all make their contribution. I will make it easier for you to answer and only ask one question. do you really include all dog breeders in your above statement What you want is to make me judge and cast blame on other dog breeders. You want to make me say I think some breeder is a bad person. Just the idea that I wil not do this seems to really upset you. I am not going to speak about other breeders in meaningless negative general terms. This is where we are different and what the topic is all about. I actually thank you for your participation as I think this has driven home the problem very well. nope not upset with your answer just less then impressed with your reluctance to actually answer the question. I was not the only one asking the same thing. I'm glad you think all breeders are above reproach, oh hang on you don't think that at all, just the working sheep dog people, the rest of us need the Uni's and the RSPCA to tell us how to do it better.

all dog breeders? even the puppy farmers? so in your opinion all breeders are important and all make their contribution. I will make it easier for you to answer and only ask one question. do you really include all dog breeders in your above statement

Stand along side them where? Like in chruch? or like in court testifying, or in the breed ring? Next one needs more clarification. Does it have to be all of those things or just some of them or even one of them. For example, my neighbor keeps his sheepdogs in pens, and they spend most of their day in the paddocks, they do not health test, but they do have vet care. I do not think he is a puppy farmer. In the past 9 years he has only had one litter, his dogs are well treated, enjoy their life, are fed well and are really very happy. This family has had this line of dogs back to the early 1900's and they even go back to the mid 1800 breeding sheep dogs, they are so interesting to talk to about dogs. Would you consider that a puppy farm? I gave my defintion of a puppy farmer, which does not fit with what your farmer friend is doing so please stop with the red herrings. I am refering to your comment that I originally quoted, with the main sentence bolded, but it appears you do not wish to answer to it.

There's nothing in there about the intent of the rant article. You may be misreading the intent since people can only go on what's written. My reading of it may be wrong but so may yours. The intent as you call it is where it should be in the first few lines, at least that was how I was taught, Here is it Breeder-bashing isn't a new concept. However, with our rights to breed dogs under constant attack from the animal rights terrorists, led by none other than The Humane Society of The United States (which is in no way, shape or form a "real humane society", but rather an extreme animal rights organization), one would think that dog breeders could find some common ground, stick together, and dispense with the superiority complexes. No such luck. That means, it is about her frustration with the way breeders go about bashing each other, only feeding people like you who have a lot of complaits about purebred dog breeders. Hope that helps. No, because she doesn't specify the type of breeder, whether registered, puppyfarmer or BYB. Do you intend to stand shoulder to shoulder with the two latter or indeed, unethical registered breeders? Like it or not,they are all breeders and maybe there just might be some common ground. How can the author presume to draw clear lines between them when the collective Dol has never been able to? Why would she leave out half the equation from her critism? Should it apply only to you? your kidding right? There is no common ground with me and my dogs and a puppy farmer, unless your claim is that we both produce puppies. But that's where it ends.

all dog breeders? even the puppy farmers? have I missed your answer to my questions? No I did not see your question. If you want to define exactly what you are calling a puppy farmer is then I can answer your question. first question was all dog breeders, are you happy to stand alongside all dog breeders? second question was even the puppy farmers and my definiton of puppy farmer is the type that keep the dogs in runs/cages/paddocks with minimum standards of care, poor quality of food, bred every season, no health testing etc. The types featured on the news occasionally.

I thought it was Mortgage Choice? I could be wrong don't know, I look at the dogs

theres a beagle for some insurance company

all dog breeders? even the puppy farmers? have I missed your answer to my questions?

but you don't really know what she meant unless she is your best buddy and talked about this stuff with you

personally if you allow your dog to be used then I consider you a breeder and the onus is on you to present your dog in the best possible way and any health testing that should be done for your breed, would have been done. That you will only allow your dog to be used over suitable bitches that meet your standard. That you are happy your dog can contribute to the breed in a positive way. I understand what you are saying, but...I have already said that I don't have the knowledge to breed to the standard I want in a dog, choose a suitable stud/bitch or to be sure that offspring would be a positive contribution to the breed. If I were ever to do this (LOL, not likely for a long time since every dog I currently own is sterilised), it would be on the advice & faith in someone who did have this knowledge...not sure if that would make me a breeder or not... In my book it does, even if you go with what your mentor is telling you. It does take two to tango after all I suspect your poll is aimed more at bitch owners though since they do most of the hard yards but owners of stud dogs also have their responsiblities to the breed.

personally if you allow your dog to be used then I consider you a breeder and the onus is on you to present your dog in the best possible way and any health testing that should be done for your breed, would have been done. That you will only allow your dog to be used over suitable bitches that meet your standard. That you are happy your dog can contribute to the breed in a positive way. I am a breeder because I believe the breed needed more people to do so, I am a guardian of the breed, I am doing my best to ensure my breed lives on, fit and healthy. Companion was my 1st reason to get my breed, second was to show, breeding was a long way down the track.

:D You are confused that I hold two different plans of action for 2 different registies, breeds, and breeders? Well I am only following what has been said by the OP about the other breed. Some pretty bad breeders are in the kennel club, so clearly something drastic needs to be done. The Unis and RSPCA have been trying to come up with some plans to protect these breeds and work with the orgnizations that are having these sorts of problems, so that is what I would sugest they follow. 10 point plan and so forth On the second group ISDS, I know this group well and they are very concerned and ethical breeders, working in the best interests of the breed. No one outside the group would have the knowledge and skills with the breed that they have, so it is best to leave them to do what they know how to do best, breed great dogs. Does that help? nope, all I see is a double standard. The breed you know best is above reproach so should never be checked up on, others who aren't up to your standard should be pinned down with even more rules and regulations.

I was told by Lew that if the diet was over 50 % dry food then there was a risk of upsetting the cal/phos balance by adding raw bones. Think I have the percentage right. This was a couple of years ago when I joined her list. I've followed Lew for a few years now but didn't get much feedback at all when I was asking my questions on her list.

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all dog breeders? even the puppy farmers?