Rebanne

I am curious though now, do you recall how many was entered at last years show? entries overall were down about 50 each day,last year they had ozentries, this year they did not. Going back over some old catalogues, last weekends entires were in line with others, the ozentry weekend was the odd one out. But I think we will be using ozentries next year, definitly not confirmed at this stage though!

Actually no I am not, I have no reason to be I was merely pointing out that listing the neuter entries of the first Victorian club to host the neuter class and stating you haven't seen new exhibitors is of no surprise as 1. It is still not widely known about especially in Victoria and 2. It's too far to expect new exhibitors to go for their first show, hence why I would say all neuters also had a few entire entries attached as well. I would say that OVCC, actually received more entries (and not just the extra 8/9 neuter entries either) for offering the class than if they hadn't as others had already posted that was the reason they went that far. It does seem OVCC did get more entries then we would have because of the neuter class but the club doesn't know that. ( I will tell them at our meeting on Sunday) and I travelled for well over 3 hours as a brand new exhibitor when Fern was 3 months and 1 day old for our very first show I certainly hope OVCC is not the only all breed club in Vic to ever hold the neuter class!

true ? what do you mean ? Do you have real proof that this happened not just the word of someone who doesn't want to speak to anyone about it? Are you sure it is not just a story to cover the getting rid of a pup? yes this is what I meant

You need to find out if it is true before going global with it.

it's his house, his rules

And that's fine Rebanne, but this was not filmed in Australia and has nothing to do with off-leash/on-lead dog areas in this country. true but my point was even very highly trained dogs, like these are, can and do get get distracted and it only takes a second for something to happen. I possibly wouldn't have even noticed if it hadn't been so hotly debated these last few days I also noticed how each dog that greeted him was rolled over, I found that very interesting, plus they all seemed to occupy the same position when behind the bike, well the fawn/red ones did, the black and tans was a bit hard to tell.

sorry but your dog doesn't need to go everywhere with you and I don't feel you are respecting other peoples choices. Dog would be fine sleeping on an enclosed deck.

No dog is. What this video is supposed to highlight is the fact that 'sleddogs' can be trained to be off-lead and can be totally dedicated to their owner. Go ahead and pick it to pieces, doesn't bother me, but for anyone to be less than impressed by what this 'team' have achieved through training, well, you would be in the minority I think. whatever but considering some of the hot topics lately which includes a poster thinking just because they think they have a perfectly controled dog leash laws are beneath them, a little mention of the dogs in the video that got distracted for a second is worth you accusing me of picking it to pieces.

I noticed that, I also noticed a couple of dogs did get distracted so they are not fool proof. I thought it was great to a certain extent but I did wonder how many he has lost to traffic and I certainly couldn't help but feel for an unsuspecting walker, with or without a dog, faced with 16 loose dog barrelling down on top of you. As has been noted several times very recently in other threads, how is the other person to know those dogs are under pretty good control? So while I appreciated most of the video I also thought it had some poor bits.

For me it's no doubt based on what I've seen in suburbia with little dogs on extenda leads who suddenly dart onto the road, and whenever I drive by one I'm really conscious it could happen right infront of me. I just dont like them and would never use one. incorrect use of equipment, not the equipment itself

I have no problem with extander leads used properly. Have used one myself in the past. As it is with most things it all depends on the person actually operating the "whatever".

I'm not sure how all these threads turn into ones about Dexter but I must admit he looked cute in my dog yard!

don't scrimp on the tests, they are your best guide to getting a litter

:p did you have nothing better to do thanks for the tip and the test I use cheap lino from the warehouse but I might add a tablecloth as well

A club has no idea someone entered or didn't enter a particular show because they did or didn't offer neuter class. Someone suggested earlier that notes to the shows you went to plus the ones you drove past might be the way to wake some committees up. I will certainly take it back to mine.

agree

I was just trying to give a clubs perspective. I was very very surprised to find out the OVCC was the very first all breeds club in Vic offering the class. It's 9 months since it's been available and a very small club is the first. I'm all for neuter classes as long as the standard of dog entering is up to scratch. I might have started showing years ago if neuter had been available way back then. But if neuter classes are to stay then both shows offering the class, and entries supporting it must grow, or it's doomed.

Does it really matter if they are "clearly" pets? If it brings more people into the show ring who cares? It should be encouraged after all isn't show numbers dropping and there are clearly pets being shown entire as well..... Yes it does be it Neuter or an All Breeds Show - The judge has to sign a certificate that says "I am clearly of the opinion that this exhibit is of such outstanding merit as to be worthy to qualify for the title of 'Champion'" Then I guess it's up to the judge whether or not to award the dog isn't it? More than likely though unless the dog has a DQ fault they will award it and I would guess they would be lenient towards the neuters as majority are pets. The owners may then decide to want to compete in the entire classes (well if treated nice enough) and get a show quality puppy. Nice to know that fellow exhibitors still feel the need to bitch about the neuters as well :p Neuter classes are like a stepping stone for pet owners and should be encourage to exhibited their "pet". I have to say I disagree with this. I still think a neutered dog being exhibited should be good enough to be exhibited if entire. I think neuter classes are for people wanting to show but not wanting to keep an entire animal. And yes there are entire dogs being shown that shouldn't be. I also think all show dogs should be pets, mine are

it is advised by VIC Dog to order your cards 3 months before your show, which I did. I will compare the sashes from your supplier and mine :p Always happy to find something cheaper as long as the quality it good.

OVCC decided it was important to offer and we found a way to cover the costs. As for the costs of the sashes, we had good sashes and they were close to $10 a sash, then there was the prize as well.

I have very rarely boarded my dogs but there is no way I would allow any of mine to play with unknown dogs with unknown people supervising. My dogs are boarded for safety not for socialisation and playtime.

Try approaching the local vet clinics to sponsor a NIG sash. :p our costs were covered thanks itsmeg, but I will ask the vets next year as well, good idea. I suggest to all those screaming for neuter classes you put your money where your mouth is and start approaching clubs close to you with the offer to sponsor a sash. Some clubs can afford to cover the costs, others can't, and at this point in time there is a cost to a club to run the classes. I know you shouldn't have to donate but at this stage the classes aren't covering the costs. As I said previously, OVCC will run them again next year, it is acknowledged that it will take time to build entries up but if they don't the pin will be pulled. So offer to donate to clubs, join a club or two, write a few letters and push the point. The actual paperwork etc isn't hard, it's the costs to the clubs.

thanks CC. Just trying to see if we can please more people but I know we won't please them all

Ovens Valley are running neuter classes again next year but if the entries have not improved by then I will quite likely go home and cry. And one entry fee does not cover the cost of the BNIG sash plus prize that has to be provided. We were very lucky to have all BNIG sashes donated by either Doler's ( thanks Spikes Puppy, Dyzney, Bilbo Baggins) or club members. I donated the BIS sashes. So club members were not only giving of their time but of their cash as well. A couple of the groups did have 2 entries so yes the cost of sash and prize was covered, some had only one, cost was not covered, some had none so again cost was not covered. Sashes have to be ordered weeks before a show, can't wait until we see what entries we get. Sashes not used this year can be used next year. But if they hadn't been sponsored the club would have had to bear that cost and lost money on running the class. You don't lose money on the other BIG's or CIG's. I am only talking about BNIG sashes and prizes, not the BOB and Challenge ribbons.

Thanks everyone. I thought it went pretty well also but I can't claim credit for the weather . Yeah there were a couple of bloopers, I reckon it wouldn't be a dog show without some but since it was my first time as secretary it could have been a lot worse! Got a few ideas spinning around in space, fine tune a couple of things, pre empt some others, improve a bit here and there. And 12 months to do it all in