Rebanne

It is quite possible for the pup to have been in perfect health when sold with the murmur appearing later but as the pup was not examined properly by the owners vet who knows when it did appear? Maybe the breeders vet did miss it, it's possible. But the owners vet, by not bothering to carry out a basic examination when presented with a unknown pup, has done the owners no favours. According to the OP diagnosis was around the 6 month mark, 4 months after the pup was purchased, if pup went to new home at 8 weeks, which seems likely seeing as how pup had 2 vaccinations with new owner. And no vet check at either VCA can say what they want, this is between the breeder and the owner.

Some murmers can and do just appear and they can go away. Can be caused by a simple infection that an owner might not even notice. Had it happen to one of mine when she was around 5 or 6, wasn't there on any vet checks, was suddenly there on one vet check, gone the next. Granted it was only a mild one but even the more serious can pop up later in life.

might have to tell all my large breed dogs over the last 20 or more years how bad I was/am for feeding them chicken necks

the same vet that didn't bother to check the pup before vaccinating her? any vet that can't be bothered to check out a baby puppy before vaccinating it is not one I would put a lot of faith in.

yes they can. Illness can cause a heart murmer.

How much compensation etc would depend on several things. If the dog had such a bad heart murmer I am surprised nothing was picked up by any one until the dog was 9 months of age. Which leads to questions on whether the dog was born with it or had an illness which affected the heart. The answers to those questions and others can only be supplied by the people directly involved. Not by 3rd parties who have only heard one side. However, if the breeder has had the dog back for 3 months then some sort of arrangement should have been made and concluded by now.

haven't walked my dogs off lead in parkland for years and years. I have often carried a riding crop when walking my dogs on lead in parkland and am not afraid to use it on another dog. Just as well I prefer to avoid parkland and let my dogs run in an enclosed area where we are the only ones or I might have progressed to something more forceful by now.

quite a few by the looks

Guess I will have to check out a dog tub. Thanks Dxenion. With 3 dogs that could do with some, horse tub is a much better option!

I can see the ingredient's and % of the horse one, having a tougher time finding the dog one on line.

Is the stuff made for horses the same as the dog stuff? Cause it's much cheaper to buy the 1.5 kilo for horses to use on the dogs

I have 4 of these, dogs and cats all give them a thumb's up. They never feel more than slightly warm to the hand, the animals weight helps get the heat up.

I leave coats on my dogs when they are outside and I am at work.

no, that is your choice if you choose to ignore your breeder's advice. Unless you have been in the breed for a few years, owned a few of the breed and at least studied the breed in the ring or the field, actually health tested etc, what on earth makes you think your judgement is better?

I've got 4 heated pet beds, 2 big enough for the greys, 2 which are supposed to be for the cats but they all share.

and limited register does not mean second best either

The only thing I found out about the rule on the VCA website is what has been previously broadcast. Can't show a bitch past 4 weeks in whelp and after the pups are 10 weeks old unless you have a vet certificate saying bitch is healthy and can be shown. Also found a rule saying if you are an interstate member showing in Vic you have to abide by the VCA rules and regs. Not sure what happens if the VCA stuff differs to another state. And yes who regulates it? RSG has a very good point, pups can leaves at 8 weeks, why does a bitch have to stay home for another 2? Couldn't find the new rules about microchipping pups in Vic either. Very confusing

Had GSD's for years now have the greys. Can't see that changing at all. I like lots of other dogs and sometimes flirt with the idea of getting a different breed but the only one I really drool over is the Borzoi. Not likely to ever get one cause they need grooming, I'm not into grooming at all, but I can admire.

have to say I agree, the Myra Savant-Harris books are my bibles. I have other, very good books but I keep coming back to Myra.

the ruling about not showing a bitch until 10 weeks after whelping, is that Australia wide or only in Victoria? If it is only a Victorian rule can a person be penalised by showing their bitch in another state before the 10 weeks are up? I just want to know the ruling not whether or not it should be done thank you.

not in Melbourne

maybe you could give people a bit more information about yourself, where is the info going etc and provide a proper email address, rather then a "freebie' one

Lovely photo, so glad you are happy with your girl

Really it doesn't matter what any one on a forum thinks, you can tell the breeder all the responses but they mean nothing. Just cause one person says they would refund etc and another says suck it up, it's all pointless. It's like asking how long is a piece of string. We have only heard your side, it's a faceless forum, no one knows what is really going on or how you really reared the dog.

Bugger it, won't be able to catch up cause Ferny should have pups then, but if she doesn't we will come Looks like most of the Canberra Sighthound Mafia is planning to attend. OMG! runs away shrieking like a girl oh hang on I am a girl