Rebanne

Because you are questioning the way I placed bull breeds, if you have never had to deal with the stereotypes that come with bulls breeds or have to watch a breed you love close to being extinct then you wouldn't understand the levels people will go through to protect them and making sure they are not exposed to small animals is one of those ways to protect them. Years ago us bully lovers had to read about Germany taking 1,000s of dogs and killing them just because irresponsible owners didn't take the precautions to keep the breed safe so a few bad dogs got a ton of good dogs killed it was so sad. I have no problems taking advice and welcome it actually I have had to deal with stereotypes all my dog owning life by owning the breeds I have owned.

Have you ever owned an Am staff, pit bull or anything close? have you seen the fear in people's eyes when you walk them? Have you seen or heard what people say when one screams to get to another dog or cat? Why risk it when the breed is going to be extinct if people are not very careful on placing them. Lets put it this way, what if greyhounds were terrifying to the majority of people, and what if they are notorious for killing small animals even those trained not to or those raised with cats, what if each animal hurt by the breed was another nail in the coffin of this breed would you not want someone to be very careful on placing them? Would deem the dog aggressive because it wants to kill a cat? Or would you just prefer not to risk it and make sure you are educating the public and minimizing the risk that another animal can be hurt for the sake of the breed? Yes I know the laws about them never being off leash, I knew that GAP could get dogs their green collar. I also knew that even with a green collar they cant be off lead. I know the laws and have already put them in my book marks so that I can print them out to put in the go home packet for adopters. I knew you could get them green collars but was unsure if we should do it before adoption or let the adopters go through with it. I had also lost the link on the exact place to have it done. I am certainly glad that these two large rescues were absolutely perfect and never made a mistake or had t learn anything they must have been born with the laws in grained into them wish I could have been born that way. What has owning a bull breed got to do with anything? I have owned GSD's and Greyhound and yes I have had people look at them with terror in their eyes and nearly fall over themselves rushing to get to the other side of the street. Greyhounds are hunters, bred to kill game from deer down. I didn't say GAP or GSN were perfect nor had never made mistakes but they have been around for a long time now and you could learn from them.

The first quote certainly gives the impression that you were placing very aggressive dogs. You can give all the assurances you want but no-one knows you and from your earlier posts you did not come across as being very dog savvy at all. You didn't even seem aware of the state laws that govern greyhounds and their green collars and who can assess the dog and give them the collar. Do you know that in Victoria greyhounds can never be let off lead in a public place, including off lead dog parks and wearing their green collar? This is my breed, I love it dearly, and I have seen first hand the efforts made to get greyhound adoption to where it is in this state. And I will query anyone that comes in wanting to reinvent the wheel when there are 2 excellent groups doing a world of good and crying out for foster carers.

No I wont have the same restrictions on the greyhounds as we did on the Am Staffs. Many greyhounds can and do get along with cats and small animals. If they dont test well with my cat they simply will be re homed with a family with no cats or plan to get cats. With the children there are to many variables to put a blanket decision on all the dogs. My kids were raised around rescue so they know the ins and outs, they love it and do understand that sometimes we can get a dog that is too far gone to be helped. As someone who has had greyhounds and cats living together for a few years now, fosters and owned, racebred and showbred, I am aware how quickly a dog can turn on a cat when it is seemingly ok. So I am curious on what your back up plan is if your foster greyhound proved non cat safe after a couple of weeks time; what will you do with it? You can't adopt it out to a non cat home if you don't already have one lined up, sometimes it takes months for the right home to turn up. So what of your poor cat? I had a non cat safe dog here once for 3 days, was horrible for the dog, the cats, the people, but as I was a foster carer the dog was able to be moved on and made a wonderful pet for someone cat free. The dog would come back if the adopter couldnt handle it. I have had dogs that would love to kill a cat in my rescue when I had a cat its doable not easy but doable and am prepared to deal with this. I had a cattle dog once that was feral for 5 years, put into a kennel and then got shipped to us. He didnt like children or cats we assessed him and found that he was willing to learn he just didnt know anything from being wild. He did take a year in our care but turned out to be a beautiful well behaved dog. He was adopted out to a family and did very well never a problem but the owners who took him knew everything about him we held nothing back we never do we tell the adopters everything. We keep records of everything pertaining to health and behavior all this is passed on in a file with the dogs. I'm sorry but I am asking what happens if you have a non cat safe dog in your care? What do you do with the dog? It seems you are prepared to risk your cat for the sake of the dog. I didn't ask for stories about some cattle dog you had in the past and what info you passed on to his adopters.

No I wont have the same restrictions on the greyhounds as we did on the Am Staffs. Many greyhounds can and do get along with cats and small animals. If they dont test well with my cat they simply will be re homed with a family with no cats or plan to get cats. With the children there are to many variables to put a blanket decision on all the dogs. My kids were raised around rescue so they know the ins and outs, they love it and do understand that sometimes we can get a dog that is too far gone to be helped. As someone who has had greyhounds and cats living together for a few years now, fosters and owned, racebred and showbred, I am aware how quickly a dog can turn on a cat when it is seemingly ok. So I am curious on what your back up plan is if your foster greyhound proved non cat safe after a couple of weeks time; what will you do with it? You can't adopt it out to a non cat home if you don't already have one lined up, sometimes it takes months for the right home to turn up. So what of your poor cat? I had a non cat safe dog here once for 3 days, was horrible for the dog, the cats, the people, but as I was a foster carer the dog was able to be moved on and made a wonderful pet for someone cat free.

I would never say anything to reflect badly on any rescue group. So the dogs that are dying while waiting for a spot in the larger groups arent a good reason to help them? I know that there are dog being PTS simply because they are out of time at the kennel and other rescues have no room for them and the wait can be 6 months or more. We will be getting all the laws and regulations we need to stick by this week. We have no intention of breaking any laws or placing dogs in homes that would be a danger to them or the breed. Here I thought victoria was different but I guess its not, I guess some still see rescues as a competition which is sad because its not rescues should never feel they need to compete doesnt do much for the big picture. How do you see us as competing against other groups? These are dogs that they couldnt take any way so wouldnt that be helping in stead of competing. If there are dogs dying because they cant get into a rescue isnt that a need? What if there was a group that could just save 2 or 3 dogs a month thats more dogs saved and not put to death just because there was no room at the rescues. lack of foster carers is what hold up the works - for all rescues. will you have the same restrictions on the greyhounds as you did the amstaff's - owned home, no neighbours with other pets? What will you do with your rescue dog if it turns out not suitable with your kids or cat? Sometimes their true personality takes a while to shine through. What's your back up plan? And I'm not a rescue, no competition to me, but I am very aware of how hard groups like GAP and GSN have had to fight for the greyhound and I am very cautious when someone new comes on the scene promising all sorts of stuff. Greyhounds have a lot to lose.

what happened if they moved? Look at GAP and GSN closely. Might not be any need to reinvent the wheel. GAP are the only ones who can issue a green collar in Victoria. And what if neighbours changed, bought a new pet, had someone to stay with a small pet and so on? I would consider such aggressive dogs - no matter what breed - to be unrehomable. They would be euthanased in my rescue - that would be the responsible thing to do because no matter how hard you may have tried, you are putting a very aggressive dog back into the community which is placing everyone else and their pets at risk. Most of the Am Staffs were ok with smaller animals but it was a risk that I wasnt willing to take because the breed is in trouble and even one chasing another dog was bad. We never had an issue, and the people who adopted from us were well educated and understood responsible bull breed ownership. So no one moved and the neighbours didn't either, nor did the neighbours themselves get a small pet? I'm trying to understand your original statement and your answer to the questions that have been raised by that statement.

what happened if they moved? Look at GAP and GSN closely. Might not be any need to reinvent the wheel. GAP are the only ones who can issue a green collar in Victoria.

I have a puppy buyer that has cut off all contact, so it cuts both ways.

a very sensible approach

I would expect that they will say they will take a dog back and that if they can't immediately take the dog, that they have a plan in place. You can come up with as many scenarios as you like, Steve, but there's nothing like a bit of planning. And ETA: why is it just an 'I don't want the dog anymore' scenario? There are plenty of legitimate reasons for needing to rehome. and there are plenty of legitimate reasons why a breeder would not take back into their own home a dog they bred. I would not take back any dog I bred unless they were cat safe. My cat is important to me too.

and that's how most people got their prefix as well. It's only changed in some states in the last 5 years or so.

thank you, yes I saw the parents papers or papers I believed to be for the parents it wasn't until she'd been here awhile that we started thinking, she wasn't purebred (vet confirmed this down the track) but by then she was our dog and we loved her regardless. No nothing arrived when I tried to check with the breeder in case they sort of got"lost in the mail" they didn't respond to calls / texts / emails. even drove there once but no one answered the door. Yes, but did you ring Dogs Queensland and ask if these people were current members. Did you ask to see their current membership card ?. Did you go to dog shows and speak to other breeders to ascertain that these people were regular breeders ?. ease up, how would they know they were supposed to do all that?

:laugh: mine wouldn't cope either. mine would just sleep on my bed and occasionally get up to look over the babygate directly into the loungeroom.

These people aren't just visiting for a couple of hours; they plan on staying. I'm not stupid. I know that and it still won't kill the dog to be confined. My dogs would live very happily in my bedroom for days at a time.

I don't think there is one unless you have a breed that has mandatory health tests.

that's quite an early pic, maybe before he'd had much training?

agree

you only need one C3 after 12 weeks of age. Then the dog is fully covered for the next 12 months.

totally agree

but it's your Mum's house so you possibly didn't have much choice anyway. Same as you couldn't take your in season bitch in the car because it wasn't your car.

wash and brush the dog, then suck it up and confine him to your bedroom or somewhere. It won't kill the dog to be confined and your bro and sil can then see you are happy to meet them part way. My dogs are often confined behind a baby gate or put outside when I have visitors. Even doggy people cause otherwsie they hog the furniture and the people have nowhere to sit.

I quickly threw together some bunnings compost sides last night as I was worried about taking the soft crates. The dogs loved it, next outing I will bring shade cloth and pegs to make a lid, not that they tried to get out except for Fern once and she was only half hearted. ETA: we actually had to have solid sides up for an hour or two this morning at Kilmore!

Mine get fed much later, usually 8 or 9ish in this weather and they eat it all, even dry food.