Rebanne

yes, the 25 points after 12 months is no longer required. Is it still required for neuter dogs?

twice a day, equal sizes mostly

you seem to be the only one who has inside info donatella, everybody else can only go by what is posted, which is true for 99% of threads on DOL. People can only respond to what is posted.

Hasn't answered mine either. I won't be holding my breath waiting for an answer.

pet grade has perservatives etc added to it. Where I live it used be from downed cows etc that the pet shop owner himself went out and shot. No idea what happens now but I would never feed pet grade to my animals.

Thing to watch out for is that the numbers are not wholly accurate. In the stats link for the year 2000 they have 183 greyhounds down as being registered, yet in the ANKC data base they only have 57, where did the rest go? I query the 2010 figures as well but my copy of the data base only goes up to 2009.

http://www.murrumbatemancountryinn.com.au/ try here, decent rooms, good food, dogs stayed in the trailer, about 25 minutes from Canberra

Its in the foster hand out on a rescues site Well no way to prove it I guess well I can dig out the humane training certificates I have buried around here somewhere. I could give you the name and number to all the places I worked as references but thats a lot of work to prove to one person on the internet what I have accomplished in my life. No the rescue was an all breed rescue specializing in working dogs ACDs BCs were what mostly came in. Thats what we were thinking of doing I only asked if we should do the non profit for advice in case someone had a really good reason to go that route. So why is it your ok with a private rescue but not a charity rescue? I certainly hope its not about money because rescuing isnt a business adventure for me, and most of the time its your own money going into the dogs. Your certificates are of no interest to me. Greyhounds are not bull breeds or working dogs/mixes. So how many greyhounds have you owned? ETA rephrase, how many greyhounds have you had in your home

seems to have been missed by the OP. lack of foster carers is what increases waiting lists. Concerns me too.

The other group in Vic is GSN, Greyhound Safety Net and I actually do find it offensive that they have been mentioned several times by name but you just refer to them as the other rescue.

Yes I know, but usually when people sign a contract they try to stick to it. I am not sure why my asking people to do this equates to me not being a good rescue, I can tell you really really don't want us to do this I just cant understand why. Why are we so bad? Why are we not capable of running a good rescue and helping dogs. Do you give all new rescues this much trouble or just greyhound ones? I have been involved in dogs since I Was 15 and volunteering at a vet, I spent all my adult life working for vets, going to school to be a vet tech, working at shelters and humane societies, running rescues. I think maybe its just you dont understand how dedicated I am to helping animals its not a hobby for me its a passion. You need to read what I actually wrote and not imagine things. There are plenty of things for you to think about that you don't seem to have considered very well. Least of which is how your group is going to fill a different need to the others. Gap victoria do have a handle on what the laws are. They have been around longer than some of the laws that apply to organizations that sell dogs and have worked hard to successfully lobby for laws to improve to help greyhound adoption. If you are so dedicated and passionate about doing this well you shouldnt be taking such offence at people who are giving you good advice. I am not taking offense per say but all I am getting from your posts are dont do it your not good enough just foster for GAP or the other rescue. I have stated my plans and I dont think they are bad. I stated that we will be talking to the right people to make sure all the laws are being followed. I stated that there is a need in my eyes the need is to take the dogs that the other rescues cant take in due to space and that are dying, to me that is a need maybe not to others but I see it as a need good dogs dying because there isnt enough room You said I wasnt dog savvy yet I have outlined most of what I have done in my adult life with dogs which is a ton. I must have to go back and read your posts because what I have taken from your posts are not to do it and to foster which I posted why I wont. I have gotten good advice in this thread from others but your posts are not coming across as advice but rather picking at why we shoudl just forget the idea and go with fostering. That was me not Greytmate. And you didn't say anything at the beginning at all of your "experience" which, and I am not trying to be rude, but none of us know whether it is true or not. And other people have joined up here and came out all guns blazing claiming all sorts of things which turned out to be not true. Not just in the rescue forum either. To me you seem very inexperienced with sighthounds in general, greyhounds in particular. Sure you can learn but most people have to crawl before they walk, walk before they run. All your experience seems to be with bull breeds. It's why I think you should foster before anything else. Or do private adoptions. I knew someone who would get one greyhound at a time, do all the vet work and then find the right home for it. Funded privately by herself. I don't know anything about getting the various charity numbers etc but I can't imagine you get them for just you and hubby taking greyhounds from one trainer.

Are you planning taking your greyhound to GAP promotions? Cause I am not sure what other activities you mean? If you are then I suggest you make contact with GAP because I doubt you will be allowed. They can't allow an unknown dog to be put forward as part of a GAP event. If something was to go wrong, well it doesn't bear thinking about. If you are talking about some of the private walks sometimes advertised on GAP's website, that is different. Anyone can join them.

Maybe it's all the hard work other people have done over the last 15 or so years. The meet and greets while having coffee up the street, the yearly displays done at the local agi shows, the ads - radio, print and TV, the owners of adopted greys handing out business cards for GAP and GSN, talking the ear off anyone who stood still, the regular walks organised. Lots and lots of effort put in by lots and lots of greyhound people. Maybe thats right, so why is it harmful for more people to educate down here. I love talking dogs with people I dont understand this post to be honest You don't understand it?? You said people aren't scared to pat your greyhound, I replied that maybe it's because etc etc. In other words so many people have spent so much effort over quite a few years educating people about greyhounds that a lot of people nowadays know a lot more about greyhounds.

Maybe it's all the hard work other people have done over the last 15 or so years. The meet and greets while having coffee up the street, the yearly displays done at the local agi shows, the ads - radio, print and TV, the owners of adopted greys handing out business cards for GAP and GSN, talking the ear off anyone who stood still, the regular walks organised. Lots and lots of effort put in by lots and lots of greyhound people.

Because you are questioning the way I placed bull breeds, if you have never had to deal with the stereotypes that come with bulls breeds or have to watch a breed you love close to being extinct then you wouldn't understand the levels people will go through to protect them and making sure they are not exposed to small animals is one of those ways to protect them. Years ago us bully lovers had to read about Germany taking 1,000s of dogs and killing them just because irresponsible owners didn't take the precautions to keep the breed safe so a few bad dogs got a ton of good dogs killed it was so sad. I have no problems taking advice and welcome it actually I have had to deal with stereotypes all my dog owning life by owning the breeds I have owned.

Have you ever owned an Am staff, pit bull or anything close? have you seen the fear in people's eyes when you walk them? Have you seen or heard what people say when one screams to get to another dog or cat? Why risk it when the breed is going to be extinct if people are not very careful on placing them. Lets put it this way, what if greyhounds were terrifying to the majority of people, and what if they are notorious for killing small animals even those trained not to or those raised with cats, what if each animal hurt by the breed was another nail in the coffin of this breed would you not want someone to be very careful on placing them? Would deem the dog aggressive because it wants to kill a cat? Or would you just prefer not to risk it and make sure you are educating the public and minimizing the risk that another animal can be hurt for the sake of the breed? Yes I know the laws about them never being off leash, I knew that GAP could get dogs their green collar. I also knew that even with a green collar they cant be off lead. I know the laws and have already put them in my book marks so that I can print them out to put in the go home packet for adopters. I knew you could get them green collars but was unsure if we should do it before adoption or let the adopters go through with it. I had also lost the link on the exact place to have it done. I am certainly glad that these two large rescues were absolutely perfect and never made a mistake or had t learn anything they must have been born with the laws in grained into them wish I could have been born that way. What has owning a bull breed got to do with anything? I have owned GSD's and Greyhound and yes I have had people look at them with terror in their eyes and nearly fall over themselves rushing to get to the other side of the street. Greyhounds are hunters, bred to kill game from deer down. I didn't say GAP or GSN were perfect nor had never made mistakes but they have been around for a long time now and you could learn from them.

The first quote certainly gives the impression that you were placing very aggressive dogs. You can give all the assurances you want but no-one knows you and from your earlier posts you did not come across as being very dog savvy at all. You didn't even seem aware of the state laws that govern greyhounds and their green collars and who can assess the dog and give them the collar. Do you know that in Victoria greyhounds can never be let off lead in a public place, including off lead dog parks and wearing their green collar? This is my breed, I love it dearly, and I have seen first hand the efforts made to get greyhound adoption to where it is in this state. And I will query anyone that comes in wanting to reinvent the wheel when there are 2 excellent groups doing a world of good and crying out for foster carers.

No I wont have the same restrictions on the greyhounds as we did on the Am Staffs. Many greyhounds can and do get along with cats and small animals. If they dont test well with my cat they simply will be re homed with a family with no cats or plan to get cats. With the children there are to many variables to put a blanket decision on all the dogs. My kids were raised around rescue so they know the ins and outs, they love it and do understand that sometimes we can get a dog that is too far gone to be helped. As someone who has had greyhounds and cats living together for a few years now, fosters and owned, racebred and showbred, I am aware how quickly a dog can turn on a cat when it is seemingly ok. So I am curious on what your back up plan is if your foster greyhound proved non cat safe after a couple of weeks time; what will you do with it? You can't adopt it out to a non cat home if you don't already have one lined up, sometimes it takes months for the right home to turn up. So what of your poor cat? I had a non cat safe dog here once for 3 days, was horrible for the dog, the cats, the people, but as I was a foster carer the dog was able to be moved on and made a wonderful pet for someone cat free. The dog would come back if the adopter couldnt handle it. I have had dogs that would love to kill a cat in my rescue when I had a cat its doable not easy but doable and am prepared to deal with this. I had a cattle dog once that was feral for 5 years, put into a kennel and then got shipped to us. He didnt like children or cats we assessed him and found that he was willing to learn he just didnt know anything from being wild. He did take a year in our care but turned out to be a beautiful well behaved dog. He was adopted out to a family and did very well never a problem but the owners who took him knew everything about him we held nothing back we never do we tell the adopters everything. We keep records of everything pertaining to health and behavior all this is passed on in a file with the dogs. I'm sorry but I am asking what happens if you have a non cat safe dog in your care? What do you do with the dog? It seems you are prepared to risk your cat for the sake of the dog. I didn't ask for stories about some cattle dog you had in the past and what info you passed on to his adopters.

No I wont have the same restrictions on the greyhounds as we did on the Am Staffs. Many greyhounds can and do get along with cats and small animals. If they dont test well with my cat they simply will be re homed with a family with no cats or plan to get cats. With the children there are to many variables to put a blanket decision on all the dogs. My kids were raised around rescue so they know the ins and outs, they love it and do understand that sometimes we can get a dog that is too far gone to be helped. As someone who has had greyhounds and cats living together for a few years now, fosters and owned, racebred and showbred, I am aware how quickly a dog can turn on a cat when it is seemingly ok. So I am curious on what your back up plan is if your foster greyhound proved non cat safe after a couple of weeks time; what will you do with it? You can't adopt it out to a non cat home if you don't already have one lined up, sometimes it takes months for the right home to turn up. So what of your poor cat? I had a non cat safe dog here once for 3 days, was horrible for the dog, the cats, the people, but as I was a foster carer the dog was able to be moved on and made a wonderful pet for someone cat free.

I would never say anything to reflect badly on any rescue group. So the dogs that are dying while waiting for a spot in the larger groups arent a good reason to help them? I know that there are dog being PTS simply because they are out of time at the kennel and other rescues have no room for them and the wait can be 6 months or more. We will be getting all the laws and regulations we need to stick by this week. We have no intention of breaking any laws or placing dogs in homes that would be a danger to them or the breed. Here I thought victoria was different but I guess its not, I guess some still see rescues as a competition which is sad because its not rescues should never feel they need to compete doesnt do much for the big picture. How do you see us as competing against other groups? These are dogs that they couldnt take any way so wouldnt that be helping in stead of competing. If there are dogs dying because they cant get into a rescue isnt that a need? What if there was a group that could just save 2 or 3 dogs a month thats more dogs saved and not put to death just because there was no room at the rescues. lack of foster carers is what hold up the works - for all rescues. will you have the same restrictions on the greyhounds as you did the amstaff's - owned home, no neighbours with other pets? What will you do with your rescue dog if it turns out not suitable with your kids or cat? Sometimes their true personality takes a while to shine through. What's your back up plan? And I'm not a rescue, no competition to me, but I am very aware of how hard groups like GAP and GSN have had to fight for the greyhound and I am very cautious when someone new comes on the scene promising all sorts of stuff. Greyhounds have a lot to lose.

what happened if they moved? Look at GAP and GSN closely. Might not be any need to reinvent the wheel. GAP are the only ones who can issue a green collar in Victoria. And what if neighbours changed, bought a new pet, had someone to stay with a small pet and so on? I would consider such aggressive dogs - no matter what breed - to be unrehomable. They would be euthanased in my rescue - that would be the responsible thing to do because no matter how hard you may have tried, you are putting a very aggressive dog back into the community which is placing everyone else and their pets at risk. Most of the Am Staffs were ok with smaller animals but it was a risk that I wasnt willing to take because the breed is in trouble and even one chasing another dog was bad. We never had an issue, and the people who adopted from us were well educated and understood responsible bull breed ownership. So no one moved and the neighbours didn't either, nor did the neighbours themselves get a small pet? I'm trying to understand your original statement and your answer to the questions that have been raised by that statement.

what happened if they moved? Look at GAP and GSN closely. Might not be any need to reinvent the wheel. GAP are the only ones who can issue a green collar in Victoria.

I have a puppy buyer that has cut off all contact, so it cuts both ways.

a very sensible approach

I would expect that they will say they will take a dog back and that if they can't immediately take the dog, that they have a plan in place. You can come up with as many scenarios as you like, Steve, but there's nothing like a bit of planning. And ETA: why is it just an 'I don't want the dog anymore' scenario? There are plenty of legitimate reasons for needing to rehome. and there are plenty of legitimate reasons why a breeder would not take back into their own home a dog they bred. I would not take back any dog I bred unless they were cat safe. My cat is important to me too.