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mine didn't either, from anybody. Poor deprived babies :laugh:

do you have the means to keep dog and bitch apart when bitch is in season every 6 months?

oh yes, yes indeed and the chronic bad teeth that so many have. If not for their (usually pet owners) doing everything they could, how many would loose those teeth at an early age rendering them unable to hold their prey when they caught it. That's if they could eat enough food to keep them in peak condition. My heart dog Sam would walk away from his meals when his teeth hurt.

Provide some stats that suggest careless breeding (like.. 30% of show greyhounds carrying the gene for neuropathy- not being alive after 12 months definitely impacts on function) and then perhaps you'd have a valid argument. If being willing/able to chase well is not the breed's function, then I'm afraid I'm a little confused about what they're intended for. A dog needs to have drive, they need to have the ability to see that drive through. They are a hunting dog- see it, chase it, grab it. The vast majority of (racing bred) greyhounds I've dealt with have had sufficient drive and ability to do what they were intended for. Those that don't are not bred from. To be blunt here, this argument makes me distrustful of people who breed for show. If they are unwilling to admit (when it is painfully obvious) that they need to go back several steps to address some major issues, then they are either unable to look objectively at their breed (in which case, they shouldn't be breeding) or they are knowingly ignoring the issues (in which case, they shouldn't be breeding). I've asked before where you get your stats about greyhound neuropathy and you nver answered. I am asking again. Where do you get your information from? Greyhounds are tested before being bred or cleared by parentage. Not a single breeder of show greyhounds I know is ignoring neuropathy. Unlike the racing industry which will breed anything to anything in pursuit of the next big winner. I.E they don't care if the dog is blind by 7 from pannus, as long as it wins. Or the ones that suffer from arthritis by 5 because they were poorly conformed but they had the heart to run through the pain barrier, again and again. Not to mention the thousands detroyed before they get to the race track becuase they don't break in well enough or fast enough.

A lot of yard dogs with huge titles don't actually do any real farm work. Yep. And the fact that a dog will or won't chase a plastic bag says nothing about its ability to course game. Is that how they test dogs for lure coursing? the lure is a plastic bag oh, I didn't know that. I figured it would be a fake rabbit or something. You learn something new every day still no real test of the dogs hunting ability, some won't chase a fake anything, or even a real skin. They will however chase proper live game.

A lot of yard dogs with huge titles don't actually do any real farm work. Yep. And the fact that a dog will or won't chase a plastic bag says nothing about its ability to course game. Is that how they test dogs for lure coursing? the lure is a plastic bag

I know some wonderful bench kelpies that perform well in a lot of areas.. I just like my WKC kelpies, I like the variety of types and the colours are less restrictive :D what are the extra colours you can get in a working line kelpie? The standard has 7. I like white on the red and tan. Also it's harder to find the red and tans and black and tan in bench, most seem to breed to solids. Which I understand as they'd go better in conformation classes I would imagine. so are there more colours or not? You said the colours are less restrictive and and only mention you like a red tri.

I know some wonderful bench kelpies that perform well in a lot of areas.. I just like my WKC kelpies, I like the variety of types and the colours are less restrictive :D what are the extra colours you can get in a working line kelpie? The standard has 7.

Your right a lot of people prefer to not deal with the coats and working BCs dont get the same coat as barbie collies. I would never have dreamed of using a long coated BC while I was working on the cattle farm much too much to deal with and a barbie collie wouldnt be able to work the same way, wet hair can get heavy if your dog needs to run through mud or any type of water its going to get heavy with the barbie collies coats. I have yet to meet anyone who works a barbie collie in any fashion other than trials on nice fluffy grass. Some breeds its fads, I have had a dog pulled out by a judge and point out what a beautiful representation of the breed my dog was absolutely perfect in every way. She then placed her 3rd after a 90 pound dog when the breed standard reads that the preferred weight was a lot less than 90 pounds my girl was 37 pounds could you be anymore insulting with your constant references to barbie collies and they perfect dog has yet to be bred.

I know of one litter, not greyhounds, the bitch had way more then expected, seemed finished, had her vet check, then delievered the last one on the back seat of the car on the way home. Owner not amused as car was 2 weeks old. Not sure how many hours between but a few.

I don't know, extra hair can become a problem with herding a hunting breeds, overheating, hindering movement, collecting seeds and burrs etc and not being able to see. I think that's why the more extreme versions of some breeds should be kept in the show ring. By all means breed them if you want but they aren't built for their original purpose anymore. Everything is exaggerated beyond use. if they were being used for work most of that extra hair would be pulled out as they ran through the brush etc. It certainly wouldn't be looked after like they were going to a show next weekend, so most dogs wouldn't have the huge coat.

Congratulations! Good job Luna.

Not exactly sure how a kennel is a better bed than a well set up crate - which is all it seems OP is talking about. As a long term containment method yes a kennel and secure run is better than a crate. Our dogs have runs with kennels where they are during the day when there's no one home or when they need to be separated. At night, they're crated on the patio (or loose inside). They can't be crated inside the house because there's not enough room. Makes no sense to me to set up little kennels up on the deck for night time use when they have perfectly good kennels and runs out in the garden. They can't stay in the outside kennels at night because we have cane toads, mozzies & LOTS of bats, so come dusk they're put to bed surrounded by mozzie coils, bug zappers and tucked up under blankets. The crates are on ply so the cold/damp doesn't come through the concrete under them, they have different bedding according to their chew-factor and until they're old enough to hold on all night they have a very small area of a play pen at the front of their crate for midnight accidents. They're let out to pee before we go to bed and out again by 6.30am, so it is definitely just for sleeping. Putting kennels and actual escape proof runs on our patio would be nuts in our situation - escape proof runs for Staffords means Fort Knox :laugh: gets a bit cold here at night in Vic in winter.

when I said a proper kennel I meant a proper dog house- a kennel, usually wooden, available on ebay, all sorts of sizes. Much better for permament sleeping quarters then a wire crate however much you dress it up. You can put one in each dog run and also put one under the ensuite window and if you need to keep them in that area you could put a small fence around the kennel. Easy to do.

once I read they weren't housetrained I found it much easier to resist.

Now they are calling for foster carers. They really haven't learnt a damned thing.

No, I don't really expect them at all with Christmas shutting things down for a couple of days.

Sorry to read this Sheridan. R.I.P Grumpy.

Did we really need to hear your "not so generous thoughts"? Why does the reason an old thread was posted in, generate such not so generous thoughts from you? Sometimes old threads are resurrected because they have interesting content. Do we not encourage people to search for old topics before posting new ones? Dannys darling is the one stirring, she has made some really strange posts lately. Attention seeking I guess.

that comment is from a family member I'd say, same surname

who would know? Those poor bloody dogs.

how can Ina belong to Kay's Greys when there has been no paperwork. Of course it may have turned up in yesterdays mail from PR.

certainly read like it and Ina is at a place where she needs a weatherproof bed - does that mean a kennel or what? And still calling for donations for the vet bills.

The dog isn't in your care? It's owned by someone else, and currently in a different persons house. You have no ties to the dog legally. Yes. Why do you keep saying the dog is in your care when you have told us the dog is with someone 5 minutes away from you?! The dog is staying in a foster home which we pay for everything for it why can't you guys get it through your heads . Anyway I will leave you to wallow in your shit storm and have fun doesn't mean anything all the rescues I have talked to have said the same thing and don't even come here and these are some great rescues So have fun with your drama and crap talking. We will continue to do our thing which is saving dogs and getting our paperwork together and going forward. Stalk the Facebook if you want to see the wonderful things we achieve the more likes we get the better so thanks for your help in liking our page and spreading the word of our group. Have a great Christmas. you don't have to like your FB page to see it. And the word is being spread but not in the way you think.