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Even if the evidence is not accepted, it will lead to another round of media reporting and re-fresh the public's memory. So will each of the investigations under way. It is like shining a light under a rock. Oh joy for an industry used to getting its own way through the cover provided by the various gaming ministers. Lyn White's report on News media today says it all.

Whippet if thats true then the whole industry must become heavily government regulated or completely shut-down - preferably the latter. Any form of dog racing is now illegal in 39 states in the US - its time for us to go the same way. High time -- evidenced by the proof exposed on Four Corners.

The ABC did do a story last year on greyhound wastage, people were outraged at the death of thousands of greyhounds for about 5 minutes and then it was business as usual Yes, but this time there are names attached to those who are doing this and indisputable evidence available. It is up to every one of us to make sure it isn't just business as usual - now we all know the truth. Well said Sign petitions and participate in objections at animalsaustralia.org & RSPCA.org.au also ABC.net.au Four Corners very interested in any information.

I have twice tried to respond to the survey on the link provided on the home page but it keeps timing out preventing any input.

My ProDen from UK has just been seized by DAFF customs as not meeting Australian quarantine requirements.

Keep it somewhere safe. When they total 100 points (and assuming enough of then have come after the dog has turned twelve months) you will need to provide them and enter all of their details onto a form to have the dog's Champion title issued. And then the Grand Champion when/if you get to 1000 (plus 4 BIG or a BIS). What if all records and certificates are lost e.g. fire/flood? Does any registry exist where points can be verified? Thanks.

Meant to, I think, is the operative phrase there. It is the judges' prerogative to withhold if entrants are deemed unworthy. And some dogs don't get shown at all, some of whom are brilliant examples of their breed. I don't want to get into the regular round of 'if you don't show, you're a puppyfarmer' nonsense because that's precisely what that argument is, but showing doesn't indicate brilliant dogs, it indicates what dogs show up. Sometimes they're brilliant dogs. True, better examples might never be shown but I would choose from a line of winners for a show prospect. The dog show system is not without flaws, like anything human. Shows always produce more sour grapes than sweet ones too.

Meant to, I think, is the operative phrase there. It is the judges' prerogative to withhold if entrants are deemed unworthy.

I don't use it. People don't like being treated like idiots. I wouldn't buy a dog on limited register, and I don't put them on the limited register before I send them to homes. If you can't trust the people they are homed with, then don't send them there. Px Pardon me but are you really going to put inferior stock on the main register. If you do you will not have much credibility with other breeders for long. That's why we have the Limited register so puppies that are not show quality can go it and not be shown as the REAL thing. No wonder we have people complaining about the ethics of SOME breeders. Dog shows are meant to decide what is 'best' - titles are awarded as proof.

I don't use it. People don't like being treated like idiots. I wouldn't buy a dog on limited register, and I don't put them on the limited register before I send them to homes. If you can't trust the people they are homed with, then don't send them there. Px I agree. Purebred dog ownership should be encouraged, people should not feel excluded by limitations. Most people do make responsible decisions. Those who do not, will not be stopped by limited register. Everyone started somewhere - many big timers would have begun with a dream of owning a purebred dog of their own. Also, experienced long term (purebred dog)owners are not all above reproach.

Tralee said people don't like being treated like idiots - I agree with that fact. It would not matter how many puppies were bred, that fact remains true.

Precisely the sort of conditions why I won't co-own. The breeder can trust me or not when it comes to owning a dog and I'm not there just to look after their dog for them. A dog lives with me, it's my dog and I have the say over what the dog does and where it goes. I agree. You buy the dog - its your dog. You sell the dog - its not your dog.

I am still trying for a reasonable contract. Thanks Everyone for entering the debate. I will limit further reply, at the risk of repeating all ad nauseum. Feel free to PM me if you like.