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i guess the only slightly related thing with horses and cattle. horses and cattle with excessive white around the eye they tend to get eye cancer more easily due to the lack of pigment. sun damages the cells and cancer is more likely. in fact our stallion had small growth removed before he was 3 yo. cows with large white faces have the same issue. hence white is seen as a bad thing... it also the white effects the eye and lessor eye pigments also allow for sun damage. hence cancer is more likely. greys tend towards melanomas... often not living as long as similar horses..although cancer and tumors in horses often move more slowly than in humans and the horses often have much better quality of life.

less than 30 seconds... a raw hide chew that was promised to last hours lasted 5min.... these days clydesdale hoof triming last longer and the value is right, free after i pay the farrier about $200.00... do all the hooves. :rofl: there are bits laying round for me to tread on since january..

i understand completely, kavik.. in the farm world they are pts... as a dog with no sheep drive is just not worth feeding... as it costs as much to feed and care for a good one as it does a bad one. as you guys say with horses its often the case that off spring are no where near as good as the parent. as it is so with dogs... but some can learn some can't or don't want to.

i tryed rescue and found it too many hoops for me to jump threw for no dog. i bought leo the first dally off the trading post.... i think they only had one application as i payed for him and they kept him for another 2 weeks... i think i payed the same money they paid to buy him as a puppy and he was 11mo old.... do i regret it? no.... but it seems often the rescues of some the lessor available breeds (eg non kelpie) then the fosters have some one in mind for the dog. with sophie she was dumped with her 3 other sibblings on woodbyne from the forum. i did not need another dog... but as she was a dally and leo was such a nice dog i thought i could foster her and find her a home. she did go on a trial but it did not work. she was returned and by that time we had worked out she was not being re homed... there is a dog out there with your name on it but it may not be the regular rescue crowds. i was deemed unsuitable due to working most days for 6 hours... and not having a colour bond fence... i do have 488 acres.. and plenty of know how. i do feel your frustration, but keep on looking.... as your new dog will come to light... and maybe you need to look at places other rescue like direct at a pound, local notice board or the local trading post.

did rusty go to a new home? could you not make it a condition of his addoption to have him taken to see his old owner sometimes? i had a dog that looked like him 20 years ago... she was awesome.

This would then I guess lead us to a debate about whether he was in fact 'best' bred ;) i.e. in what context he was considered 'best'. well i haven't his pure bred papers now but i think he was from show champions... hell i was a child who managed to train our first bc to work sheep without any idea.... she seemed to just know.... he seemed to have no clue even with her to show him... it was just too hard... he was a good looking dog, very good looking... ;) but to herd sheep epic fail.... but i guess there is always one fail.... and he could have been the only one of his relatives to hate sheep...and yes it did put me off the idea that pure bred papered dogs are better than farm bred un papered ones... same as you would hope to get a horse from black caviar that knows how to run... you would hope... but its not a guarantee... its just more likely.

well how do you explain the best bred bc we owned had no work ethic with sheep... he was terrifed... he was from a back ground of about 30 australian show titled dogs.... he bred nice puppies... but he couldn't work in an iron lung... actually he used to be worse than a dog that would not work... cause as he fled home to the house on first sight of a woolie... he would chase them in all directions.... not helpfull. but on a ball or chooks he was deadly... i understand why he was a retread... instict if you can breed for it is great but often dogs don't have too much instinct and need to learn...

gosh this is such an interesting and broad thread. i have owned and worked sheep dogs but pounding round doing yard dog trials.... would bore me to tears..... but as said above most working farms rarely have one do it all dog..... a great paddock dog is not often your best yard dog... a shy but steady paddock dog is often best with yard dogs a more out going and even bitey dog is required to nip heels. i got my dals for the purpose in which they were bred one i think will do the whole cart horse following, but is unlikely to sit on the lorry and ride. the other is unlikely to follow any great time... she prefers to sit in the shed or on the couch... in fact the speed at which she vacates when the horse is pulled out is quicker than a human eye can follow. for fun their human owner want to do pretty obience trials.... :rofl: to show mr clydes they are far from dumbmations...

maybe you should post the recipe... are they a good treat for dogges that have waist issues? the dallies gain weight easily.

:D Adorable!!! pretty much a tick for that here too.... but dallies woo woo... and he will talk and answer constantly.... each time you stop... he also does the bowy talk.... first thing of the morning... they love it when you talk to them..... so i do... same as anyone else in this thread. leo knows stuff... he knows most comands and where the dam is also...

well my lot do the whole one of 2 things... they either wait in their spot... or they wait and watch you dish up then run and sit in their spot. then they eat in 30 seconds flat... swap bowls and check for stray biscuits. :rofl: not that there are any... poor spotty kids..

From what we understand, they were "carriage dogs". They would trot for many miles either next to or between the horse/s and carriage, guarding the carriage and sleeping in the stables with the horses at night. Thus they aren't known for their biddability as they didn't associate with people a lot. In the USA (and possibly UK?) they have carriage trials - the Dalmatian should be calm around horses and they also test their ability to retrieve a "dropped" whip amongst other things. All Dalmatians should be able to do an Endurance Test in their sleep - it's something I will do with Ziggy now that I (finally) have a bike. I also need to fit it around training/competing in obedience and agility with him plus 3 sports with my Springer. I imagine some would expect a Dalmatian to be struck off the ANKC for passing an obedience test :laugh: With the ESS, the horse rabbit has already bolted. The breed split many years ago. It wasn't unusual for an ESS to spend one day in the field and the next in the show ring but the showies didn't like what it did to the coat (I don't blame them :laugh:) and the breed diverged. The show and working Springers of today are very, very different. Working ESS are slightly longer than tall, have shorter ears and much less feathering. They tend to work like they are possessed by the devil - I have to be very quick on my feet to keep up with her mental and physical speed. The difficulty with gun dogs is that training and competing in field and retrieving trials takes a huge commitment - long drives even to train, camping rough is common, you need a gun license (not in WA), access to game, training partners etc. Instinct is really important but so is being a good trainer - it's complicated by distance and "factors" - water, cover, terrain etc. Whilst I think the retrieving ability tests are a wonderful start for someone interested in retrieving they don't go close to measuring breed function. PLUS I can't imagine an average pet owner wanting a little buzz box like mine that is so incredibly birdy - whilst she is a beautiful house dog, channelling all that instinct into something constructive is not a task for the faint hearted. I have no problem with the working/show split. Dogs have evolved alongside humans for the past 100,000 years. 100-200 years of controlled breeding by humans should not restrict our ideas of breed purpose. More importantly I want to see sound dogs that are physically and temperamentally suited to their environment, no matter what the purpose. No dog is perfect in all situations - even within Em's relatives are dogs better suited to hunting, field trials, retrieving, scent work or active pets. I spend hours talking pedigrees, working style/ability and structure with my Em's breeder. Wonderful stuff :) ETA: This is Em training at 7 months old. Her energy and enthusiasm has gone through the roof since then but she has learnt a little more self control ;) i would love my dallies to do an endurance test.... but they think they are enduring every day.... endurance of the couch is not what they mean.... leo will run all round the cart and barks with exciotment when i tell the horse "get up" for the first time of the drive... but when we get going he's out hunting smells... not chasing the cart... although he does tend to find food easily and passed his weigh in at the vet with flying colours. sophie.... however is a home body... apart from pacing.. she will not follow the cart.... both are more attached to me than the horses.

dogs with big problems take a long time to come right... sophie has been 2years and still occasionally eats stuff.... ok so more than occasionally.... and the OH has trained her to poop at dawn, so now at my place when i go pre dawn she poops on the concrete.... so i just shovel it...

oh well we own sophie a rescue dally that was rehomed to us via dol general pages nearly 2yo ... seems like yesterday. she is almost 4yo now.. i just have accepted that she eats stuff... like thongs.... and we try to keep them out of reach. when we fail she reminds us...she will always poop on the concrete... i have a shovel there at the ready... its just easier. the dog will not be re homed so we find way to live with her. i would keep him in a run... on his own with a bone., when you are out..

yeap another vote for a brindle cutie... all you really need to know is he's a dog with a nice home and a second chance. who can say farer than that.

i had a friend who worked a large council in sydney and they were supposed to scan but who wants to scan a dead maggot infested dog? often worker would not scan.... if one was found flat... thats what they wrote on the form... on a main road with a large traffic flow the flat ones would have a damadged chip and it would not read.

i own 2x dallys in our licorce all sorts type of house... the dallies could fart for australia.... and win gold every time.... in fact this arvo we were going down the paddock and the stench was so bad we kicked the dog out to run after 2x farts. they seem to be good at anything you ask if it is asked with food... not sure tho that agility would be their thing tho leo frequently falls over goofy style.

last dog died here was a jrt... aged 18 still healthy and died of snake bite.. yes he killed the snake. most of ours have lived past 14... the odd one has died of no real sign found dead... in those cases i assume snake, or bad luck. seems a lot of younger dogs on here pts... or dying young. eddited to add... i have a chi who was at deaths door last year... just got home from a trip and it was a long weekend.... i thought it was time but i chickened out... he came right and has been fine since.... but his time is coming....

in my case i want a dane in the future, but OH says no... for all the above reasons. if they were longer lived.... ;) then he would not have an excuse. but then i negected to tell him of the sorts of issues dallys can have.... like kidney stones and deafness. we have had a close call with a kidney issue and same dog has ear issues... bi lateral by my estiamation and is on his second ear infection.

pretty true hence chineese whispers is a funny game and not such a funny game when in real life. at work you get one bloke telling the boss he has no licence and cannot drive the work cars due to insurance reasons, but either he lied or is driving unlicensed on the real road... so which is worse... you tell the boss bloke is a liar... and yet you would be the one spreading a rumor... even if you saw with your own eyes.

really hop ....2 ....3 hop ....2.....3... sophie its not broken.... 3 days? really... i am not looking at you any more. ;)

:rofl: i see you have met my local council ranger.... he has no idea either!

from what i heard with my friend anyone can including an x girl friend with a large grudge. which is wrong.... you can have any one with a grudge report you without evidence.

What on earth do you mean by that, GM? *puts hands on hips and squares up to attack GM while hearing a piece on tv about kRudd being a bastard to Julia Goolia and suddenly thinks that everyone must suddenly be trying to shoot a poster in the head on the internetz* If you cant read into what people say on the net, you probably should be playing solitaire. amen to that, but people do... but often you do type, re type, ponder post then as its disappearing off the screen you see a typo that some gremlin inserted on your behalf.... and then what you read one way in one tone is quite possible to read in another way, you the writer had not thought of as you were so invested... funny thing a point of view its so personal.

nope, not grey hound... but rescued dally her thread was on here 2 years ago.... she came to us, i doubt not even knowing what a couch was.... nor what sympathy is either.... she had a couple of litters of puppies as well before she came here... so the whole hop act makes me... :rofl: