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We have started our own Dog Club, The Queensland Pet - Bull Association, with our own pedigree certificates, how do you think they look.

Desley's for sale: In Qld, in the hands of good, responsible, caring, owners, the dog will grow to be a loving rewarding pet, in the hands of irresponsible, cruel, bad owners will end up with a dog that is a problem to the community, just like any other dog breed. This breed of dog was born out of ignorance, over zealousness, ego’s out of control and malice, (GCCC) lack of control, Nonfeasance and bureaucratic ineptitude, (Minister local Government) For_Sale.doc

This is the million dollar question, you see the GCCC only did what they did to stop one dog "Tango" from being allowed to return back to the Gold Coast, the fall out and the fact that like the email from Animal Control to Cr Dawn, they have admitted that the only Pit bulls now in Australia are Amstaffs. "If they come back OK we can exempt the dogs if necessary and return them as long as no AmStaff is in the DNA line." They also know that around 100% of all the Pit bulls I and Logan Timms have test results for, come back at not being Amstaffs, so the Pit bulls are free to do as they want, next time the Gold Coast City Council spend over $500,000.00 on legal fees out of spite, they may think twice. This is only the start, we are testing other dogs forced out of the state, they will also come back not Amstaffs. The question, what are they doing to the Amstaffs, nothing... this all was to try and get one up on Kylie Chivers for showing the world how stupid the GCCC are, funny they did a better job than we could.

Message from Cr Crichlow John I asked the question about the DNA testing - have received the following answer- FYI - We are happy to do it but require their permission if you can suggest they give it to us we will have it done straight away. We have no evidence that the dogs they used for the test were theirs. The test results were dated in June but the dogs were in the pound since May? If they come back OK we can exempt the dogs if necessary and return them as long as no AmStaff is in the DNA line. Kind regards Dawn

BITSA. is Australasia’s first canine, DNA based, breed identification test. This innovative test detects the breed, or mixture of breeds that make up your dog. BITSA can identify breed signatures as far back as three generations and can define, provided they are present, the primary (parent), secondary (grandparent) and distant (great-grandparent) breeds in your dog’s ancestry. How does BITSA work? A DNA sample is obtained by using a pain-free, non-invasive cheek swab. This sample is then analysed using the latest state of the art DNA technology and a unique breed signature is generated for your dog. Your dog’s unique signature is cross-referenced against our extensive breed database and the breeds in your dog are identified. Results are then reported and given to you with an accurate and understandable analysis of your dog’s true breed composition. What are breed signatures and how were they developed? Breed signatures are a genetic representation of a particular canine breed. Our breed signature databases were developed using registered pedigree dogs, whose reference samples were collected at dog shows across Australia. This ensures that we have the best quality canine pedigree breed signatures. How accurate is the test? Our breed signatures have been generated from over 20,000 known pure breed dogs. We are confident that our breed signatures are an accurate representation of the breeds we claim to detect. Our databases and breed signatures are being continually updated with new breeds and additional reference samples so that we can continue to provide our clients with the most accurate results. Currently, BITSA proudly maintains greater than 95% accuracy for all its test results. How do I collect a sample? BITSA uses the easiest and most comfortable sample collection method for your dog. The process is simple and owners can collect the sample themselves. Simply place the provided swab against the inside of the dog’s cheek and swirl in a circular motion, then put the swab in the tamper proof bag and send it away. There is no need for a vet and no stress for you or your dog. When will I recieve my results and what will they explain? Turn around time is as quick as 15 working days from the receipt of your dog’s sample. A BITSA report will be mailed to you outlining: The breeds found in your dog’s ancestry A history of how each breed was developed A unique PAWS rating system summarising the traits you may observe in your dog Health concerns affecting the breed or breeds found in your dog Games and activities your furry friend will love to play In addition to your BITSA report a certificate of DNA analysis will be included, explaining the breeds found in your dog, as well as a personalised ‘Doggy Passport’; a wallet sized card with a photograph of your dog and a list of your dog’s breeds. (Photographs are optional and only required if you would like to add a picture of your dog to the passport at no extra charge). Can BITSA tell me if my dog is purebred? BITSA cannot be used as a means of obtaining official papers nor can it serve as evidence of a pedigree dog. What breeds can BITSA identify? BITSA can currently identify 62 breeds, with additional breeds to be added and updated on a regular basis. Identifiable breeds as of January 2009 include: Alaskan Malamute Golden Retriever American Staffordshire Terrier Great Dane Australian Cattle Dog Greyhound Australian Shepherd Irish Setter Australian Stumpy Tailed Cattle Dog Italian Greyhound Australian Terrier Jack Russell Terrier Basset Hound Kelpie Beagle koolie Bichon Frise Labrador Retriever Border Collie Maltese Boston Terrier Neapolitan Mastiff Boxer Papillon British Bulldog Pointer Bull Mastiff Pomeranian Bull Terrier Poodle (Standard) Bull Terrier (Miniature) Poodle (Miniature) Cairn Terrier Poodle (Toy) Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Pug Chihuahua (Long-haired) Rhodesian Ridgeback Chihuahua (Short-haired) Rottweiler Chow Chow Scottish Terrier Cocker Spaniel Shih Tzu Curly Coated Retriever Shiba Inu Dalmatian Siberian Husky Daschund Silky Terrier Dobermann Staffordshire Bull Terrier Dogue de Bordeaux Tibetan Spaniel English Springer Spanielr Tenterfield Terrier Fox Terrier Weimaraner German Shepherd West Highland White Terrier German Shorthaired Pointer Whippet What if my dog doesn’t look like the breeds reported? We encourage our customers to understand that our Breed Signatures are based on the purest pedigree dogs, and thus a true BITSA (dogs with mixed breed parents and grandparents) may not exhibit the exact features of the breeds detected. It is also important to realise that primary breeds are the result of at least one pure bred dog being present at the parental level in your dog’s ancestry. Many canine traits are diluted with other characteristics. For example a primary German Shepherd and a secondary Golden Retriever may look very much like a German Shepherd, though with slight differences, such as a slightly longer coat, different shaped ears and a marginally warmer coloured coat. Why doesn’t my dog have a breed for every generation? It is important to understand that BITSA can only detect breeds that are present in a dog’s ancestry. Sometimes in a dog’s ancestry either one or both parents can be termed ‘outbred’ (dogs with mixed breed parents and grandparents). In this case a distinct breed signature is not present within a dog’s DNA. As the dog is heavily mixed, this may prevent a primary or secondary breed from being determined. There is also a possibility that a dog may be termed a 'True BITSA', a very unique dog that has so many minute traces of various breeds that they are truly one in a million, just like Dave of the Lort Smith Animal Hospital. http://www.bitsa.com.au/ __________________

Recently, DNA testing became available to determine a dog’s heritage. "These scientific advances have impacted breed identifications by animal control wardens, police officers and even veterinarians. If a city or state has adopted a breed-discriminatory law, the burden of proof is on city officials to prove that a dog is a member of the targeted breed, either through preponderance of evidence or in some cases -- if there are criminal penalties – beyond a reasonable doubt. In Kansas City, a man won his eight-month legal battle with the city to keep his dog, Niko, after DNA testing proved Niko wasn’t a pit bull, as the animal-control wardens had asserted. Niko was housed at animal control for The entire eight months of the court case, at a great cost to the town taxpayers. Niko, a mixed-breed dog, is now back home after the ordeal." Perth Dog laws are useless: rangers • Jim Kelly • From: AAP • January 05, 2007 10:00PM TOUGH dog laws to eradicate dangerous breeds are not working and should be scrapped, the WA Rangers Association says. “But the association, which represents council rangers responsible for enforcement, says the legislation is difficult to police and even harder to prosecute. Association president Samantha Tarling said the close genetic make-up of dog breeds made it impossible to prove a dog was a pit bull terrier, even with DNA testing, and owners were getting around the laws by claiming their pets were a different breed. "People are registering pit bulls as a boxer cross, which is legal,'' Ms Tarling said. ``Not even the chief vet at the Agriculture Department will stand up in court and say `This is a pit bull'.'' Next let’s start getting dogs that have been ordered out of the state back home, one comes to mind, a dog called "Bella" for Logan City Council. Her crime, she was light tan, with a bully head, four legs and a tail and experts from Logan City Council using the 22 point checklist, now proven to be false in the Supreme court, said she was a Pit bull terrier. (Chivers Vs GCCC, the validity of the 22 point checklist went unchallenged). Expert, Debora Pomeroy, the person who trains and created the 22 point checklist must be feeling very sick at this time as she has killed 100's of dogs using her system training many other Animal Control Officers to do the same making a tidy packet at the same time, also owning a pure bred Amstaff...sorry I mean Pit bull terrier. We will let you know how we go.

Just to show you, that not only do we know that the DNA test works here in Australia, but even in the USA their are other affected dog owners who have problems with councils trying to falsely identify their pets as Pit bulls. Bad luck the whole world uses the internet. Open this and play from half way through, 3:25, Logan Timms, I think you will get the point. Have fun watching I think David Letterman should run for mayor for the GCCC or at least Head of Animal Control as he is as smart as they are.

Answers: 1 The dogs are at the GCCC pound, 9 days before the results. 2 The dog owners. 3 You follow the instruction from the test kit, it's not hard to put a cotton bud in your dogs mouth ( maybe for some) 4 Read instruction with test kit, if too hard read web page. 5 Air dry cotton bud, put in plastic envelope provided, seal, as instructed, put in envelope provided, mail. (The GCCC have been watching too much CSI I think.) Rather than accuse Rangi of being a liar and committing fraud or attempting to deceive them in some way, for shit's sake, they have the dogs, do the test themselves, why the need for all the Buls@#t? One thinks they are stalling or trying to look professional or something.

This is the reply from the Gold Coast City Council, regarding the newspaper and the Ch 9 news yesterday: Remember this is why we have a problem with this councils ability to identify a suspected dog as anything. Apart from the Bits Breed identification certificate dated 23 June 2010 and "Breed History Revealed" document, there is no evidence management documentation to confirm how the DNA sample were taken from the subject dog and how those samples reconcile with the DNA results. To assist me in the following conducting an internal review of this desion, it is necessary for you to supply Council with the following information within seven days: Provide details of: 1 Where and when the samples were obtained. 2 Who took the samples. 3 Is the person who took the samples, approximately qualified to otherwise trained to take DNA samples. 4 Details of the sample methodology. 5 Chain of custody documentation for each sample. Should you require information assistance regarding this matter, please contact Animal Management Inspector Norton 5581 6664.

Just saw the interview with Rangi on the Gold Coast News on Channel 9. The Gold Coast City Council claim that the DNA may not have come from her two dogs. What a joke, if that is the only explanation the Gold Coast City Council Animal Management can come up with, that’s nothing but pathetic, it's not rocket science GCCC. Since you have had the dogs in the pound for months why not DNA them yourself? Oh hang on, that's too sensible and easy. Would you like me to come and do it for you? I'll even pay for the test. Kylie Chivers Step 1: I will give you a kit with the cotton buds to take samples or ask Cr Dawn, CEO Dale Dickson or even ACO Geoff Irwin as I have already given them kits in the past. Step 2: Put cotton buds in one end of dog, the wet end, not the brown end. Step 3: Wiggle it around, for a few seconds, get a good sample. Step 4: Air dry it, put it in the envelope provided. Step 5: Fill out form, send cheque, post. Results will be in 5 days. I know it all sounds hard but look Step 2: it's not the end with the tail, does that help any?

I have an interesting reply to the Question: can a Supreme Court Judge rule and change the Customs importation laws on importing restricted dogs. Changing_Customs_Act.doc

Newspaper comments: http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/0...coast-news.html andrew richards mr pitbull Posted At 2:02pm today "anyones dog identified by the checklist or the experts that gccc admitted in supreme court is fiction is due for compensation after cr la castras comment today.gccc dog laws need an urgent overhaul and where do i apply" Julie Posted At 10:09am today "All dog owners who have been paying restricted dog fees for their dogs which GCCC have mistakenly identified as "pit bulls" should have their dogs DNA tested. Who knows how many were just cross-breeds? When their dogs come back as just cross-bred unrestricted breeds they can then seek compensation and pull their fences and signs down. The GCCC have got it wrong so many times, I doubt they have ever identified a real "Pit bull"!" :p Karma Posted At 4:06pm today "Nice one GCCC!!So I wonder how many dogs have been mis-identified over the years and either been ordered to be PTS or desexed? I urge everyone to use the BITSA DNA test now that it is available. Oh, and as a side note the American Staffordshire Terrier is a completely seperate breed to the APBT why you might ask? The American Staffordshire Terrier has a breed signature found through DNA. The APBT is nothing more than a mixture of breeds as the BITSA test will prove this!Better start saving GCCC".

A reply from a council in Qld: Hi Kylie My officers and I are of the belief that it’s not the dogs (regardless of breed) that are the problem, it’s the owners. Some people should never be allowed to have dogs – however that would be unpopular/politically incorrect legislation I guess… Easier to blame it on the dog… Kind regards, Tudor Tanase | Manager Environmental Health Services | Hinchinbrook Shire Council

Here is a copy of an email today with a reply, slowly affected dog owners will challenged their local council action: Thanks Jon, It's very interesting isn't it!! literally i could come straight back to the coast with my dogs and say well you can't prove they're amstaffs so tough shit!! I do feel for all the amstaff owners who all along thought that they were getting a 'legal' pitbull, because without a doubt that's what many people assume, and again there are many people who think they are one and the same, and it will always be an argument.. purists believe there is no such thing as a Blue pitbull, same as no amstaffs have rednoses, but there are genetic throw backs in the states where registered amstaffs have red noses... and so on. Pure bred Amstaffs in this country have at least had some professional input from some great breeders, whereas many good pitbull lines have probably deteriorated due to the bans and being forced underground, if only they had the balls to put proper controls on dog ownership and breeders we wouldn't be in this situation. So the question is where now? The GCCC will probably change the goal posts, and make the law on looks alone and get rid of genetic profiling in their quest to cull all dogs that could possibly look dangerous. I have emailed Logan Timms, mentioned ethical breeding and tighter controls but he did say that councils can add whatever breed they want on their banned list, regardless of import and federal laws, I think one of the QLD councils (Harvey bay) may have changed their view on it and only declares dogs dangerous on their behavior. thanks again Dear G In the past all councils in South East Qld used Phenotype, (the 22 point checklist) (a phenotype is any observable characteristic or trait of an organism) to identify suspected Pit bull terriers, and in 17A BSL laws they also had the term TYPE which can mean anything, now removed from the Animal Management (Cats and Dog) Act 2008. After the Chivers Vs GCCC they openly admitted without contesting the fact the 22 point checklist was false, the use of Animal Control officers as expert did not come to the standards as experts under the rules of law, so the only scientific way to determine breed is a DNA test, the problem here is, the Gold Coast City Council, were being to smart by, adding Amstaff as Pit bulls, is like a double edged sword, "something that has or can have both favorable and unfavorable consequences". This will stand up in court, as the GCCC was the one who paved the way for this to happen. They opened this door, we are more than happy to use it. Email Geoff Irwin and state, "I have done a DNA BITSA test on my dog, it has not come back as an Amstaff so it is scientific proof that my dog in not a Pit bull terrier but simple a cross bred look-alike dog, so can you give me a lawful reason why I can not return him to the Gold Coast City Councils jurisdiction”. What do you think. John

If you write to the Minister or Logan Timms, this is the standard fob off letter, it does not answer your complaint, it really only states we don’t know what the f#@K we are going to do, but if we stall you stupid people long enough the problem may fix itself or just go away! Include this section in your complaint; they might even try to give you an honest attempt at relying to your complaint….(..no won’t happen..) “Thank you for your letter …….to the Honourable Desley Boyle MP, Minister for Local Government and Aboriginal and Torrest Strait Islander Partnership, regarding the recent Supreme Court decision on American Staffordshire Terriers. The Minister has asked that I respond on her behalf. It was never the State Government’s original intention to include American Staffordshire Terriers in the definition of a “Restricted dog”. Accordingly, the Department of Infrastructure and Planning is carefully analysing what, if any, implication the Supreme Court decision may have and consequently, any actions the state may take.” Should you require any further information in relation to this matter, please contact…bla..bla..bla.. You will then ask for the person in the reply letter, when you call the phone number you have been given, who will not be at his/her desk for a couple of days as he/she is in hiding. Kylielou

The reason for the info: I have a meeting with the minister for local government Wednesday 2.00 pm regarding his new Bill before the house regarding local government, including 17A. I have overturned 39 dog breed identifications showing clear proof that local councils in Qld have been paying so called self trained experts to mislead and manipulate the courts by providing false documentation and fictional verbal evidence. Over the past few months the news papers at least here in Qld have finally seen the light regarding CLAIMS of transparency and accountability by the state Government are a sham. most of the laws are "for show". "There was no serious intent to make these things work, A government does not have to be accountable as long as they can convince the voters they are honest This could explain why and how this BSL law got passes and why it is so hard to get any government department to validate or give any reason why it should be in place. BSL protects the community from dog attacks? How can banning/restriction four breeds of dogs, when three of these breeds are not present in Australia, in any real number and the pit bull terrier represents 1.8% of the total dog attacks in Australia, that’s the same as Poodles, and just below Labradors, and from my research I can not find one death from a Pit bull terrier published in Australia. This government should be held directly responsible for the deaths of the people (Children) since this law was brought in. But more to the point is the total disregard to the legal system and the courts in general, so much for local council being a model litigant, the way they treat the court system as if it was a child’s play toy, or a joke. If you have not already read the transcripts from the Dino Da Fre Vs Logan City Council you would see that the two experts went to all lengths to try and win a trial, as if it was just a game. http://www.dafrevlogancc.bigpondhosting.com/ Start here: Day 6 J Perkins (rebuttal). Its a laugh 17A should be dropped as the media has finally found it has no truthful foundation, the general public from the response from the last few feed backs have been 98% against this badly written law maybe its time the minister Warren Pitt should start again by dropping this from his Bill as he has already dropped 1200 pages from the old one here is another 10 pages for the bin. KC

If I have missed any or if there are any on list that are wrong please comment. Dogs that Kill in Australia Aug 28,Tue, 2007 A two week old baby has died after being attacked by a family dog in Perth. Police were called to a home in the Perth suburb of Willetton around ten o'clock last night. Police say the baby had been attacked by the family's Siberian Husky. The baby later died in hospital. March 17th, 2007 an American bulldog-Catahoula mix — attacked and killed Pamela Rushing. Pamela Rushing, 50, was found mauled to death in her backyard in the Forest of Friendswood subdivision. She died of multiple dog bites, according to a medical examiner’s report. Wieners said police believe Rushing was killed when she tried to intervene in a dogfight, although it is unclear which dog turned on her first, the chief said. At least one of the bites found on her body matched the teeth pattern of the retriever, reports show. Rushing died from multiple dog bites — primarily those of the bulldog, the chief said. Rushing had been dead for about four hours when police arrived. They weren’t sure whether two other family dogs also attacked her, a Golden Retriever and an Australian Shepherd, February 3, 2006 Labrador X Dingo. Bunyip in eastern Victoria, 22 month old girl died after neck bite from by families Labrador X Dingo. It was at Bunyip in Victoria The Bunyip home where the 22-month-old girl was killed by a dingo-labrador cross. The 22-month-old girl was sleeping in her bedroom in Sanders Road, Garfield North, south-east of Melbourne, when the family dog, a labrador-dingo cross went into her bedroom and attacked her about 2.30am yesterday. 2006 July 22nd Three Pig-hunting dogs.Tyra Kuehne, 4, was mauled to death by dogs near her home in Warren in central New South Wales. NSW The young girl went missing from her family home in Warren, near Dubbo, and was found in a neighbouring yard on Wednesday night with fatal head, neck and torso injuries after being mauled by three Pig-hunting dogs. The 4 year old girl climbed two fences and was found dead in hunting dogs enclosure, leading to legislation change in NSW. THE fatal mauling of four-year-old Tyra Kuehne by three pig-hunting dogs in Warren, near Dubbo A FATAL dog attack on a child in New South Wales had forced Rosemary Withers to relive an horrific event in her family's past. 2005, DEC THU 29th, Dingo attacked toddler only a month after mum moved home The tragedy of the two-year-old's death, on Tuesday in the South Coast town of Eden NSW. 2005 Crossbreed camp dogs Alice springs, 59 yo woman killed by Crossbreed camp dogs? 2004 Thursday 31st September Bull terrier and Kelpie crosses Mount Isa Police north-west community of Doomadgee following a fatal dog attack A 16-year-old boy was mauled to death when he took a shortcut through a relative's backyard early yesterday. He died later in the day in hospital. The three dogs, described as Bull terrier and Kelpie crosses, were put down this morning. 2003 May 11, Unknown Breed, The death of a baby girl killed by her teenage mother's dog moments after birth was a tragedy without blame, a coroner has found. A post-mortem exam found the baby, posthumously named Caitlyn, died from about 25 injuries consistent with dog bites. 14-year-old mother did not know she was pregnant before giving birth in the backyard of her Ballarat home early on May 11 last year. 2002 May 19 Boxer-crosses and one an Irish wolfhound-cross AN elderly man (Francesco Salerno 77 ) died after he was attacked by his own dog at a property at Richlands in Brisbane's west last night. The man, 77, was taken to Princess Alexandra Hospital but died soon after arrival. Police said the man's right arm was severely mauled and he lost a lot of blood. Police believe there were at least four dogs on the man's property in Government Road, Richlands, when the attack occurred around 4.30pm. Two of the dogs were believed to be Boxer-crosses and one an Irish wolfhound-cross. 2002, 31st October Great Dane-bull mastiff cross and a Bull mastiff cross The body of Rita Thompson, who was in her 70s, was found by police in late October two years ago at a home on Lyall Street in Bathurst. a Great Dane-bull mastiff cross and a Bull mastiff cross 31st October 2002 at her home at 33 Lyall Street, Gorman’s Hill, a suburb of Bathurst The inquest into the death of an elderly Bathurst woman, who died after being attacked by dogs, begins today. The inquest is expected to last for two days and is hearing from a range of witnesses. The inquest will be held at Bathurst Courthouse. 2000 Herne Hill Crossbred dog - Victoria - elderly man bled to death after being bitten from crossbred dog obtained from "animal welfare shelter" and the dog was kept as guard dog. 2000 July 4 Malamute cross Mooroopna - Victoria -Malamute cross, killed 2 year old boy (Patrick Bloomfield) in bedroom. Origins "animal shelter". 1999 Feb 16 Rhodesian Ridgeback Cross Herne Hill The Victim of a Rhodesian Ridgeback Cross named Harley ( Leon Trasinski 75 Years old) died from a heart attack & blood loss. Coroner ( Edwin Batt ) found Harlie’s owner ( Debra Susan Marks) Contributed to the death by keeping a vicious & aggressive dog in such a way that it could & would attack. Mrs Marks partner David Bruce purchased the dog Harley from the council pound in Transinski. 1998 Rottweilers and a Rottweiler-cross In a similar case in Western Australia, Giovanni Pacino, 35, was convicted of manslaughter in 1998 and sentenced to three years' jail - since overturned - after his Rottweilers and a Rottweiler-cross mauled 85-year-old Perina Chokolich to death in her garden. 1998 Nov 9 Cattle Dog and Great Dane cross Bull Terrier Grandmother at Charters Towers mauled to death after trying to stop dogfight. The two dogs involved were a Cattle Dog and Great Dane cross Bull Terrier. They were her pet dogs. 1997 April 16. Bull Mastiff X Great Dane, X Bull Terrier Meadow Heights 12 Years old Boy ( Jarrad Dwyer ) was mauled to death by a Bull Mastiff X Great Dane, X Bull Terrier in the back yard. Kimba was the family pet. Autopsy showed dog had a fractured skull from a blow with a ball hammer. Which was not reported in the (media). 1997 - Victoria - Unknown crossbred? 1995 December 27 Toowoomba Labrador cross with some Bull Breed Elderly Woman (B Stringer) visited friend’s house and was mauled to death by a Labrador cross with some Bull Breed in its ancestry. This dog was reported in the media initially as a Pit Bull Cross then changed to American Pit Bull Terrier. This is despite all relevant people clearly stating the above crossbreed. 1995-96 -South Australia Akita bit a drunken owner through an artery and he bled to death. 1995 June 7- Perth 3 Rottweilers & a Rottweiler cross GSD Elderly land lady ( Perina Chokolich age 85 ) killed and mauled beyond recognition in her vegetable garden. Dogs involved were 3 Rottweilers & a Rottweiler cross GSD Owned by Giovanni Pacino age 35. Sep 15 1991 North Richmond Bull Terrier cross 55 Km North West of Sydney 2 month old boy mauled to death by a Bull Terrier cross Late 80s In Adelaide 2 English Bull Terriers and their 2 pups a small child was killed at home by 2 English Bull Terriers and their 2 pups 1978 Wire Fox Terrier Killed 3 month old baby in pram - Victoria In the 70s Wire Fox Terrier there was another death of a baby in Vic by a Wire Fox Terrier. KC