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Oh poop Juice I am no good with links and stuff though I will try! Does anyone know what channel SBS is on? We just have normal tv, no foxtel or anything.

I am really looking forward to watching this tonight!

An update re poor practice and fundraising on behalf of impounded dogs release to this group: The DLG has been contacted extensively and despite weekly communication are yet to speak with council or any relevant bodies regarding this groups practises. OGLR has been contacted, pound rounds are under investigation, though fundraising is only one aspect needed to be investigated under this group. Extensive talks and meetings with firsthand information and facts which took place months ago with council (right through to the CEO) it appears are useless. Every SINGLE state to state body has been contacted, particularly in regard to dogs declared dangerous in one state and moved by pound rounds to another state to be advertised in that state with no disclosure of issues. RSPCA has been contacted re extensive drugging of aggressive kennelled dogs. There are multiple complaints coming through regarding this group which are simply soul destroying. The Mayor has been contacted, next is the local members.

I think as well as assesment of dogs while in foster care which helps us get a great idea of a dogs individual needs (and addressing those needs) there also needs to be a plan in place along with full disclosure of any issues prior to adoption. I have met the most incredible people and families, they are such a joy. I do feel it is important for families to understand the dog also needs to fit into their home environment. So many people who have adopted from me tend to initialy feel sorry for the dog as they are a "rescue" and have been dumped at some stage during their lives. While it can be an emotional experience for some families, I find it takes some time to explain "Yes, she/he was abandoned at some stage, though they are doing really well now. Dogs also need to learn and understand resonable boundries in living with a family". Dogs need more than love. Information on "to be expected behaviours" also needs to be given as a change in environment may result in a temporary (subtle) slide in their training or behaviour. Things like toilet training, allowing the dog time without pressure to bond with and "look to" new owners rather than their carer are most common for me. My dogs are all crate trained which most families call "cages' to begin with :laugh: It is quite a new concept for families, though sending the dog off into their new home with their crate gives families a chance to become familiar with the great benefits of crate training without the pressure and expense of buying a crate before the trail period. So far every single family has taken to crate training with gusto, it works well for them and it works really well for the dogs :)

Hi Maree, Sorry, email is best as I think I turned my messages off a while ago. [email protected] :)

Hi Erny, Thank you :) I forgot about the farting, Fern does the same when she has eaten something she shouldnt. At night I can smell it wafting through the entire house, sloppy poop and skin rashes are also a feature. She appears to be doing ok for the moment though I can also relate to her doing well for a period of time on certain foods and then having a setback, then I need to re assess. I find it both interesting and frustrating! I agree Mandela is such a lucky boy to have such a devoted Mum, I am so happy he has found you :)

Oh! Free mossy rocks!! lol I think it is going to be a nasty summer for fires and snakes Shaz Sammy and Mumbles are fantastic to float, they love the float funny boys. Fire comes through so quickly though OSO I can relate, the kids are not allowed outside without boots on, I am sure I am giving them my own snake phobia. Fingers crossed we all get through it this summer.

Is this the dog that was involved in the death of a Chihuahua in Sydney that was sent to Victoria? The dog has had quite a few name changes since then . Yes Cryptic, the dog has had three names so far. Cookie, Katie and now Livia. What that family have been through is heart breaking, the way they have been treated criminal.

Take special care OSO.

You know my snake phobia Shaz We have only ever had one brown before, that was a few years ago now when it was hot and dry. Sadly it looks as though it is going to be a nasty summer for fires and snakes in the Hawkesbury as it is so dry and already warm. xx

Bloody snakes could go into the sheds if they need to, the laundry, or down to the dam or just stay out of the way. Snakes have over three untouched acres here and move through neighbouring properties though they somehow decide to come into the house yard? We have no other water source available aside from our dam (which we can do nothing about) and the dam is a long way from the house yard. We have a clean and tidy yard, our padocks and lawns are short. We have spent great time clearing the paddocks surrounding the house and burning off. I don't get it?

A reminder regarding snakes guys. We had our first early this morning in the house yard I had checked the yard and let the dogs out, called them back to me and Peaches had a brown just over 1 metre or so long. Peaches is fine, though I am keeping an eye on her, the snake is dead. Normally we have RBB here though it is so dry I am not suprised to see a brown. Frightening for me though as I have a serious snake phobia and browns are a real worry. I am so glad Murphy is ok, she is simply gorgeous! Please take care guys.

Thank you for this thread :) I have a large breed female who appears to be quite sensitive to various foods. I manage her diet quite well though I have to be very careful as she will at times benchsurf and help herself to things she should not have. If Fern has a reaction to something her stools become loose and (as she is quite fair in colouring) she will at times develop pink skin on her belly and under her front legs. Does your boy have specific symptoms? All our other dogs are great with various foods, we just have the one monkey pants!

It is enough to make you sick, unbelievable. Another pr's dog bit a child twice on the face and then attacked another dog nearly killing the dog. That dog was sent to a home in VIC from BP. MN arrived at the ladies house in VIC, lied about who she was (gave a false name), took the dog and put him in kennels. He is still there, the kennel owner is not impressed. She left this family with a $2000 vet bill and has since then abused her, lied and bullied her. She does the same thing every time and treats people exactly the same way. Thank fully there is more support for pr's victims now and with that support something is being done. It is a lengthy process though and frustrating beyond belife!

I was sent this today, I believe this dog is the dog who killed another dog while in foster care. Surely pound rounds have an obligation to disclose this information? she is now kenneled. I have a favourite - Livia has been in and out of foster care now - through no fault of her own at all - she is such a loving girl and her eyes plead with me every time I visit to get her out of the kennel and take her home - if you have ot...her dogs they would need to be very placid - Livvy was used as a breeder and is sensitive to other dogs wanting to dominate and hurt her anymore - she is special. Beyond special she is beautiful from the very core of her being to the outside. Please think about what it's like to be cold at night - every night - and check with anyone you know who might be able to help her get the love, security and kindness and protection she so richly deserves for the rest of her life.

AWL and RSPCA temperament test all dogs prior to adoption, pound rounds adopt dogs straight from pounds and shelters into homes without any temperament testing yet they wonder why things go so terribly wrong?

Well said Aphra. There appears to be attacks or serious issues relating to this group on a regular basis now, so very sad.

I'll join you Shaz ETA You always make me laugh!

Hold onto your seat guys and grab the popcorn. The truth: 12 months on shelters, rescue groups, welfare groups, vets, behaviourist, trainers, transport companies, foster carers, and adopting families are dealing with the fall out and neglect of this one particular group. One year on is a good time to reflect on all that has happened since Pound Rounds began. First a summary of the things that matter; 1) Two of the largest council operated shelters in NSW have reduced the killing of pooches to unprecedented low levels – to almost No Kill Levels in just one year. 2) Pound Rounds supporters have helped to rescue, adopt and fund the saving of over 1,000 lives. 3) More than half a dozen new rescue groups have emerged with support from our New Res...cue program, now successfully independent and saving lives. 4) Pound Rounds has assisted with carers and / or funding for over 30 sensational rescues who could all help dogs due to be killed. From just 200 dedicated ‘Likers’, the Pound Rounds page > has grown to 17,000 members > has over 3,000 people talking about and sharing needy pooches at any given time > has a weekly reach of over 200,000 people > has a social reach of over 4 million These numbers are not important in themselves. They represent the increased chance of a pooch (who would have, in the past, been killed) being seen, being supported and going to a loving home. None of this would have been possible without the help of an extraordinary group of people. You. And you. And You. And you over there! It would not have been possible without two of the most proactive councils in Sydney. Thank you to the visionary management and compassionate staff at Hawkesbury and Blacktown shelters that make this possible. Special thanks to Christine Cole of Sydney Dog & Cat Home and Botany Council for being an inspiration and proof of what’s possible! Without the support of rescue groups around the country these lifesaving results could not be achieved. Without the public choosing to adopt their next family member direct from the pound these beautiful souls would still be killed. Without those people willing to donate and sponsor dogs, none of this would be possible. Pound Rounders each and every one of you has changed the world for these community pets. I am sure the awareness has spread further than we can imagine! Pound Rounds works with an innovative 5 point model not used before. We broach both rescue work and private adoption measures with equal import. PR operating as a rescue is only one small part of our contribution to the 1,000 lives saved. Our organisation is devoted to relieving the burden on existing rescues with funding and also the sponsoring new rescue groups. There are a small number of vehement ‘purists’ in any field and it stands to reason, animal welfare should be no exception. The most controversial program in our work appears to be the one that mirrors the existing adoption program of all councils, the RSPCA, AWL and other large welfare shelters; the Subsidised Direct Adoption Program (DAP). This is a program PR created to support adoption of the most needy pets in the pound; those on the kill list. PR understands that pound/shelter ‘sale’ prices are standardised for convenience and do not take into account length of time in the pound, legal holding times, fluctuations in impounds or shelter capacity (who is scheduled to be killed) etc. DAP only allows PR to help dogs where the public understand this adoption is exactly like adopting directly from the pound. If you adopt a dog directly from the pound, the RSPCA or the AWL or many other rescue shelters; 1. The councils and shelters do not do not perform “yard” checks. 2. Council pounds and Animal shelters cannot absolutely warrant health or temperament outside of the shelter. 3. As neither the council, nor shelter staff can follow everyone home and watch each pet in perpetuity – they cannot take responsibility for what happens with your pet when you get home – pet ownership is about taking responsibility of your pet from day one. PR understands that private adoption has saved more lives from council run impounding facilities and animal shelters than any other method (including traditional rescue groups). In 2009/10 in most facilities direct adoptions outnumbered rescue by more than 2:1. This program builds on that history and helps more members of the public connect with potential new members of their family. Is every single rehoming successful? Sadly no. Just like when we drive a car, the risk of having an accident is serious and all precautions taken. However, with over 1,000 dogs helped, how many would have to go wrong before you dismantle all programs and let these pets be killed? If 10 pets are unsuccessful (or have owners that are not responsible enough for their care and control creating a negative outcome), do you kill the remaining 990 just in case? What about a ridiculous figure like 50? Do you kill the remaining 950 just in case? Of course not. However, there are fanatics (and those with vested interests in breeding for example) who wish to derail any welfare program. With 400 happy adopters alone in one Facebook group DAP has, overall, proven an overwhelming success. The benefits of rehomed community pets and raising awareness of their killing are far reaching; 1. Advocacy vs Anger: The awareness of pets as a disposable commodity grows with each adoption and the killing of pets impounded is much more difficult to accept when one who has been saved lies at your feet. Pawrents stop playing the blame game and start advocating for adoption. 2. Poundie vs Puppy Factory: A home with a rehomed community pet does not buy a puppy from a pet store or factory breeder, lowering demand and taking out another link in their income chain. 3. Awareness vs Secrecy: The acknowledgement that pets are killed in shelters and pounds, when promoted in a paradigm of action not blame, will reduce pets dumped by people who did not know what the outcome could be, providing new opportunities for training and understanding of pet ownership responsibilities. THE FUTURE; 1) Pound Rounds has plans well underway for a rescue centre, where pets can be temporarily housed during peak seasons for kennelling and impounds, with a strong focus on rehabilitation of pets exhibiting behaviours that require training, prior to rehoming. 2) We are very excited about the roll out of nationwide program we lovingly call Inmates for Inmates (ex-poundie Assistance Dog Program) supported by training in Correctional Facilities. Began as an experimental program, this program is another first of its kind. The connection between inmates and abandoned pets was unprecedented and this has led, not only to an expansion of the program, but also a formal study on the benefits of poundies for rehabilitation of inmates – and all the while the rehabilitation and training of the pooch! 3) One of the programs we are most proud of is the divestment of support from the public to rescue groups far and wide. Pound Rounds aim to do itself out of job! We could not save them all and focus on the new kill lists every week - it would be impossible! Supporting and growing the rescue community with new groups, carers and funding is the best way to ensure a larger participation rate in rescue for years to come. Thanks to you, there are 1,000 beating hearts with a second chance at life. You cared. You acted.See More

What a beautiful photo :) I love it when my dogs play with sticks together, it always makes me laugh.

Awesome Kel and Merryn, wonderful for the HP dogs and cats You guys are amazing!

http://www.facebook.com/poundroundsbeware This is a link to a site set up to warn others about the group Pound Rounds on facebook. It is a new site, feel free to add your comments or suggestions :)

This group don't adhere to anything they present to Councils.

Sas, they do desex. Most dogs go from HP to a particular vet for desexing, the vetwork is paid for with donations from the facebook site. There is no doubt some dogs are going entire, I am not sure about the Greyhound in the OP. There is nothing in the clause which requires a group to desex, which I find mind blowing to say the very least!

There is a lot going on behind the scenes Sheridan, for obvious reason it cant be posted. I have only just heard of this latest incident, though I would assume it is in NSW.