Nic.B

:laugh: I came home to snow inside last week, I had taken the outside cover off the big communal bed to wash and tucked a blanket over and underneath it. I had had a very busy few days and not spent nearly enough time with the dogs, then I decided to have lunch at work rather than come home because I was exhausted. Apparently that was the last straw :laugh: Agree with what others have said, warm cheap bedding for now, interesting toys/stimulation/training. Empty plastic soft drink bottles are fantastic toys (lid and label removed) cardboard boxes, toilet rolls. Nylabones are also great for teething and chewing. Treat balls keep puppies busy for a while, you can feed part of their meals that way.

Bandits! the whole lot of them. Why do they have to be so cute while stalking us at the same time :laugh:

What about men! some take everything bar the kitchen sink into the toilet :laugh: then sit there for ever! Love the pics, Stan as always is a hoot! I love you Stanley :) My three always stand there when I go to the loo, never any peace

Many retired Guide Dog's retire with their Handlers and continue to live the life of their dreams. Some retired Guide Dogs are very carefully placed into pet homes, retire with their puppy raisers or with Guide Dog trainers/staff. They are clearly treasured dogs, everyone from their puppy raisers. All of those who have worked and interacted with the dogs are very passionate. Guide Dogs are very special souls :) Story's as above make me shudder, it is beyond my comprehension and certainly not uncommon.

Such a special soul Grumpette I love the teeff :)

Aw! So adorable! I was about to post something, then saw this gorgeous face and have forgotten :laugh: My dogs are all crate trained, we use crates regularly and the dogs value them. It is their special safe place :) Actually I would like one of my own! Maybe I could get some peace lol. Crates are a great management tool, particularly for down time. Fern is a hideous bench surfer and is always crated while I cook as I am terrified she will pull a boiling pot or pan off the stove and all over her. Over Easter my entire family were here. My sisters youngest adores dogs, I could see and feel the dogs relife when they went to their crates and I closed the gate. My little neice was not impressed and threw a tantrum (which didnt work out for her!).

Didi is gorgeous! My large breed has been munching on her nylabone in her crate, noisy girl. I buy baby wipes (organic bamboo) and use them a lot for the dogs. Just wipe them over to remove loose coat, dust and dirt etc. I find it freshens the dogs up really well, esspecially before bed :)

The fact is there is a huge difference between dogs on a 'kill list' and dogs 'safe' with rescue as seen by the general public. Seriously! no member of the public stands a chance at comprehending the enormity of a true kill list and why should they? Unless you want to prey upon peoples emotions and manipulate. They are two different things. Both are vital, the difference between the good, bad and ugly for the public and of course the dogs themselves is who’s hands they fall into.

Believe it or not I was actually agreeing with you but simply stating that SOME people may have the ability to take on an animal that needed more work. People take impounded dogs regulaly. It happens every single day of the week :) And so it should! Plenty of people work out of bounds and have the ability to do all sorts of things though if the dog in front of you is made a priorty the dogs welfare it is a no brainer when it comes to rehome.

Ok. Kill lists do not only ever just involve you, your family and your experience. As a member of the public with no idea looking at kill lists how would you fair? I do not believe I have taken anything out of context for a member of the public who stumbles upon "Kill Lists".

DD she was not referring to her own story.

Yes. And a dog sent sight unseen let alone medical or behavioural assesment in any way shape or form to an unknown home is pathetic IMO when lives are at stake. Czzzy's post is not, and will never come close to reputable rescue.

This! ^ Once a dog has rescue and is in foster care (IMO) the emphasis needs to shift from their background (no matter how terrible) to their new positive future. Focus on the great qualities the dog has to offer, what training they have learnt, quirky or funny personality traits etc. All dogs are individual in nature, temp, makeup and personality. Allow them to shine :)

Skip I think all responsible dog owners worry about loose dogs and the possiblity of a negative experience or an attack you are not alone. It's a bit like driving, you can be a fantastic driver, follow the road rules, speed limits and drive safely yet you still have to deal with other (idiot) drivers! From what you have described I would ditch your walks and focus upon training, socialisation in controlled environments for now and seek pro help. I dont think any great trainer or behaviourist would guarentee anything 100% They would need to meet you all, discuss the problems you all face and begin from there. I am not an expert at all, though know an important part of a trainers role is to support and empower owners just as much (if not more) than their dogs :) I would ask for help :) You will be amazed with the confidence you will develop which is awesome for both you and your dogs!

A fear aggressive dog that is actually willing to attack is quite likely to warn, warn, warn while you're facing it then lunge when you turn your back. I wouldn't risk turning my back personally. I'd rather be bitten on my arse than on any part of the front of me... T. Maybe T though I would never turn my back on a fear aggressive dog, you are almost guaranteed a bite on the back of the legs/bum which is something to avoid under any circumstances. I would not be able to close my eyes either. Sure no eye contact, though I would still want to be aware of the dogs body language and movements even if it is just a subtle observation without direct vision of the dog.

I would not set my dogs up for failure to begin with. I would only socialise my dogs in a safe, positive controlled environment though to begin with I would not socialise them at all under the above circumstances. Way to much for all of you. Back to basics, training and exercise at home. Keep things simple, achievable and positive. Seek out a great behaviourist who will support both you and your dogs :) Your description (for me) sounds as though both you and your dogs have lost it. Once it reaches that point you are in damage control mode which in your case could have been avoided. I am not being critical at all, just an honest opinion on what you have described. Good news is it can improve enormously with a fantastic trainer :)

I am glad you stepped in SG, I cant stand seing dogs bullied. It happens far too often. Even worse when the owner says "Oh he/she is just playing"

I have only ever been through this once I hope I never have to deal with it again. We were VERY lucky as I only had my large breed with me, if I had taken the other two (elderly medium and small breed) I hate to think what would have happened. IMO it would have resulted in death. Three dogs approached us very aggressively, one large breed two medium breeds. The large breed was leading, one backed her up just to the side and a bit further back to her right, the other (more timid) came in behind us. It was a nightmare. I have never kicked anything so hard in my life before once they attacked, I actually had one pinned down by the throat with my boot at one stage. I kept it down even though it was whimpering. Luckily I had steal capped boots on. I now know what people mean when they say frenzied attack. The mistake I made was to put Fern into a drop as they approached, I thought her size would intimidate them (she was larger in size than all of them) Afterwards I wondered if I had done the wrong thing, since then I realise I did. More than one attacking dog is hideous, if you had more than one dog of your own I hate to think Hazy Wal went through this recently. Stupid thing is I had never walked the dogs off the property! There are some really good suggestions when dealing with one aggressive dog, when more than one is involved it is much harder. This is a great thread. I have thought of a spray though wondered about those personal alarms women use? Would something like that make a difference? They are really loud though also high pitched.

Yes, Souff did that once. Waited for 2 hours in the summer sun for owner to arrive home. Take water with you if you suspect this might happen ;) :laugh:

They sure do! I love the way Grey's mooch with their own and how goofy they are. When walking in groups they saunter along affectionately bumping into each other randomly :laugh: cracks me up every time!

No bad reactions aside from an electricity meter reader years and years ago who was in a fowl mood, screaming, yelling and waving his arms about like a banchi before coming into the house yard. I was home and asked him to wait while I called the dogs, he ignored me, continued and started going off at me! I was shocked and kept looking at the van to make sure it was an integral energy employee. He then told me my small breed was going to get his boot up his arse if he didnt stop barking. At that point I told him to leave our property. Then he really went off :laugh: I put in a formal complaint and the area manager and another lady came out to meet with us. The dogs were laying about around us and chilled out as usual. I was told there had been disiplinary action though not what that was (which is fair enough). Self read metres even since!

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I have no clue what you are going on about with the greyhounds. The two I had when I was on this forum one was adopted and I am facebook friends with her and the dog is very spoiled and in a good home. The other one was also adopted and doing well how that is damaging the breed I do not know. Seems to me that in the last year a few more greyhound rescues have popped up and although they all seem to be full all the time it seems that a lot of greyhounds are being saved, I even referred someone to GAP to get a dog and they did and are very happy with their new dog. So you have me stumped on this one but if that is how you feel so be it I wont ever change your mind. I'll guess it has something to do with muzzles for a start. There was a thread last year where you were quoted from FB. Well said Anna :) Rebanne, I agree.

This is wise advice. You need to slow it down. I was another at the recieving end of you and your mob though do not need or want an appology from you or anyone else. In fact it would be an insult at this stage.