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For everyone who is looking for a pet friendly rental 3 bedroom, 1 bathroom weatherboard home in the Yarra Valley (Woori Yallock). PETS WELCOME. Newish kitchen, boards and tiles to the living area. Reverse cycle air conditioner, coonara, in ground pool, fully fenced back yard. Minutes walk to Warburton Trail, school, kinder, shops and public transport. $320 per week, available from the 19th June.

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Oh uh!! We are doing about 6 ks a day now at about 12ks an hour five or six times a week. I am a bit worried about him though, two weeks ago ago he dumped his coat and quite a bit of weight. Although looking back when he had his first coat drop as a 14 month at this exact same time of year last year he also lost alot of weight? I have doubled his food and while he is still full of beans and his usual over the top self I am worried about his condition (or lack thereof!) Any ideas on putting on weight sensibly while training.

What a fabulous idea! Pity I only saw this thread today but have noted the date in the diary and will bring out the youngsters for the next one :)

Thanks M. Although I don't Samoyed and 'willing' have ever been mentioned in the same sentence. Defiant, stubborn, independent, even wilful We will give it a good go! We have an app on the iphone which was free, it measures distance covered, time taken and average speed but I think I was also get a proper speedo too, bit easier to use on the move. Good luck!

Naww thanks Esky, I think it is fear of the unknown! I feel like I am flying blind and have no idea what I am doing :laugh: You know if you do want to cross the border to do 'it' we always have a Sibe friendly bed available :D Thanks Melody I was just planning on using Sale in case I failed the first one!!

Can I join this thread? I have never completed an Endurance Test so this thread has been a great read. I was planning on doing 2 of my dogs this year and 2 next year , one is too young and other is ah attending to other 'duties' for six months. Unfortunately one of the dogs who I was going to ET has just had surgery so I am down to one. We have been doing about 5 or 6 ks a day, six days a week for the last month but I have just realised we were only going at about 9.5ks so have upped the speed to 11 and dropped a k or so. We will increase the distance again in the next couple of weeks and we need to start on other surfaces because our trail is gravel. I am really worried about the willingness test, Fergus isn't the brightest spark. If we only had to stand and do a triangle and out and back we wouldn't have a problem. He has a fabulous recall but ask him to sit and he usually rolls onto his back and waves at you!! Could be interesting for the tester :laugh: :laugh: I am thinking of entering the GSDC test and maybe also entering Sale as well in case we fail the first time because I really have no idea what I am doing!

I have a Kamikaze, no guess how she got her name. As a bubba at show she would throw herself off a trolley or the vet table or anything else you were silly enough to place her on, land on her feet and keep going. Luckily as she gets older she is becoming more and more of a princess but she still clears my kitchen breakfast bar which is 4 foot high and two foot wide from a standing start without touching it. She is very cat like, very cheeky, full of attitude and extremely agile and could easily clear our six foot fences without touching them. Thankfully it has never occured to her to do so, she would much prefer to stay close to her loyal subjects so they can wait on her. I also have Kato, not named after the tractor but after the indian tribe who tatooed their warpaint on, his grandsire is named Warpaint of course. And I have Fergus, named after the Scottish man who was actually supposed to have him but was told by his wife on the day he was supposed to pick him up if he did she was leaving. Good thing that, he is of course now a multiple class in show and best in group winner. My other two are Tikaani and Bundy which are quite normal :laugh:

I was really looking forward to this weekend away and catching up with my South Oz friends. Stupid weather gods!!! but not a hope I would cope with the heat, my dogs are crazy they would have revelled in it.

I agree with the above Has never not worked within a minute so my only advice would be not to do it inside on your pure wool carpets :laugh:

We have always stayed in cabins at Gunbower but this year will be camping in a powered site at the caravan park in Cohuna, it is pretty much right next door. Not sure if there are showers or powered sites at the show grounds.

Sorry Chicko I don't know, there is one in NSW and the SCV also does rescue. JonnyT Snowispa in Victoria have just a litter of all boy puppies. http://www.snowispasamoyeds.com/ While I understand your excitement to have a puppy NOW sometimes that just isn't realistic and it is wiser to wait for the right puppy from the right breeder.

Yeah you're righ H I apologise but I am so pissed off and upset that my daughter wants nothing to do with the whole dog world because of people who believe it is okay to bully kids and newbies. So on that note I am taking my keyboard and going home.

Sorry Dellcara I did apologise earlier I just saw red when I was accused of using my child to toilet my dog in the ring I don't think I have ever heard something so ludicrous I only entered the conversation when it was mentioned that changing the points system was to encourage more entries and new people to showing. Mho is that the point system has very little to do with dwindling numbers and that we have more pressing issues as highlighted above but.................... I am very lucky I have a very numerically strong breed, the average entry is 25+. A quality example of my breed should have no problem acquiring 4 25 points ccs or 4 BIGS or 1 BIS. While I can sympathise with those in rare breeds who would find it impossible to acquire any 25 point cc, surely the grand title should only be given to the best of the best and a dog (or bitch) worthy of a grand champion title should (imho only) have no problem getting 4 BIGS, regardless of whether it is a rare breed or not. I don't believe it is right to award the Grand Champion to title to a dog simply because it has been to 167 shows and never, even beaten another dog (same breed or another). All that proves is the how dedicated the owner is.

I don't think I have ever been to a show at KCC Park when there hasn't been exhibitors practicing with their young dogs before a show, either inside or out. It is the norm to have quite a few exhibitors in the rings at lunch time taking photos with their dogs. Hey you learn something new everyday! Is that just before a show, at lunchtime, after a show, what about the second day of a two day show. What about the week before or day before seeing as most country shows in Victoria are at various sports grounds, ovals and reserves, or does this rule only apply to grounds actually owned by DOGSNSW & WA. Is this an actual rule or one of those unwritten ones that newbies get abused about for not knowing. Oh well still there are ways to go about things, a simple, 'exhibitors aren't allowed to practice in the rings before show in nsw to a parent would have been met with a oooh I wasn't aware of that and then this then a graceful exit rather than an upset child and a rather pissed off mother. edited to add *shrugs* if you wanted to get technical I suppose we were still in Victoria where I still don't believe it to be a crime but anyhow.....................

Well a big thank you for ensuring my young daughter doesn't want to step back into the ring!! Okay if you would like to get the facts straight lets go..... All three of my dogs had already been excercised that morning and taken to the toilet. Unfortunately my dogs are just that, dogs and not robots. Occassionally shit happens, which it did, unfortunately it just seems to happens more when you drive four hours to a country show and are away. If you had of paid more attention before jumping to conclusions you would have witnessed me covering the boys in potato flour because they were wet after going for a run at six that morning. She gaited the bitch around the ring a dozen or more times because unfortunately one of her problems as a young handler is she does not move her fast enough, she was not at any stage exercising her or using the ring as a toilet. I had three dogs with me and at no stage did she take the older dog into the ring because she didn't 'need' to practice with him. She showed the bitch in her class and again for bob. She had also asked to show the puppy in the challenge line up so I had also asked her to have a quick practice with him because he is quite headstrong (naughyy!). If you believe I don't like getting my dogs dirty maybe you should take a visit to a Samoyed owners/breeder house, 99% of the time my dogs are muddy or dusty, they spend their days in the paddock chasing bunnies and possums and digging holes and their nights inside with their family. Muddy/wet feet is the least of my worries, I have towels, wonderwash and potato flour, however rabbit blood is harder to get out. As for being well known Okay whatever I have no answer for that, I could be a complete bitch and mention old ladies who believe the own rings/grounds but that would just be rude and that isn't me . The second (not the first) day for a show when two groups have already been on the previous day may just be a little late for 'smells on the ring' as you say. This is exactly what I mean, attack first, ask questions later and of a child!! C'mon if you have an issue with a child you speak to their parent, you don't have a go at a child for having fun with her dog the moment the parents back is turned!! But why am I explaining this to you anyhow . If anyone can refer me to the rule that states a child can't practice with a dog in a ring before/after/or at lunch time can they please refer it to me. I used to practice in the ring when I was just starting out, I rarely do it anymore because it just isn't worth the trouble as the above proves and I do know some 'older' exhibitors do not like it. If I do it is usually only with a baby but to think it is okay to have a 'go' at a child for practicing with her dog, I am truly gobsmacked Which gets back to my original point about exhibitors attitudes being the reason for declining numbers, I thought we were supposed to encourage children and newbies!! I am far from perfect, I try hard to be, I try to say thank you and please to the judge and steward and congratulations to the other exhibitor, I am happy to help anyone, I make mistakes, I have taken the wrong dog in the ring, tripped over my dog, stood on my dog, have died of embarrassment when my dogs has pissed on someones gazebo, have had a dog piss on my leg, have sent entries to the wrong secretary, have sent entries to myself, don't ask, have forgotten to take a dog in, have taken a dog in when they have supposed to be, have even had one of my oh so naughty dogs non awarded for behaviour, they only thing I haven't done is fall over but my day will come, hey some days I am just happy to stay upright.. I have also have also had some amazing wins and met some fantastic people who I am proud to call friends. But cmon the bitchiness I witness at almost every other show is just insane, this is supposed to be fun, is it really hard to smile, say please and thank you and just to be nice to one another!! But thank you again Barney. My daughter isn't showing 'again' this weekend and next year the committee will be missing out on my 100 dollars worth of entries, the caravan park the $150 in accomadation, the soccer club 50 or so dollars in food, the vendors the $200 or so I spent on 'stuff' (I needed ) and the pub the 200 or so I spent on dinner Enough rambling back to Victoria this week where I am glad to say I can't recall seeing a child told off for having a practice in the ring with their dog :D Instead I may just witness two "ladies" go ten rounds in the carpark But yet again that is just mho, I have only been around for a handful of years, I don't know what it was like 10 or 20 years ago. Which is has completely gotten away from the original topic, oops, sorry, as I said I have only been around for four year and the new system or old system of points will have no bearing on my entry or lack thereof.

And a seasoned exhibitor telling a newbie that she is going to throttle her &*(@#$ dog is As I said he wasn't going off, he woowooed (not barked) once, not twice, not ten times, once when the judge began to judge the toy dog. He is a junior who had been out of ring for six months. I show Samoyeds, they are naturally a stubborn, independent, noisy breed who thinks for themselves, they have to be to do the job they were originally bred for. For that reason alone I always leave plenty of room in front of me so my occassionally boisterous dogs (yep dogs, not robots, dogs) don't have a chance to upset the person or dog in front of us. I can't be responsible for any group seven exhibitor or dog who chooses to stack to close to us. I would have no problem if someone turned around and said look you're really upsetting my dog could you please move away, try up quiten him down etc, etc but her exact words were 'if you do not shut that #$%^^&* dog up I will shut it up for you. Etiquette indeed *sigh* I suppose you have missed the point though, this is just one of one hundred examples I could have chosen to highlight. I could have chosen to highlight the fistfight that happened beside my car between two exhibitors instead But that is just my humble opinion about declining numbers ;) Edited to add I am very happy your first experience in the ring was fantastic LC and please don't get me wrong, I too have the best mentor / breeder ever and have made lifelong friends, friends who are just not show friends but I now call true friends. I truly do love showing, I love my dogs and I love spending my weekends with my close friends. Just the behaviour of some (not all!!) just some 'showies' leaves a hell of alot to be desired. But yet again that is just my humble opinion as to why numbers could be dropping.

I have been showing for about four years and really don't have a view on the new (or the old) points system but I do have a view on why I believe numbers are and have been dropping. I have four show dogs and am currently campaigning another. My first dog has won two best in shows and and five best in groups, he is on about 400 points but is now semi retired because I find my younger dogs more exciting to show. My young bitch has won a best in group and a runner up best in group at Sunbury, she holds multiple 25 point challenges, it took me until she was two and half to get her titled and a further six weeks to get another 200 points, she is a late maturer but I will be aiming for her grand regardless of the rules. My 18 months old will hit the ring again after a six month break, he is a best in group winner, he is not titled, he sits on 75 points made up with three 25 point challenge. My young dog has just turned one and has one 16 point challenge. I don't show just to win although that is of course the icing on the cake, I show because I enjoy it, I love my dogs and have the company of some great friends and have made quite a few more. I have had some great wins but win or lose I bring home four dogs I wouldn't swap for all the gold in china. I am not a breeder and won't be for some time. I am going to Kimore this weekend with a friend, we have both had horrible weeks and we are looking forward to the junky greasy 'show food' more than showing the dogs!! Okay so scenario 1, am I in the best in show line up with a young dog, now I have Samoyeds that sparkle, they woo woo, they bark, they dance around the ring. The judge has just started judging and while we are relaxing my young dog woo woos at me. The lady beside me who is well known and whose dogs has dozens of best in show awards hisses under her breath 'if you don't shut that #$%^&* dog I will shut it up for you'. Scenario 2, my oh and I along with my youngest daughter go away to a show for the weekend, my youngest daughter is painfully shy and finds being in the ring nerve racking at the best of times even though she enjoys it. We are the second group on both days, day one comes and goes and early on the morning of day 2 my daughter decides she would like to show a dog so I tell her to go and have a quick practice in the ring before hand, this is an hour before the show starts. The moment my back is turned she is told in a not very nice by an old 'lady' to get out of her ring. These are only two examples from the last two weeks, I could quote dozens more but anymore would be just rambling which I have already done enough of........... but as a newbie I truly believe the declining numbers have nothing to do with titles and how they obtained but rather the attitudes of certain people. Unfortuanately I have a thick skin and will continue to do what I enjoy. I have two to title and a further two who are working towards their grands regardless of the rules.

Bobby We would love you to join us in the Samoyed and Japanese Spitz thread :D

Oh Beth my daughter needs new suits/jackets, I have Samoyeds. Are you the lady with the daughter who also does junior handlers?

With almost 60 Samoyeds entered and over 400 in group 6 at Sunbury yesterday my little priness Kami "Ch Aldonza Fly Like ET (ai)" was not only Best Of Breed but Runner Up Best Exhibit In Group

Congratulations LizT

Following on from BBJs results from Mt Gambier ;) Group 6 Friday BIG Samoyed CH Anaky Harvey Wallbanger :D :D RUBIG Dobe Baby Pyrenean Minor Saint Puppy Samoyed Junior Inter Ausbred BIG Open Saturday BIG Samoyed Ch Aldonza Fly Like ET (ai) :D RUBIG Boxer Baby Pyrenean Minor Saint Puppy Neo Junior Samoyed Aldonza My Man The Minder :D Inter BIG Ausbred Open Junior In Show Aldonza My Man The Minder :D Sunday BIG Samoyed Aldonza My Man The Minder :D RUBIG Boxer Baby Pyrenean Minor Saint Puppy Aldonza ET Be Good (ai) :D Junior BIG Inter RUBIG Ausbred Saint Open Happy for anyone to fill in the missing classes I am off to bed

Geelong Royal Saturday 15th Aldonza Fly Like ET (ai) BCC and new Australian Champion :D Aldonza ET Be Good (ai) RDCC, RUBOB and Puppy In Group BIG & Ausbred Boxer RUBIG & Junior Dobe Baby Akita BIS Pug RUBIS English Setter Puppy In Show Schip Kyabram Saturday 15th Aldonza Meet My Man Mannu BOB, BIG and new Australian Champion :D Aldonza Playing Possum BCC and Open In Group. Congratulations everyone

Which is why it so important to only get a puppy from a registered 'ethical' breeder. Christine we should have a very, very special litter due about August of next year and possibly one due at the start of the year. Unfortunately puppy buyers aren't allowed to choose their puppy, puppies need to be matched to the family they are going to and this isn't something you can do at birth or even a few weeks of age. I would be very wary of a breeder that allows you to pick your own puppy.