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Thanks nickojoy....I'm really interested in considering all options and what normally happens because I haven't dealt with it before. I want to make sure I do the right thing by the breeder as much as I want to by me. I just didn't know what the expectation or ethical thing to do is - dangerous ground I know because everyone is different.......

Hi Guys, I am restricted from the Breeders Directory but have a question for the breeders about how stud services are arranged and what the "done thing" is in relation to whether the bitch has pups. I have been approached by some breeders to use my dog and we have agreed on a price but they have asked me what happens if their bitch doesn't have any pups?? I am travelling a considerable distance to provide my dog for them and have said that I am willing to provide a free return mating (with payment only of my costs to transport the dog up to them again) if their bitch doesn't fall pregnant. What do other breeders do if the bitch doesn't fall? Do you refund the stud fee or part of it? I'm interested to know what the etiquette is here. My dog is a proven stud dog and has sired litters before. Thanks

Do you have a link for their website Indiegirl? I found a link in an old thread about dog runs but it takes me to a webhosting site. There seems to be a bit of a shortage of companies I can find up here in Qld and I'm looking at run options for 4 dogs at the moment. Thanks

Hi - I have two of these and had them for two years and they aren't too bad. What i would recommend with them is that you have two people at least to assemble them as the chain wire can be a bit tricky when you're by yourself. Also the wire ties they supply to attach the chain wire were pretty flimsy and I went and got a roll of fencing wire instead. To be perfectly honest the only advantage of these is that they are somewhat portable and you can move them however, please make sure they aren't sitting directly on the ground all the time (I set mine up on pavers) as rust can be a problem. You can set up a similar type of run for your dog if you get some second-hand weldmesh fence panels, an old gate, star pickets and some wire which you can use to rig up a pretty secure run. Also, if you know a good fencer, I'd also talk to them about options - they may have some odds and ends from previous jobs they could use to set up a run for you. Good luck

I agree with managing it this way to be honest. I have no idea why this person is so adament about obtaining papers but as per the regs, you have to report it as deceased so I've give them a copy with deceased written on it say that it's the rules and that's the only way you can give them anything. Do you have anything in writing from them stating that the puppy died? If you have an email for them or something maybe you should send them a confirmation to please reply advising the date the puppy died that way you have some documentation to back you up. Not a fun situation and there's definately something a bit odd about it but by giving them what they've asked for within the bounds of the regulations may avoid the situation degenerating further. Good luck.

I'd contact the ranger - this is not acceptable and what is more dangerous is that the owner isn't taking responsibility.

Well done and congratulations - make sure you have a big celebration

Conztruct, the owner of the dog apparently said that the dog had diarrhea and vomiting for several weeks which goes to say that perhaps they have not been as diligent as they should have been. I totally acknowledge this Abigail and I certainly wouldn't have handled it the same way as this owner did, but what I am saying is that we can't judge other people and their diligence by what we would do in a certain situation, and there is no guarantee that the owner told Monah the full story behind what was going on, so I don't see the point in getting angry and upset about it - concerned sure, but not angry and upset. As for the some of the comments by the other posters, I don't think you are being over-dramatic about it and Monah isn't a "moaner" (WTF - not exactly called for......) - it's just the way that you would manage a situation like that - everyone's different and will manage things differently....as i said though i don't see the point in being angry or upset, or questioning the care the owner is giving their dog.

Whilst I applaud your interest and concern for this dog, it's very difficult to judge the owner without knowing all of the facts and there seems to be a lot missing. The other posters who have mentioned that conditions can come on very quickly are right and the decision to go to the vet is just as subjective as people going to the doctor - some go immediately there may be a hint of something wrong and others can be seriously ill but still refuse to go....... I think it's good that the owner has taken the dog to the vet and that should be something that we want to see and praise - not become angry/upset about. After all, a lot of people don't bother at all. If you asked the owner if you could check back with them to see how their dog was and they agreed I don't see any problem with it but I don't believe the vets should be giving out information about animals to people they don't belong to - I know your heart's in the right place on this, but would you want to your vet giving out information about your dog to anyone who wanted to know?

Hasn't upset me - it's absolutely true - bull terriers do require the appropriate work, socialisation, training and caution if untested in situations. They are powerful dogs and can inflict damage. This is true not only for BTs but for a lot of other breeds as well. Pele is a great example of how early socialisation, positive training and ongoing work can result in a very very well-adjusted, clever and sociable bull terrier (and a great credit to the work that Bully has done with her) but this rarely just occurs without all this work happening. My BTs are all sooks however, i take appropriate steps to ensure that there is never a situation where something bad could happen. All the other comments i totally agree with but with owning any dog you need to be realistic and aware of the great part that early training and socialisation play. Doing some research on the breed and asking questions and taking advice prior to determining if a BT is for you is vital IMHO.

Hi, As with the other posters - i am no training expert at all. All I can say is that it takes perserverence and positive training to get the result but it can be done. Here's a few things I can think of - I've done it with a few pretty stubborn and silly bull terriers and it's worked - I'm about to start it again with one who seems to think she is a windmill and does all the stuff yours seems to be doing. 1. Start small - just a very short distance and if the dog does it well - reward with a treat. This starts teaching your dog what you are looking for but not overloading them. 2. If the dog pulls or jumps, stop and ignore - reset the dog and try again. 3. Train in small sessions 10mins or so. 4. If you just get totally frustrated - don't do any training and just play a game with your dog. 5. Don't be harsh on yourself for using a check chain - just make sure you only use it as a last resort to correct very bad behaviour - try to get the desirable behaviour with positive methods wherever possible. The positive reward for desirable behaviours and ignoring the undesirable will help to teach your dog what you are looking for. 6. Remember your dog is still a baby and loves playing so keep things fun and light on. As I said I'm no expert at all. There is a book "When Pigs Fly: Training Success with Impossible Dogs" or something like that by Jane Killion - it is a very worthwhile investment about positive training methods and making training fun. I absolutely swear by it and it's pretty cheap online. Hope it all goes well

I use a rinse on my adult dogs that contains a capful of eucalyptus, tea tree and lavendar oil diluted in about 7-8 litres of water - i don't put it over their head though. It seems ok for them although i don't think I'd use it on a pup - as the other posters have stated it's powerful stuff - I'd only ever use it very heavily diluted.

I agree - the bible - not only for bull terriers but any dog I reckon........

Hahahahahaha.......so true, or for mine when you have to move them to have a bath.....

Hi Jason, There is a topic in the Dogs 101 thread which will probably give you a fair bit of information about the breed. In terms of my experiences with them as an owner, they are generally very people friendly, can be trained and are easy to care for. However, you do need to be careful to ensure they are well socialised and a training program commences early. Bull Terriers aren't any more aggressive than other dogs - it has a lot to do with the environment in which they are raised however, you do need to understand that bull terriers are powerful dogs and can inflict more damage than other breeds can if involved in a scrap. Bull Terriers i've found are generally quite stubborn but will pretty much do whatever you want providing they get the reward they want - positive training works very well with them. I would suggest that you do some research online, etc about the breed and you may also like to speak to a breeder who can provide you with some more information (the websites of breeders on here are quite helpful). Hope your search goes well. Cheers.

Sorry - I'm a little too far away in Qld but try looking up Honhazsta (I think I got that right) or Akiran. I'm sure there's others but those are the two I remember off hand.

I agree - I haven't been showing that long and ribbons and stuff really don't do it for me.....that's just a personal thing. I can understand how it would encourage some people though. For me, I always got a lot more encouragement and pleasure from judges, stewards or my mentors telling me that I did a good job showing my dog/bitch and that they looked good out there in the ring and that's been enough to keep me hooked. To be honest, my most rewarding show moment was probably when I handled one of my friends staffies in a challenge line-up recently (was the first time I've ever handled someone else's dog)....I think we came 3 out of 4 (LOL) but a person in the show world who I really respect said afterward "you actually did a good job of handling that staffie" - I was stoked - a certificate or ribbon wouldn't have done the same for me. Everyone's different I guess.

Agree with your thumbs down Abigail......while it may be hard for the owner of the offenders and I hate the thought of the dogs being PTS, if his dogs are dog aggressive it's his responsibility to keep them properly contained so there's no chance of them getting out - no excuses. It's a shame that there isn't some regulation over who is allowed to own certain breeds, this is a tragic event given that it would have been prevented if a responsible owner was looking after the offending dogs. As well as the dogs being PTS there needs to be some hefty consequences for the owner as well. IMO the owner of chis, etc should be suing this man for his negligence......

I think it's great that you did some research and were honest enough to work out that the St was not for your family and it was polite of you to go back to the breeder and tell them - a lot of them get no response at all if people lost interest or decide the breed is not for them. I guess how p1ssed the breeder may have been could have come about from the conversations you had especially if you said "yes, we definately want one of your puppies" - I think breeders have an expectation that if the enquiry gets to the that stage, that the buyer has already worked out whether the breed is for them. I only said "if" - I don't know what the context of your conversation was - if you'd said "we're interested but I need to do some research first and will respond to you" then I don't think they should have been too upset about it.

Hi Guys, Thanks for the all the pronunciations - that's awesome. I table write at shows and they really want me to steward but I've always said "no way" because I'm afraid I'll pronounce the breed names incorrectly - lol.

I might be wrong so please correct me if I am but I think that the context in which some of the breeders on here are describing time-wasters is when they have a litter of puppies advertised and somebody contacts them saying they are interested and then gives them the line about "no room", "haven't discussed with OH", etc etc. I don't think they're referring to a situation where somebody calls them and explains that they aren't currently in a position to buy but would like some information about the breed etc....right? I think there's a big difference between using a perceived interest in buying as a means to obtain informations, pics, prices, etc rather than just being honest and saying you're researching. I haven't met many breeders who have a problem providing information if it is requested in the right way. There's two different situations and I think the time-wasting refers to the former which is, let's face it, a bit deceptive. That's just my experience and I know there's all types out there so every experience isn't always going to be positive or that straight forward.

I agree with showdog - go to the council, tell them what has happened and what you are doing about. I'd also let them know that you've made the effort to check with the other neighbours who haven't noticed this alleged problem. I know all council's are different in their views but if you are making appropriate effort to resolve, there's nothing better than when your neighbours complain to the council and are told that "yes, we know all about it, the owner has been very cooperative and is working with us to resolve the situation". I'd check what the council's definition of nuisance dog noise is - I'm sure it would be more than 3-4 minutes in the morning - I think Nekhbet may be right in saying it would not be a viable nuisance claim but it's better to try and sort it out with the council prior to escalation. I agree that people should be entitled to quiet enjoyment of their property but a bit of barking for such a short period does not constitute their veracity. Is there maybe a Kong or treat toy you can give him when you leave to occupy him? I wouldn't go down the path of saying anything to your neighbour at this stage - if they're this picky, you don't want them to become more vindictive and the situation to deteriorate however, you may like to consider maybe putting up a "Private Property - Keep Out" sign just to give them a subtle message Good luck - I hope it all works out without too much difficulty.

I don't think we can define it so easily as it means different things to different people. To some it may mean exactly what you say "don't contact me unless you're definately going to buy the puppy" whereas others may simply state it to try and deter people who are asking for something which isn't available (which to my way of thinking is wasting the breeders time). I'm sure most place this on their adverts without being too extreme about it but it's probably the product of a lot of bad experiences in the past. It does go both ways - breeders are usually pretty clear about what they are selling so I think the buyer needs to be quite clear about what they're looking for so the breeder can decide if it is a good match. I've read threads on here where potential buyers have hassled the breeder about what they want when they could have wound up the conversation within 2 minutes at the start when the breeder told them "I'm sorry, I don't have anything like that available" - it's totally a product of frustration I'm sure. The breeder I have purchased from was great - she has a list of questions that she asks anyone who wants something from her to answer and from there she's able to advise if she can help - if not, she offers to contact other breeders she knows to see if they have what the buyer is looking for and I think the system works great.

This made me laugh so much, oh B! You are a character! I can just imagine that 'my god I've done it!' glint in his eye! This makes me feel better about my "umm, sweetie, can you just stop grasping her so I can have a feel around under all that lovely fluff?" moment on Saturday Hahaha - sounds like you had a great time. Yeah B is a bit precious sometimes and it was one of our first shows so it was really embarrassing....LOL

Thanks Craig! I meant to reply to your message but I forgot because I was asleep when I got it I may need to get a lift with you yet, stupid car company in Bris mightn't have my Jeep ready Are you taking a tent? LOL - that's fine. A lift out to the ag is fine - just let me know. I'm heading out early that morning. I'll have the gazebo in the car so there'll be plenty of shade Cool Are we staying overnight? No - I don't think we'll need to - there should be time for the dog show and to have a bit of a look around the Ag show and still be home in time for dinner - lol. It's only about 1.5 hours so should be all good.