Romana

SOUTH AUSTRALIA, Berri, Riverland (250km northeast of Adelaide, along the highway to Sydney): I offer a low-budget VERY pet-friendly accommodation for up to 5 people in 3-bedroom house for only $90 per night. Dogs and cats allowed indoors and can even sleep with you in the beds. Early bookings recommended. Phone(08) 8582 5058

For future reference > the correct page to advertise lost and found dogs in Adelaide is: https://www.facebook.com/adelaidedogs

Thank you. The police has been informed, and the micro-chip registry, too. I will post on the other site as well, and try the dogzonline one once again, too. Thanks to all of you!

Thank you, mixeduppup. I just found out how it works. It seems like that section won't accept ads from breeders who are not registered with the ANKCA (which I am not and will not). I am a registered breeder (but not with the ANKCA, because they won't recognise Australian-bred WHITE SWISS SHEPHERD DOGS, although the rest of the whole world will) and my dog is a very valuable purebred stud male who I gave in care to a person in Adelaide, having him sign a contract, and then this person disappeared with my dog and I am very concerned ... I will set up a new easy-to-find thread here in the forum and hope that someone will keep the eyes open at the right time.

I see that this site has a section called 'Classifieds - Lost & Found Dogs' - but there is no indication how to place an ad there. Any advice?

Juice, Mimimax, and a few others: You are obviously the type of people who drive other, friendly and peaceful, people out of online forums. At least I won't participate in this one any more if people like you keep desperately trying to find some fault in my history or on my website or in my previous online contributions rather than providing useful responses to my current question. I will delete all my contributions here, should this continue, because I strongly object to your attitude and behaviour. Minimax, firstly, it is a huge indiscretion to disclose the private identity and contact details (as featured on my website) of any other forum members, unless they have done it before themselves. Secondly, you did not at all specify in your first attack on me which litter you were talking about. Then, you were trying to ridicule me for picking the wrong one. But if you are interested in the whole story, here you are: With the litter that you have specified now, the only reason why we didn't want a litter at that time was a planned holiday trip. Both dogs were registered and approved for breeding, unrelated, old enough, perfectly healthy with good hip/elbow scores, and meant for each other. But, nevertheless, we brought the male to a boarding kennel for the time of the dam's heat and paid not little for his care. Three weeks later, I asked the manager of the dog boarding kennel to bring him back home, because my car had broken down on that day, but instead of first ringing the bell to notify me that they had arived, he first opened the back gate and let Brutus run into the backyard, not knowing that Envy was running free. We then cancelled our holiday trip. So, are you happier now? - Am I an irresponsible breeder and a horribly bad person because I didn't put chains and locks and warning signs on our back gate? I recommend you enquire about some details in future first, before you attack people out of some weird destructive mood. By the way, the dam and her pups in question here, on this thread, have been vet checked yesterday and found perfectly healthy. Nevertheless, an appointment has been arranged with a reproduction specialist (John) for next Monday, also to examine one of the (now frozen) pups to identify the cause of death. With that, I believe that we can close this thread now. Further comments on or off topic please by private mail directed to me only - as "thanks" to Minimax all of you now have direct access to my phone and email. Thank you and goodbye!

I just can't help it, have to answer once again. Most of you are talking like metropolitan citizens. You are not taking into perspective the lifestyle in the countryside, far away from the big cities. In our area, there is one (1) vet on call during the night within a radius of 100 km. I and the bitch's owner live only 20 km apart and use the same vet, but I get a breeder's discount, that's why I do all the calls. I kept in close touch with the first-time breeder over the phone last night. If I hadn't children and if there was someone else to look after them at night, I would have been there in person. Both of us, I and the first-time breeder, haven't slept a minute last night, but attended the birth. I also inquired yesterday afternoon in our vet clinic who would be on duty and I made the vet on duty aware that there is a certain possibility that she might get an emergency call in the middle of the night. She is not a reproduction specialist, but a young lady from Ireland, just graduated from uni and enjoying an exciting Aussie experience. It costs about $300 per hour to call her out in the middle of the night, and the clinic's safety policy is that the patient must come to the clinic, and house visits can be made in very exceptional cases only. Anyway, we still would have called the vet and would have gone for the drive with the birthing bitch if she had shown any signs of suffering or despair. But the mother was very relaxed and, according to her owner, didn't even appear like being in pain while she pushed the dead puppies out. The reason why I asked on an Internet forum was, because I wanted to know whether anyone here knows what BLACK GUMS AND A BLACK TONGUE could possibly mean in such a dead puppy. In our breed, puppies generally have pink gums and tongues when born. I thought someone here on the forum would know about this particular feature and point me to the right direction, why those puppies died. In the past, I have got many amazing answers from some incredible people on Internet forums, in Australia and internationally, including things which my vets didn't know and which, upon further examination, proved right.

Some people are very quick with their judgments, aren't they? For your information, I am a registered breeder and have bred dogs for 25 years. And yes, it was the bitch with the weird heat cycle, and she was vet checked twice, once before mating and then short before the end of her pregnancy (by my vet, that's why this vet was the best one to talk to, and I fully trust her expertise), and no health fault was found. And of course, I was very concerned when I heard about the dead puppies. After this, I already suggested to my friends not to breed with their bitch any more. Sad things happen, and vets cannot always help, or predict what will or could happen. With that, I guess we can close this discussion. Thanks again for all constructive and well-meant reactions. P.S.: And regarding the litter that someone who has no idea of the circumstances calls an "oops" litter - there was no "oops" at all. The litter was planned, well considered and the best option available at that time. With the next approved stud dog registered with your club living some 1000km far away and impossibility to travel whenever you want some people have to find more practical solutions, be it within or outside of specific clubs. I believe it is very rude to call everyone who does not join a specific club and stick together with its members only, a BYB. I not supporting such a two-class society. Ethics are not a matter of club memberships, and healthy good quality puppies neither. But I'm leaving this discussion now, as I see that it is sadly attracting some nasties.

I hope so, too. I will definitely recommend a vet check in the next few days. Better once too many than one too few. Thanks once again for all your concern and your advice.

The problem has been resolved, thank you for your answers - I actually just called my own vet (I am a breeder and have faster and cheaper access to vets than my mentoree) and my vet said that it can be quite 'normal' especially in large breeds that they have one or a few stillborn puppies in their litters, and also that birth giving can take quite a long time. (As far as I know the young mother hasn't had any contractions any more for the last two+ hours, so it seems to be over). "As long as the bitch behaves normally and does not show any signs of distress and will eat well and not have any unusual discharge from her vulva in the next few days, which needs to be monitored carefully," the vet says, "there is no need for medical action."

Hello, I hope someone can give fast advice: A friend just called me - her White Shepherd girl is just in the process of giving birth to her first puppies. The first one was born fully developed but dead, last night short after 9pm. Between midnight and noon, three healthy living puppies were born, plus 3 dead ones, who were obviously not fully developed and were covered in a black substance, especially their mouths and tongues were totally black (not light pink as it should be) and the black colour was inside the gums and flesh, couldn't be washed off like from the coat. Does anyone have an idea what that could be? My friend doesn't want to call the vet yet, as there may be some more pups to come and she doesn't want to interrupt the natural process. It is their first litter. I hope that someone may have a quick answer!?

Thanks a lot for your information and advice. I'll talk to the owner and see what I can do.

She's 3 years old and was bought from someone else only a few months ago. We don't know anything about her previous seasons, only that she hasn't had any puppies yet. She's actually not mine, but only in my temporary care, and her current owner wants to have puppies with her and my stud dog. I just wonder whether it is safe for her to be mated, or whether she could have a serious health problem. As I said, I was with her at the vet's only 2 weeks ago, and the vet found her healthy - but it was just an appointment for a booster vaccination. What surprised me was that although she had just stopped bleeding at that time, when I introduced her to my young stud, he totally ignored her - I mean he just played with her nicely and peacefully, but didn't show any sexual interest. I must say that he has never mated before, never had the chance to even try. The bitch's owner wants to try it again. What I have read out of the other forum's posts is that she was not really in heat the first time at all, but the 'real' heat has come now. My plan is that I will put the pair together again in a couple of days and see what happens. However, under no circumstances I want to make a sick dog-girl pregnant!

"Split heat" was a good catch word, thanks. I found a lot of interesting testimonials about "split heat" on this site: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=3587&pagen=1 It doesn't seemto be that uncommon.

My shepherd bitch was bleeding and obviously in heat less than one month ago. She was not mated. Today, she swoll up and started bleeding again! Can she possibly be in heat again? She was vet-checked and revaccinated only 2 weeks ago (just after she stopped bleeding) and the vet didn't find any indications of a disease. She is in perfect shape. What do you think? I'm actually thinking about mating her now, IF she really is in heat, as the timing would be much better than a couple of weeks ago.