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OK so what happens if the breeder wants to breed from the bitch and you're not ready? Or they want to use a dog that you don't want to use? Personally, I would not pay full price for any puppy with conditions that could conceivably remove ANY of the control of YOUR property from you. I've just pulled out the paperwork. - if the partnership is terminated the dog must be transferred and owned by the 2nd partner (which is me). - the dog will ordinarily be domiciled at the 2nd partners adress. - food, vet and health care, trasnportation, entry fees, insurance will all by the responsibility of partner 2.

Thanks Ellz. I personally have a co-owned bitch whom i purchased as a pup. She was a full price pup, but the only restrictions I have on her at all is that I have the breeder's permission to undertake a breeding with that bitch. So the breeder must approve of the stud. They don't have a say on placement of the pups or anything. I think that's pretty reasonable.

Ah alright. I would only offer Main Registration to those pups who would be show prospect puppies going to new owners who would want to handle them, or breeders who would benefit from the pup's lines and the pup would benefit being there also. I would want to co-own a pup that I would otherwise WANT to keep for myself but couldn't for whatever reason; who I would want to use in the future to better my lines. I do not have council restrictions here, but obviously can't take on more dogs that I can handle. How succesful are partial refund offers in regards to desexing? IE: If pup is desexed before it's first birthday, breeder would pay 50% of the desex price. Do buyers often take breeders up on these offers? I think this may be a better way to go to entice buyers to desex their pet dogs that come from my home. Also; agreements and contracts, how are they different? Are your agreements signed on paper? I'm genuinely interested.

I understand. I'd like for my limit register pups to be desexed in pethomes, but I worry about the results from desexing Australian Shepherds at eight weeks or else I'd just have it done before sending them to their new homes. I would like to be able to offer pups I would otherwise keep on a co-ownership agreement so that they would still require my permission to breed these pups. I would like to offer the co-owned pups at a lesser price then outright pups because there would be that restriction on them. But if i wanted to then use that pup in the future and I gave it to them at say 50% of the price; is it expected that I pay for the health testing as well even if they plan to breed the pup as well? Just not sure what the going thing is here. Do you do contracts Ellz?

Bumping again. Would love any information, particularily the bolded.

I think we should all just agree to disagree with Moselle and move on. The thread has gone way off topic.

I agree with Steve. The word "Pitbull" to the media is basically just a word they use to exaggerate a big scary looking dog who may or may not be dangerous. It gives APBTs horrible names and now we can never have them here in our country. What a shame.

Where abouts in SA? That's an entire state. lol

;) Obviously it's a man glowy

Edit button wasn't loading? I hope the dog isn't put to sleep, I think it was a human error more so then a dog's fault.

I wouldn't do it, but so long as you're both wormed? lol.

Hope he's found somewhere dry and safe for the night and that the weather is kind for him.

Depending on your state; it's illegal to sell puppies that young. Any ANKC registered breed who sells pups that young is; in my honest opinion, unethical. Would they pup have even been vaccinated? Microchipped?

He he he he he he!

Your dogs are broken?

I would have been treading SO lightly and I'm fairly sure my heart would have stopped! Stiff drinks in order? lol.

My first girl Millie changed when we bought baby Cooper into the family. She got really jealous and needing. Cooper would go and spend time with my little brother at his house with Mum and family and give Millie a break because i missed the way she used to be. In the end; Cooper was desexed and ended up living fulltime with my family. Millie's never changed like that since; and we've added Jack and Alice since and not had those same issues. eta: his desexing had nothing to do with Millie's discomfort/jealousy. Health reasons was why he was desexed.

Absolutely agree with this!!

Sharing is caring. I know this has been done to death and back again, but I'd really appreciate some help from the DOL Breeders. ;) Other DOLers have asked for contracts to view, and lots of people offered to PM and email them. I'd like to get an idea of what breeder's do for their contracts of sales, studs and leases etc. I have not yet had a litter but I would really like to start working on my contracts for when I have a litter and really need them. ;) - If any breeders have contracts for their dogs, would you mind allowing me to view them? - I'd like to offer full health guarantees against hereditary issues, but I'm struggling to word it all. - I'd also like to have the buyers agree and sign on their contract that should they no longer be able to keep their dog that it is sold back to me first. Should it be at original purchase price no matter the age? What does everyone do here if you don't mind sharing. - How effective are desexing rules with your pet puppies? What would you say your success rate is? Do you offer rebates? Take deposits and use that as desex prices before selling your pups already desexed? When is the best time to expect your pups to be desexed by? Sexual maturity, 1 year, 6months? - Co-ownership Contract wise, if a pup was to be sold on co-ownership to have a litter out of at a later date, but the new owners also wanted to breed the pup, would you charge them for the pup? Who generally pays for the health testing? Do puppy buyers sometimes offer to buy you OUT of co ownership with the pup? The co-ownership details are the ones I am most interested in. - What else is there to consider? Please; if you have contracts for your kennel and you don't mind sharing, please let me view them and use them to help me construct my own contracts. If you could send them in PDF files also; I would love it, but I will and do greatly appreciate any information at all and would be happy to send you copies of mine if you are curious to see what I finally went with for my kennel. My email is [email protected] . Thankyou.

The breeder has approached the owner to breed from the dog. As far as I am concerned, that negates any right the breeder may have had to get upset that it's shown in a local ag show. Breeding from a dog with a bad bite is much more serious to me than taking it around the ring at your local. +1

Jack is a giant pain in the arse when it comes to barking, no one else seems to think he is a problem barker but he drives me batty. I keep getting told to train him to bark on command and then teach him when to not bark also.. But I have no idea how to go about this. I've tried the citronella collars, and petsafe stim collars, the haltis etc/ He's a barker and it's ridiculous. I'm considering debarking.

You said so yourself that this is a spur of the moment thing, sleep on it. Best of asking your shire exactly what the requirements are too. (is this helping? )

**Threatens with bat** It's a stupid idea. PS: why do you have two threads on teh same subject?

Cute puppy aside; maybe wait untill your financially secure and ready for a new pup. Maybe Miley's breeder will have another litter and you can get one when you are ready for one. Alternatively; you could also ask the breeder about a payment plan and tell her what you've just told us. Goodluck and best wishes for whatever you decide. ETA: Your council may decide this for you also, are you allowed to have more then two dogs?

Yup - I've heard it's quite common. Perhaps strip her coat out and see how it recovers? Would clipping them make it worse? Sorry, I dont have aussies but am a groomer. Do NOT under any circumstances clip or let a groomer clip an aussie. It will stuff the coat completely! Buy a furminator, they are cheapest on ebay and give the bitch a reallllly good bath and blow dry with a high powered dog dryer and once she is completely dry attack her pants/feathering with the furminator, do not do it wet or you may cut the coat! +1. One of my breeder friends clipped her bitch and it completley ruined her coat.