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Here http://www.aqha.com.au/registry_services/generic_HERDA.asp Interesting - I don't think the breeder mentioned that at all ;)

Angeluca - you need to understand that these breeders don't know you at all, you are a phone call out of the blue, they will not have met you or heard about you, so its entirely expected that they are cautious. There are many people around who breed because they want to make money (which is completely untrue if you do it correctly) or they want a puppy for themselves, or they want the kids to experience the miracle of life, etc etc. Read though the posts above and take on board the comments - esp why people bother running around a grassy paddock in all weather conditions in front of their peers and a judge ;)

Lines are very important, as some lines will mix well and produce lovely pups to type, but other lines may not mix as well or there are hidden genetic flaws, and you could be unknowingly doubling up on these. Say your dog has hidden in the lines a genetic predisposition that could produced a kinked tail, your dog is fine, but hidden away there is this possibility in a litter he sires. However, he is an outstanding dog in every other respect, a really fabulous example and you really want to use him - he could contribute much to the future of your breed. If you put him to a girl where there is no evidence in the lines of anything being produced with a kink, your chances of that problem coming out in the litter are greatly reduced. However, if you put him to a bitch where there was kinking in the lines, your chance of this problem is greatly increased. Furthermore, you would need to remember that anything from the litter produced could have the potential to pass this trait on themselves, so you would need to take that into account if you are breeding anything else down the track. That is a very very simple example of why you need to understand lines, and generations behind your lines.

Angeluca - the advice you have been given by Reverend Jo is good. You need to establish yourself in the breed, and show that you have the interests of the breed at heart. Breeding should only be done IMO to improve the breed overall - and to do that, you need knowledge of your breed and the lines behind your dogs. Its not just about health testing, although that very very important - but what you want to contribute to the future of your chosen breed. The reason you were asked about showing is that is a forum whereby your dog/btich can be assessed by a Judge - and by others in your breed - and its attributes recognised in terms of how it meedt the breed standard (although this is not a perfect process, but that is the theory!LOL) Breeding is expensive, risky, emotionally draining and not for the faint hearted ;) . There are a mutltude of threads on breeding here on DOL, but the best thing is to find a breeder to mentor you, start showing, or at least attend shows where your breed is being presented, and learn everything you possibly can about your breed. Your dog may or may not be a fine example fo the breed, it may or may not be able to contribute to the breed's future - but there is a lot to learn before even thinking of going down that track. Just getting yourself registered with CCCQ is a minor step - you need to take on an apprenticeship, of sorts, and that will take time, perserverence and committment if you want to do it right.

What I found most interesting in this story, aside from the actual debate around cloning (noting that, given the high failure rate, risks involved and considerable expense, I don't think the puppy farmers will be interested) was the reaction from the registry body for these horses. The breeder in the report said that while the cloned horse was within all the current rules, an emergency meeting happened while the horse was literally in transport (mid air so to speak!) and that as a result it isn't registered - although yes, its progeny will. So the question is, has the ANKC looked into the likelihood of this? Say you have a multi-BIS champ, a wonderful example of the breed,. How would the ANKC react if the owner was to clone this animal, and want to show it and its progeny? Is this ethical? Is it fair? Is it in the best interests of the breed, considering that if that animal was truely a remarkable one, would you not want to see the line continued? A complex issue that I suspect we shall be faced with the in pedigree dog world sooner than we think.

I found this entire story to be fascinating. I don't have an opinion on it yet one way or another - but what I found most interesting is the reaction from the authorities on it. Just to summise, an Australian breeder of quarter horses has imported a cloned stallion of America's former top winning stallion. It will be interesting to see how it is dealt with by the quarter hosre community - and it doesn't take a great leap of the imagination to see how it could potentially be transcribed to dogs. Does the ANKC have any rules on accepting cloned animals? If not, would be an interesting debate. Chip off the old Block Source:LandlinePublished:Sunday, June 5, 2011 12:51 AESTExpires:Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:51 AEST Australia's quarter horse fraternity is about to take a giant leap into the unknown with some controversial new breeding technology. Tamworth breeder Richard Bull has imported a stallion that's one of five clones of America's top sporting quarter horse stallion. The legendary Smart Little Lena died last year, however, the super stallion's genes will live on in Australia through his cloned son, appropriately named Salute. link to the video report is http://www.abc.net.a.../05/3235925.htm transcript is at http://www.abc.net.a...10/s3235925.htm

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I found this entire story to be fascinating. I don't have an opinion on it yet one way or another - but what I found most interesting is the reaction from the authorities on it. Just to summise, an Australian breeder of quarter horses has imported a cloned stallion of America's former top winning stallion. It will be interesting to see how it is dealt with by the quarter hosre community - and it doesn't take a great leap of the imagination to see how it could potentially be transcribed to dogs. Does the ANKC have any rules on accepting cloned animals? If not, would be an interesting debate. Chip off the old Block Source:LandlinePublished:Sunday, June 5, 2011 12:51 AESTExpires:Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:51 AEST Australia's quarter horse fraternity is about to take a giant leap into the unknown with some controversial new breeding technology. Tamworth breeder Richard Bull has imported a stallion that's one of five clones of America's top sporting quarter horse stallion. The legendary Smart Little Lena died last year, however, the super stallion's genes will live on in Australia through his cloned son, appropriately named Salute. link to the video report is http://www.abc.net.a.../05/3235925.htm transcript is at http://www.abc.net.a...10/s3235925.htm

I know that at shows things can and do happen, but the bulldog owner is lucky that the incident wasn't spotted and reported formally to the VCA by an official. I was in a ring once, and a dog fight broke out in a gazebo. The judge called over the steward and said that while it wasn't in the ring, the judge wanted it officially reported and acted on.

wow - do we in Group 5 smell or something?!

Hi Molly - a townhouse is fine with a yard, as long as you are happy to do walks - Lappies are very smart too, so they need mental stimulation. Luckily they respond very well to training, so things like obedience are a very good activity to start with - and then down the track you may even look at dogs sports if you both enjoy it! My question is how old is your Maltese? I ask because why Lappies usually get on well with other breeds (and cats are fine generally if they are bought up with them) Lappie puppies tend to be a little full on and if you have an elderly dog it may be bit much. However, if you think that your Maltese will adjust to a new canine family member, then I would certainly recommend that you contact some breeders to arrange a meeting in person ;)

WA - lappies would spend all day chasing rabbits if they were allowed! LOL

pic of ruby taken on mother's day - you can see how much she has changed (well, i can LOL) but I haven't measured her recently ;)

yes, I'm afraid the concept of sisterly love was lost on these two....LOL Nevermind, when they're a bit older they may have better doggy manners towards each other (but then again, they are sisters!)

If I may I might sneak in a couple of extra pics ;) These are of Halo with her sister Ruby at the Mt Gambier shows end of April/early May. They were right little buggers and spent most of their time wanting to play puppy fight club ;)

yes, I saw your cutie there too!! What a sweet baby! ;)

Bulla is just behind the Melbourne airport - infact, you can see the pilots waving at you as the aircraft goes over the show rings! ;)

A Rupert bear ;)

I think you would need to see the pedigree to work it out. More the point, I don't think this is the forum for discussion on a particular breeder's breeding strategy, not without they being able to comment, at least.

Your puppy is a result of line breeding, and as long as your breeder is experienced and knows what is behind their lines, I wouldn't worry.

and no doubt for a bit extra you'll get the sure fire 'show' puppy too...... :rolleyes:

Add mine to that too ;)

If you have no plans for breeding or showing any of those puppies, they should be on limited. Makes no difference to the puppy buyers. Early desexing is another issue (and thread).

*cough* Aren't you already? ;) Darn - and here I am thinking I was doing such a good job at pretending to be 'normal' LOL Better watch out WA - you could end up the same!! LOL I blame my dogs for my present lappie obsession - they are rather addictive. For some reason, I now have 4! LOL ;)

we have Lappies (ofcourse!) and they will always be our breed. ;) Once you've been owned by one, the biggest problem is not to get another! LOL However, I do want to add to Swedish Lappies to our Finnish, and (eventually) Lapponian Herders. These are FCI recognised, just not here yet. The dream is to one day have ALL the Lapp breeds ;) - then I'll probably be known as the crazy Lappie woman LOL