lappiemum

Re getting a behaviourist - A good behaviourist looks at the owner and the dog's environment as much as the dog Not to sound negative, but there are probably a lot of things you are doing which inadvertently are causing problems for your dog. However, to be direct, I think the issue here is more about how you are dealing with things rather than your dog per se. You may rehome your BC, but unless you get help for yourself, your nervousness is not going to get better - infact it may degenerate further. I would be looking for assistance for you as much as your dog. When you are confident and feel well mentally you will be able to deal with your dog's behaviour in a positive manner.

JPS isn't desexing, it's a surgical, preventative, HD treatment. The vet was suggesting having the dog desexed at the same time the JPS is done (which needs to be at around 4 months old). Jumblyjunior early desexing may make bad joints worse (without hormones, the long bones take a little longer to stop growing than they otherwise would have) so I would not be doing that if you keep this pup. I have nothing against early desexing in many cases (I do it for my pet BC pups) but it's not always the right thing to do. Ah, that makes sense now - sorry, had trouble reading that bit and got myself slightly confused! (rather easy!). I know that many vets do seem to jump at the opportunity for desexing, but to be honest if you are keeping this puppy I would hold off on that - let her develop normally and that will help with her bone growth and structure.

Yes she did not have PRA results for the parents before breeding them - and it was not their first litter - this was a concern that is why we had the proviso in writing of giving the puppy back if both parents were carriers or worse. We now have certificates that both parents are clear. Apparently we were the only people out of the other 8 getting a puppy that wanted this, which worried us back thne for the new owners and about the breeder but felt if it was being done we would know. So we were waiting on tenterhooks on that one which she delayed getting to us and then we get this yucky surprise hip certificate that we have been misled on. I agree with both replies before - we should give her back because we would not have taken her in the first place but also if mum was 0/0 we could still have a puppy with problems - but we have always been aware it is not purely genetic a better score just improves the odds for the puppy how the puppy is nurtured has a massive effect. Your opinions really help my hubby and I are trying to the right thing by our family and this puppy - the sad thing is I know if she has a problem we will be the best family to look after her but at what cost emotionally and financially. Thanks for listening and posting so far guys ...she is so lovely..... - the vet we are seeing on sat is an orthopaedist who offered pen hip xrays at her desexing in 3 weeks - but obviously we will not proceed with any desexing if she is going back. PRA won't be an issue then so thats ok. However, can i ask why you are looking to desex at 17/18 weeks? Because that's what the vet said so they could look at her hips and see whether we want to consider the ongoing controversial JPS procedure (which we have not decided on - mainly because of this forum) but our vet who looked after our old lab knows what we went through and says this may be an option to reduce the risk and would discuss it when she has been xrayed and examined - this was way before any of this came to light. I hadn't heard that desexing would reduce the risk of HD, but I'm sure others more knowledgable in Labs would have some idea. In our breed most breeders I know would usually recommend desexing much later (around 12 months) as hormonal maturity helps with the development of bone and muscle structure - important esp if you are going to have an animal with a very active lifestyle. Maybe its different with Labs though?

Just posted on Facebook officially now by DogsVic: Schedules are now in the public area under About Us > News. The current and previous month's schedules will be available here. To access the full gazette, members will still need to log in. good on DogsVic for listening to both members and interstate showies, and for changing their policy!

Yes she did not have PRA results for the parents before breeding them - and it was not their first litter - this was a concern that is why we had the proviso in writing of giving the puppy back if both parents were carriers or worse. We now have certificates that both parents are clear. Apparently we were the only people out of the other 8 getting a puppy that wanted this, which worried us back thne for the new owners and about the breeder but felt if it was being done we would know. So we were waiting on tenterhooks on that one which she delayed getting to us and then we get this yucky surprise hip certificate that we have been misled on. I agree with both replies before - we should give her back because we would not have taken her in the first place but also if mum was 0/0 we could still have a puppy with problems - but we have always been aware it is not purely genetic a better score just improves the odds for the puppy how the puppy is nurtured has a massive effect. Your opinions really help my hubby and I are trying to the right thing by our family and this puppy - the sad thing is I know if she has a problem we will be the best family to look after her but at what cost emotionally and financially. Thanks for listening and posting so far guys ...she is so lovely..... - the vet we are seeing on sat is an orthopaedist who offered pen hip xrays at her desexing in 3 weeks - but obviously we will not proceed with any desexing if she is going back. PRA won't be an issue then so thats ok. However, can i ask why you are looking to desex at 17/18 weeks?

just to clarify - did you say that your breeder produced a litter before knowing if the results of the PRA tests of the parents? I know that there is some concern about the hips, but to be honest scoring is NOT an exact science, an a higher score does not mean that the animal will develop HD or ED. However, the PRA is more of a concern, if I understand what you are saying correctly. Firstly, and most importantly, do you know what the parent's results are? If one or both are genetically tested and cleared of PRA (the type they test for in Labs I think is the same as in my breed, known as prcd-PRA - its version that usually takes a few years to appear), or one is a carrier and another is clear, you are ok in that department. However, if both parents are carriers (or - hopefully not! - one is affected) its a different matter. Just so you know, if you breed a PRA carrier to another carrier, you will statistically run the risk of having puppies that are affected with the condition in that litter. If your breeder is in Vic, they may also be in violation under the code of inheritable diseases - PRA is a recognised disease under that code - it says the following in terms of carrier to carrier breeding: 1. Breeding is not recommended. Must only occur as part of an approved breeding program.# 2. All progeny must be tested for the heritable defect. 3. A diseased (Affected) animal must not be disposed of to another person without advice of the animal’s heritable defect status 4. Affected progeny (or any juvenile off spring confirmed as ‘Affected’ on test) should be de-sexed unless they are to be used in an approved breeding program, must not be permitted by their owner to suffer from their condition if it develops and should be under the supervision, advice and monitoring of a veterinary practitioner. Note that this is far carrier to carrier matings, and for Vic breeders only. ETA - I just re-read your OP and saw that your breeder is in SA - I can't speak for the legislation over there re heritable diseases, but others in here may know more about it. However, its important that you know what the PRA status of the parents of your puppy are.

Halo got into Adelaide just before 4pm with no adverse effects. She left Melbourne at about 2:30 from memory, and it was warmer - about 28C I think. She was drooling, but even now she still drools in the car because she gets car sick. Cost us about $80 to fly from Melbourne to Adelaide, was shocked at how cheap it was. With my last litter we flew little Halo to Adelaide for whiskedaway and Thor to Lobostar in Perth using Wayrod - he was very good and takes a lot of care with the transport organisation - can certainly recommend him. I'd fly from 9 - 12 weeks - any later than that and you may hit a fear period. I'd probably do 10 weeks next time (although the litter wasn't far off it). Oh, the flight from Melb to Adel was just the flight, we had a crate on loan from another DOL friend here (who also used Wayrod). However, we purchased a new crate for the flight to WA. Regardless of who you go through, I would recommend that you purchase a new crate for the puppy - I don't know how stringent some of the companies are in disinfecting their rental crates, and the last thing you want is for a healthy puppy to leave you but arrive at its destination with parvo or something else nasty.

LOL Some of these are kind of funny, but I don't recommend that you read them before you go in for your first time if you are the type of person to get a bit nervous!!

Hey StarsHollow- What show are you wanting to enter? There is a good chance that there will be a few DOL people there which may be of help. Have you spoken with others in your breed who show and you are friendly with? You can also ask your breeder for some info and support too (athough we are always happy to help out here on DOL). I'm in Group 5 and I know others on DOL who are helpful and in other Groups, so depending on your breed we may be able to put you in touch with people who can give you some encouragement

Hmm - not a huge fan of the NSW ALP, but I wonder what is behind this post?

looks like fun!

Patience. That's the first thing. Second thing is never drag a puppy on a lead - it won't make them come with you, just resist more. You now have a slight problem in that your puppy associates a) the lead with negative experiences and b) going outside on a lead with negative experiences. Given that she is 16weeks, its probably combined with a fear period as well. What I would do is, while giving her lots of praise and treats, put her collar and lead on her at home. Don't go out, just put on the lead and collar, and let her walk around for periods of 5mins, then 10, then 15min etc with it on until she is comfortable with it. Don't lead her around the house at first, just let her wear it. When she gets comfortable, gently take the lead in your hand and with treats, encourage her to walk with you, or towards you (if you hold the lead and stand in front of her). NEVER pull - a gentle 'tap' with the lead and lots of encouragement - and even if she takes one step forward, lots of praise and a reward. You will need to be calm and positive, and if you feel yourself getting frustrated, leave it for a bit. As for walks, when she is ok with the collar and lead on in the house, see if you can get her to go out the front door (quite literally, even just past the first steps). Again, encouragement with gentle 'tapping' with the lead - don't pull - and positive encouragement. Once she is ok with that, get to the gate or the driveway, and then a bit further later on - small steps, and be consistent. Reward positive steps and don't scold - that will not help. One other thing to look at is if you know of another dog that really enjoys walks - if you can walk your puppy with the other dog later on, they tend to pick up on the excitement and enjoyment of the other dog, but make sure it isn't too over the top or you may have fun trying to control the walk! (have someone walk the dogs with you - one dog per person)

Looks like you all had a great day!

What a gorgeous face! My little man at his first show yesterday was 1st baby puppy dog out of a class of 5. No intersex run offs as it was the Vic State breed exhibition. Well done Flaves!

she is such her mother's daughter!

LOL was about to go looking for that pic Evolving!

A bit further for you, but I can't recommend Karen Hedberg highly enough. She is very, very good at taking the xrays. North Richmond vet

For those who followed this litter thread - I thought I would mention that last Sunday, Ruby (our pink girl!) won best baby puppy in group at the Yarra Glen afternoon show at KCC Park. From this: To this: Her sister Halo (purple girl) is also making her debut in the SA rings!

LOL I'm the one in the pink :D

I'm not sure if this is her first litter, but don't stress too much if she is slow to 'bond' with the babies - some girls wake up from the caesar and wonder what the hell has gone on while they were out! LOL If so, give her 24hrs to settle and just watch her And congrats!!

No sure if we will be there guys - we have a social thing on Sat and may be nursing some well earned hang overs on Sunday! LOL

Congrats to all the winners today - and I love the pic of your daughter SwaY - we thought it was her!! A small boast for us, but I thought I would since Lappies are still getting out there! My 14 week baby Taigakoira Aamutahti (Ruby) capped off her second weekend of showing with a Baby Puppy in Group. She is such as little pocket rocket and really has taken to the ring - very happy mum tonight!

All I know that my 4 lappies all love attention, and cuddles on the couch. I'm sitting here typing and 3 of the 4 are within a meter or so of me, snoozing. Usually there is a puppy under my chair, but I think she is sleeping in my bedroom at the moment!

A Lappie would tick his list And they LOVE cuddles and attention (well my lot do!!) LOL

aww - how could you not want to cuddle that??