LizT

Good luck...Sounds like you'll easily get a third by Friday, I'd try Thursday afternoon. Then it looks like it will be up to her from here on :D

When you say "Show Border Collie" are you referring to adopting an adult ex Show Dog or a puppy from Show lines on MR to Show themselves? The first option would be excellent for a first time dog owning family as the dog would be well trained and socialised. The second option of a puppy would be fine too provided the family is committed to training the dog.

Happiness is a full tummy! :D

They did sadly.

I had the same problem but the vet missed it and so did my vet so she was sold and thought to have been healthy. Have you contacted the breeder's vet to ask if they found it on his 6 week visit? I would. After the ultrasound you could find it won't affect him at all; some dogs have heart murmurs and live long healthy lives unaffected by it or he could just need medication. I have another dog and am currently fostering a dog (who hopefully will stay :)) and it has taken no attention off of them at all. The only care Coco needed was strict bed rest for 2 weeks and then slowly increase her exercising from there plus give her medication morning and night. We were a bit like you went and picked the pups up, and we were told that the breeders vet thought he might have had a murmur but couldnt be sure, that he would grow out of it and that they thought they could hear it only on the right side of his chest. It is now audible on the left but far more pronounced on the right. I have spoken to the breeder since and at the moment has only offered to take him back. That breeder should not have sold you that pup knowing it had a heart murmur I think that is cruel not only on the dog but to you! Now you could be faced with some tough decisions and had they not sold you the pup you wouldn't have to go through it! Just a thought I don't want to cause an uproar. Would anyone on her know; as the breeder sold the dog knowing it had a heart murmur do you think they should pay for the ultra sound or no as they are willing to take the dog back? I hope all goes well with the ultra sound and no decisions need to be made Let us know how he goes :) When I purchased my first Cavalier she had passed her 6 week health test with no murmur detected. When we bought her at 9 weeks we took her to our vets for a once over and he detected a Grade 1 heart murmur, which he told us could be an "innocent murmur" in which case would clear up by around 12 weeks. We told the breeder and said we would let her know what the outcome was. Fortunately it was an "innocent Murmur" which was gone by 12 weeks and at 4 years of age she is still heart clear. I'm not sure what grade of murmur was first detected in the puppy that now has a 3/4 murmur but it is possible they believed it to be an "innocent murmur' and that it was not a Grade 3/4 when the puppy was sold. Either way I personally, as a breeder would have kept the puppy in my care until 12 weeks and not have sold it on, knowing it could be a potential murmur that may deteriorate. But then I breed a dog that is know for heart problems so I would have all the alarm bells going off. I don't know what breed your puppy is (?) so if it is a breed not know for heart mumurs the breeder may not have been as alert to the potential worsening of it's condition. If the breeder sold the puppy and fully disclosed the fact that it had a heart murmur what arrangement did the buyer and the breeder have? Was it a lower grade murmur when first sold? Was it expected not to worsen? Was the price of the sick puppy reduced? Just curious how this could (because it shouldn't have really) come about?

I"m curious as to what this means....signs of the parvo vaccine...can you elaborate on the symptoms with this puppy? So are the pups okay?

At day 8 would have thought more likely to be the beginning of the cycle - her vagina was still firm and still bright red blood the day she arrived - I think I may get her another progesterone test at least today and see where we are at. What was the result of her previous Prog test, Minigirl? No amount of Prog testing will result in a mating if they are not interested, though. An A.I. would be the only option in a reluctant but technically viable union. If the owner has given you the okay, speak to your vet.

And cuddles with my friend.

And a play in the garden.

I had a bath today. (7 weeks)

Well It's great she is recovering so well. :)

And cuddles with my friend.

And a play in the garden.

I had a bath today. :)

I use "drop" for the dog to put itself in a "drop position" and "down" if a young dog (or excitd older dog) jumps up on a person! My OH used to say "drop" when he wanted the ball back, but I set him right with "give" as it ws my dog, and my training, so my commands. :)

I know many Kelpie breeders, particularly those with solid red or chocolates put off breeding litters around the movie release time. They wanted to avoid people doing impulse buying a breed that is amazing, but not for everyone. The real test will be in 5mths time to see how many 'red dogs' have been dumped...... I know. It is so sad! On the other forum they were saying that when Frasier was very popular many people went and bought Jack Russels because they wanted an 'Eddie' of their own. Unfortunately many ended up in rescues and pounds. Too many stupid people want dogs. Did you know that "Eddie" was a rescue dog that had been rehomed and rehomed because he was "destructive and difficult"!! :)

Yes, that's right up there with my father's (he's 81) "Have you got rid of the puppies yet?"....Translation "Do you have suitable buyers available for them?" :rolleyes:

Yes, and the really smart mums who take their toddlers out of the car seat, stand them beside the car and then pfaff around getting the stroller set up. I surprised one mum one day when her kid, very friendly toddled up to me and I picked him up and stood their waiting, she turned around to get her kid, looked startled and I said, "Are you looking for this?" and smiled at her. "Oh, he's always going off, she says!! I weep for this world some days!

Wouldn't be much use on a GSD, but I can see how it would do wonders with a lab.

All extremely high maintenence coats! Will require lots of grooming or regular trips to a groomer to be clipped and groomed.

Only twice a year. Six months in Spring and six months in Autumn. :laugh: I believe they require more than rural stock fencing though.

Do you have a link? I am reading everything I can get my hands on at the moment. Cheers This is just one of heaps I've been reading about. What causes pyometra? Pyometra is established as a result of hormonal changes. Following oestrus ("heat"), progesterone levels remain elevated for 8-10 weeks and thicken the lining of the uterus in preparation for pregnancy. If pregnancy does not occur for several oestrus cycles, the lining continues to increase in thickness until cysts form within it. The thickened, cystic lining secretes fluids that create an ideal environment in which bacteria can grow. Additionally, high progesterone levels inhibit the ability of the muscles in the wall of the uterus to contract. The risk of pyometra is also increased by the use of progesterone-based drugs. In addition, oestrogen will increase the effects of progesterone on the uterus. Drugs containing both hormones are used to treat certain conditions of the reproductive system. Here is the link. http://www.ingleburnvet.com.au/pyometra.htm

Depends on what your normal routine is of course. My OH feeds our 7 week old puppy at 5.00 am before work and when I get home at 7.30 am she's ready to play and there's a pen to be cleaned up! :laugh:

I have read that Progesterone treatment can increase the incidence of Pyometra occurring by up to 25%. Something to be aware of.

So you do mention that you are a Registered breeder then, enquiring on someones behalf? Some people are suspicious of third parties. Or you may just have been really unlucky.