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In fairness Mumoftwo, you made the mistake twice. Which confused me too. Firstly when you made your first post you called her a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel, when you were picked up on this you claim a typo, fair enough. But later in a subsequent post you left out Cavalier entirely and referred to the dog as a King Charles Spaniel. This is the post Gretel has quoted, not your original post. Cav (and probably Charlie) people are a bit touchy about this. And every credible breeder is protective of their breed.

Yes, and sometime when one has had advise and training help in the past they apply what has been learnt, but sadly, sometimes it is an individual problem and a "one size fits all" solution isn't going to work. And sometimes people 'ask' for advice but it is really just confirmation of what they already subconciously know they should do. Also, some people ask for advice and then get annoyed when it isn't the advice they wanted. Isn't the saying "truth hurts". It can be hard to accept at times that we have made bad choices.

Okay here's my slant on it. I think everyone should ask permission of the owner before patting any dog. Yesterday I took 9 week old Emmalee to the first day of school and all the littler kids asked me "May I pat your dog" it was awesome. But when my daughters classmates in Grade 6 came up and reached out an arm I immediately block with my arm and asked "What do you say?" They grinned, and then asked "May I please pat the dog"? I told them, c'mon you were taught this in kinder and you have to set a good example for the younger kids. It's like the sun smart policy, they are made to wear sunhats in term one and four as school policy. But when they go to Secondary School where there is no policy, there's no hats either!!! However I do ernestly believe that every child should be able to go up to any dog in the street and expect not to be bitten were it a case of a loose dog or such. Many a local pooch has found his way out of his yard and into the schoolyard (those lunches smell good) and I would expect that every child there should be safe from a dog bite. If you have a dog that is even 'likely' to bite anyone, I hope your fence and gate maintence is diligent.

Cavalier King Charles Spaniels are a pretty laid back breed, you will find they instictively know "how to chill" but will fire up if called to "play". :) I do know a dog trainer that kept her German Shepherd Puppy in a trolley and moved it from room to room when it was little. :laugh: Our boy was always very well behaved in the house as a puppy, we didn't even need pet barriers, he was told that he was to stay in the family room and would not step up the step there. He'd sit there with his face on the step and watch what was going on. The pet barrier only was introduced when the third Cavalier arrived. I'd crate them when I was preparing meals.

Yes, and sometime when one has had advise and training help in the past they apply what has been learnt, but sadly, sometimes it is an individual problem and a "one size fits all" solution isn't going to work. And sometimes people 'ask' for advice but it is really just confirmation of what they already subconciously know they should do.

"The point of the expert" is to assess the dogs - their behaviours, their relationship between one another and their relationship to the owner, to explain to and show and guide the owner as to how to make the best of the situation based on what s/he has seen and heard, as best as best can be, with safety and humanity being paramount. What the expert will do is not something pre-determined and set in concrete - certainly not without meeting the owner and the dogs first. Exactly, many a fool has purchased a dog for "Property Protection", the old Junk Yard dog syndrome, wherethe dog is likely to attack anyone stupid enough to enter the property. The owner stupidly thinking that it will be included in the 'goods itinery' and surely siad dog would not 'bite the hand that feeds it' only to find when push comes to shove and the dog is roused that he to becomes a target.

Nah I don't want to get rid of Ziggy, besides the bite, he is my ideal type of dog. If I get rid of one, it will have to be the Labrador, as I said above, due to being easier to find a home for. I am thinking of doing further upgrades to the property so there is even more protection from them getting at each other if a gate is left open etc (Could have two sets of gates etc). I have sent a few emails to some animal behavioral experts and said I am willing to pay the fee etc, I am just waiting for a response which should come within a few days. I am not just after advice, hehe sort of wanted a slight bit of sympathy :) My back is still healing weeks later, but he just got flesh, no organs or anything :) Oh also very interested in other person dog bite stories. I want to learn as much as I can about such behavior. The two dogs will not get along so you have to separate them. NO dog behaviorist is going to make two males get along particularly when one is of a breed that can be intolerant to the same sex. Alrighty so from experience, probably more lengthy than I would prefer on such matters, your solution is South Korea for Dog A and North Korea for Dog B. So never again shall the two meet. As for why you want a dog for protection, that's your business :) . Clearly Mark is of high repute and I'm all for bringing in the experts, actually I wonder why this wasn't done immediately following the incident weeks ago. I will admit I am also a little confused by your contradiction. I guess the point of the expert is NOT to make the boys get along so much as help make them good K9 citizens on their own. The Lab could certainly have done with professional help regarding his food protection issues ages ago.

ALthough the bitch is not in season yet, she could come in soon too. Though your original inquiry was how long between Cavalier seasons as you wondered when she might come in. Oh, and I'm not sure about the breed you have but in my experience Cavaliers bleed more than any other entire female I have owned, to the point of needing sanitary pants for up to two weeks. You are doing the right thing by making sure her immunisations are up to date before breeding her.

Oh, I fully agree, but it is not the coping when you are away, that causes them angst, they do that fine. It is the being outside when the family is home that they object to. So if the objective is simply to teach your dog/puppy to spend time outside while you are away from the 'den", then "easy peasy". :) I know you're not having a go Pockets. :) And we are on the same page. At the previous home I lived in my Border Collie X and German Shepherd were mostly outside dogs but came in "at times", not often. However with a ranch style house with windows to the floor I could be in any room and the Border X would be outside the window! I'd be making kids beds and she lay outside each room, just following me around the house. I think she was pleased when I finally settled in one room. :laugh: All I'm saying with the Cavs is they will learn to stay outside as required, they are smart dogs to teach, but their little smile won't be back on their cute faces until they are back close to you. :D Even my mums rescue Cav who spent a good number of years chained up in a chicken run with 20 other dogs now knocks at the back door and wants to be let in. He is content to sit on his bed on the back verandah, most times and waits for mum to come out and sit there or potter around in the garden, but does now prefer to be on the couch with my elderly mum, shes 77 and he's nine March 1st.

DO be careful any dog in the kitchen is just as dangerous as a toddler. Ours are kept behind pet gates and well out from underfoot. You don't want them anywhere near you when you a lifting a pot of boiling pasta to be poured into a sieve at the sink for example.

They'll scare the bejezes out of the feral donkeys, horses, goats, camels, waterbuffalo. Don't we have enough introduced herbivores eating/not eating the grasses already, causing damage etc..

Don't they run amuk in villages in Indonesia? I can see the car sticker now "Grassland Elephantmen care for the low country". ;)

I think it would be fair to summise the "reason" is that the poor animal became distressed due to the angry and violent outburst of the OP directly after and while still andrenaline pumped following it's confrontation with the other entire male dog (Labrador).

I know it's not about dogs but I had to share. It's not April 1st already is it? http://abcasiapacificnews.com/stories/201202/3421736.htm

Reputable Dojos usually weed out those with no self control.

Oh dear, did the media get it wrong again! :rolleyes: No wonder people get confused about "pet laws".

Yes, you didn't need a Fortune Teller to see this was in the cards. cybergenesis Forum Member Posts: 47 Joined: 04-January 11 State:SA Posted 30 August 2011 - 02:41 PM I wouldn't have a problem registering my dog, but the problem is I don't want my dog desexed. I prefer having my dog natural. I like the temperament of dogs that are not desexed, they are more energetic, playful and alert. My dog is not around any female dogs. It is ENTIRELY secured in my backyard with 3 metre high fences, and two sets of locked gates between the backyard and the road. WHY THE HELL SHOULD I HAVE TO HAVE MY DOGS NUTS CUT OFF? Fair enough if you don't want your dogs desexed, but guess what...they've both had the snip now and it probably won't make one iota of difference.

This is why redangel ,though you may not understand, bein a "poodle" owner and all. ;) cybergenesis Forum Member Posts: 47 Joined: 04-January 11 State:SA Posted 30 August 2011 - 04:16 PM poodlefan, on 30 August 2011 - 03:19 PM, said: megan_, on 30 August 2011 - 03:13 PM, said: PF - this is the same person who says they want to own a human aggressive dog. For protecting his/her yard. Got a few applauses too? No doubt. There is a place in this world IMO for dogs prepared to do harm to humans who simply trespass. IMO Australia is not one of those places and a dog with the temperament of the Fila needs to be carefully placed in the right homes anywhere. A correctly temperamented Fila will do more than just guard.. so when little Timmy comes uninvited over the fence looking for his tennis ball, he won't be leaving in one piece. I'd say he wont' be leaving anyway but in a coffin. Anyone who could casually say that they wish to own such a dog in an urban setting in this country needs their head read. Place that argument in a place like Johannesburg and its a whole new ball game. What ever "poodle fan". I live in one of the roughest neighborhoods in Australia, we had over 5 murders in this suburb last year and many, many other bashings, sexual assaults and attacks. Just cause you live in posh poodle ville doesn't give you a right to judge. I've only been here a year and I have already had my place broken into and my possession stolen, including my former dog (which was a labradore). You can really go stuff your opinions. Little Timmy isn't going to be coming over my 3 metre high fence, I don't have any kids as neighbors and all the neighbors are long term. Its none of your bloody business why I want a specific dog or not, and I have every right to have a guard dog that is capable of taking down an intruder for my protection (well I should have that right, if Australia wasn't such a gutless cotton wool nanny state). I have a right to protect myself whatever you may think. You may like dogs that are "like little poodles" but I like real dogs with assertive temperaments that are capable of protecting me. BTW You would make a great leader for this nanny state, seeing as you like to judge other peoples business. I am a responsible owner, entirely capable of managing my dog and restricting my dog to my property. You are a clown who likes to think people are too irresponsible to handle things and everything should be banned. Oh and "poodlefan", there are many non-banned breeds which are quite capable of mauling to death little Timmy, I have met great danes and other dogs that would maul little Timmy if he jumped the back fence, its not the breed, its how the dog is trained and socialized, its hypocritical and deluded reasoning that thinks some breeds are "bad". There is no such thing as an evil or bad breed of dog. Screw the government banning everything (especially dogs), because of the extremely small minority of dog attacks by irresponsible dog owners (you know instead of actually holding those owners heavily responsible). Ban cars, ban back yard pools, ban swimming, ban sports, lets all wrap the whole of society in cotton wool and take away all of our liberties, otherwise poodlefan might have nightmares about the bad things that could happen. OH WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN! This post has been edited by cybergenesis: 30 August 2011 - 04:37 PM

Oh, I fully agree, but it is not the coping when you are away, that causes them angst, they do that fine. It is the being outside when the family is home that they object to. So if the objective is simply to teach your dog/puppy to spend time outside while you are away from the 'den", then "easy peasy". :)

I was scraping bot eggs off my horses leg one day and then bang, I must have worked my way in front of him without realising it and he lifted his leg and POW, head and knee collision. I remember waking up on the ground, him still standing there quietly nuzzling my hair, and me with a huge lump on my forehead and a whopper of a headache. My own stupid fault.

Oh a Cavalier will learn, and cope well enough and do it 'because', it just won't thank you for it. :D

Indeed, who hasn't coped a fair wack in the face from some clutzy dufus dog. It certainly does illustrate the need for people to take care around strange dogs and to give them some space and time while enquiring about the dog and getting permission to touch the animals. Poor girl was probably so happy and just wanted to say "Hello".

A Cavalier is only going to be content to stay outside for as long as it wants to stay outside. It will ask to come back in when it feels it needs to be back with the family. I don't have a doogy door and mine, knock at the pet barriers, and get told off and eventually stop. They can't have access to everywhere even if they think they are entitled. Much the same with out doors, when they've had enough they ask to come back in. Of course putting them in the backyard (so long as it 's safe and secure) while you are out shopping, visiting or at work is a different story but once you're home they will want to be with you. And that goes double for two. Don't think for one moment a second Cavalier would change that. They can be taught but they don't have to like it. :laugh:

I believe she's a wonderful example of the breed and would like to produce some excellent quality puppies just like her !! Is she currently heart and eye clear? Yes she is, I made sure of that before I purchased her Has she been Shown at all? No she hasnt I was going to suggest that that is one way of confirming if she is indeed "a good example" of the breed. Nothing like getting the feedback of several Judges and comparing how she stacks up against others of her kind. I assume she is on MR if you are considering breeding her, so you could always give her a run around the ring. Alternatively, seek out some Cavalier "Mentors" in your area and, vet check not withstanding (pattelers for eg.), see what they think of her as a breeding prospect. And also, which 'type' of dog would best compliment her. :)

Posted 30 August 2011 - 02:55 PM Cosmolo, on 30 August 2011 - 02:53 PM, said: How can you plan on owning one when its illegal to breed or import them? Dude pitbull types breeds are widely available and certain other restricted breeds are also available (especially Dogo Argentino) if you know where to go... The dog I would really like though is Fila Brasileiro This post has been edited by cybergenesis: 30 August 2011 - 02:57 PM Probably a good thing you went and got a docile dog like a Neo. I imagine you would not have had the opportunity to talk about your serious dog bite. You would have made front page news though.