LizT

Yes we agree with tattooing, but it's a weird place to put a tattoo. Can you imagine having to lift up or flip over a Dane to see if it's tattooed, or a long coated dog. I think Crisovar was seeing it as a way of determining if the dog is "Zeutered" and not an entire as opposed to castrated. What a dissapointment for those horrid dog theives who are intending to breed them!

Good point.

Wasn't there some form of chemical neutering already? Seems to ring a bell?

and probably for blokes who want their dogs to keep their balls. So no shrinkage??

I was once told that the various eye shapes of the different breeds makes them see the television in different ways. It's certainly interesting to know that dogs are not colour blind but do see some colours better than others and some not well at all. Apparently they see dark blue very well. I find my Cavaliers love watching movement on TV, and also react to dogs and cats on TV, but probalby more to the sound than visual.

yes Yes. And I think this is where the lack of respect for todays society elders, teachers, parents etc. comes about. I'm certainly not saying it is anyone elses responsibility to raise someone elses child, but everyone a child comes into contact with from the sales assistant who serves their mother when mum is buying them school shoes to the teacher who stands in front of them each day, has an impact that will fashion their thinking and shape who they are, regardless of whether that person likes kids or not.

:laugh: Clever boy.

Little Emmalee had her first show today and happily pitty patted around the ring indoors. Didn't seem fazed at all by the sights and sounds. :) No other baby Puppies though so I've no idea how she went. Out of coat Mum (Crystal) got Reserve Challenge which was nice. She seemed happy to be back in the ring. :laugh:

Congratulations Hudson. So they don't they have to wait to be a year old and gain 25 points after that any more? Part of the new rules?

no more crowded than any other indoor show at KCC Park ... tomorrow will be the challenge with 10 judging rings !!! Actually wasn't very crowded at all as I think half stayed home! Yes, it will be a bit sweezy tomorrow. Funny watching all the Squatters coming in and setting up their gazebo frames which now won't be needed. ;)

That is indeed one of my reasons for not wanting to have a child. Well said. I feel exactly the same. So glad I wasn't born thirty + years earlier than I was. Yes, but it was their choice to travel with the child. My choice is to travel without, and that includes other people's. Read the last 15 pages again, you obviously missed something. Noone likes listening to the squealing of children on planes (particularly the parent) but until it is banned (aka never) I suggest you build a bridge or buy some ear plugs I don't think anyone's calling for it to be banned. :laugh: The point here seems to have been lost along the way - that is, someone has the right to be moved in a plane if they don't want to sit next to a screaming child/man/woman/whoever. So they have the right?! I never knew that. Well I can only assume that if there is a serious disruption caused by said child, or in earlier posts the person has specifically asked not to be seated next to a young child, they would have the right to be able to move elsewhere. I suppose it would probably depend on how full the plane was - I doubt you'd get any other passengers wanting to swap with you. :laugh: My husband was travelling in Business Class (company paid, we travelled economy). OH offered to swap with old lady and give her his BC seat. Flight attendant told OH "NO WAY is that B*tch getting upgraded". So she was put up the back. Incidently, she probably wasn't a good example for me to use. It was just her demeanour and attitude that had such an impact on me that ,22 years later it is still quite fresh. As someone who posted suggested, she was probably just rude. There are better ways to say things I suppose.

....crying baby in a Cinema! That where I lose it. Ah, but you see I would not go to the cinema with a baby. Don't have much choice those times I go overseas. I would certainly prefer not to go. Me neither. I'm talking about someone elses. :laugh:

That is indeed one of my reasons for not wanting to have a child. Well said. I feel exactly the same. So glad I wasn't born thirty + years earlier than I was. Yes, but it was their choice to travel with the child. My choice is to travel without, and that includes other people's. Read the last 15 pages again, you obviously missed something. Noone likes listening to the squealing of children on planes (particularly the parent) but until it is banned (aka never) I suggest you build a bridge or buy some ear plugs I don't think anyone's calling for it to be banned. :laugh: The point here seems to have been lost along the way - that is, someone has the right to be moved in a plane if they don't want to sit next to a screaming child/man/woman/whoever. So they have the right?! I never knew that. Could you imagine a scenario where everyone is unhappy with their seating? It would be like that episode of "The Middle", where the mother rearranges other passengers to suit her needs.

....crying baby in a Cinema! That where I lose it.

YES!

I don't understand this. Only people who decide to have a child are going to be able to bring it up "me, me" style. Those of us who have no kids did not breed these selfish children. If a child is brought up in a 'me, me' style, or if children are considered the "me, me" generation why would anyone else want to be near them? If you think it is important to have extended family around kids, there is your reason why I should never have any. I am glad we live in a society that values individualism more than valuing traditional patriarchal family structures. It means that people like me that don't have the biological urge to breed are not trapped in a hideous life in servitude of the children we were expected to have. Try thinking of it in the context of "It takes a village to raise a child". :) That is what I am implying, that the nuclear (closed) family, where we don't have the benefit of the expected respect and input of say, the elderly, neighbours, close friends etc. creates a secular, self absorbed society and we raise children in this environment today.

Goodnight everyone. I'm going to sit down with a glass of red, a block of chocolate and a movie. :D

But it's not about children, it's about your problem with a woman who didn't want to sit next to your child. IMO, it is a problem when the dog has no manners, jumps up on visitors, gets talked to as though it's a human and understands them, gets a huge long monologue about why it's not allowed on the couch unless "Mummy" isn't at home, is allowed to beg at the dinner table when guests are trying to eat without being licked or if you're trying to have a conversation and the dog feels left out and starts barking. NOT acceptable dog behaviour - and shouldn't be allowed. This same dog was also allowed to hang around even after knocking a little 2 year old boy who was visiting! The kid was crying his poor little eyes out! And the dog's "parents" didn't even care These are my close friends but I really dislike their "parenting" techniques. I lived with them for 3 months and while I was there I did a bit of training the dog, teaching her to sit when people come in the door (sometimes works - bit hard when there's no consistency), to drop (which is handy when she's trying to eat your food when you're sitting on the lounge....) Oh and the kicker. It's a super energetic BC X Blue Heeler who doesn't get walked, living in suburbia. kept inside most of the time. (When I was living there, I let her outside in the back yard to let some steam off and they got home from work and asked why she was outside? Poor baby...) So that's my beef with dogs who get treated like children. Okay, but my comment was about people who have issues with strangers humanising dogs. Your issue is with your friends. Do you really care if I or anyone else on DOL that you don't know humanises their dog? You don't know us, it doesn't affect you personally, so why let it bother you? Gosh, I don't know Sheridan. It just seems to. Like I said in a previous post, I get an almost tangible jolt when people, (not always friends either) say they dislike kids. Does nothing total strangers do bother you? Like for example threads on Dog Forums that go nowhere and ask questions that irritate you? ;)

Do they actually say they dislike all children or simply say they dont feel maternal and cant build a bond with a baby/child? I think disliking or hating children is probably very different to someone who just doesnt connect with them. I think kids are great and have a lot in my life but I just didnt manage to give birth to them. Many variations on a theme Raz. Like... I can't stand kids. I don't like kids. I'm not a kid person. I hate babies, tehy smell. I prefer animals over kids any day. rada rada rada All entitled opinions of course but I still get taken aback. My problem it would seem. ;)

I'm so pleased most DOLers give the out of control dogs equal billing with the out of control kids. I wonder if those owners think their dogs "will grow out of it". ;)

Oww...you poor thing. Glad you didn't slip and hit your head and fall in the pool or something really terrible like that. My daughter came back from a run with our GSD, as she often does, but this one time her whole side had gravel rash and was bleeding. She had looked down at Clancy lovingly, he looked up at her, returning the sentiment, their eyes met, and he decided to 'kiss' her and they got their legs in a tangle and down she went. Hope your leg heals quickly.

I'm pretty sure Donatellas amusement was directed at the description of the screaming kids. Again, probably not funny if you had to put up with it. But certainly no comment on anyones failed attempts at starting a family. that's not what she said...she laughed at the idea that someone would get so offended by what she said and the reasons why... Yep - she said what she found so lol worthy and it wasnt the children on Drumbeat's plane. Drumbeat deserves an apology for that. She's never rude to anyone on this forum as far as I remember. It was uncalled for. Getting back to the OP, I cant ever recall meeting childless animal lovers who claim they actively dislike children. Really? People must like to tell me what they think (Great! :rolleyes: ). I known plenty of horse/dog/cat owners who have openly told me of their feelings in this area. Yes, it is their business how they feel. They have that right, just as everyone does.

Exactly. There's diversity across the community. Each to their own notions of what they personally like, or do not like. So long as it does not translate into unfairness or lack of consideration for children. Yes, this! Who gives a flying toss if someone doesn't like kids? So long as they aren't being nasty to or abusing kids in any way, what on earth is the problem? :laugh: I think the issue for some people isn't those who don't like kids, it's those who don't like their kids. To be fair I dont think the intention by the aforementioned poster was to harass others, just think some parents are SO into being parents they cannot accept/ understand anyone who isn't. They kinda get tunnel vision about it. Personally I'd rather swallow razor blades than have a child lol. Thank god I'm almost beyond the age where it's a possibility. Being a parent is a lifestyle choice, and it has never been a lifestyle that's appealed to me .. Shudders. Perhaps that wasn't the intention but the OP, after I responded, continued to go on about it. It's no one's business why someone doesn't like children and to keep going on about it is simply tunnel vision. But why don't you like (my) children? It is certainly not my intention to harrass you or anyone Sheridan. Perhaps my Thread should have been called...... "People that love their pets like children but have little or no time for human kids and openly dislike them? What's that about?"

I dont think Donatella was laughing at the fact that there were no children when tried for. This is one of lifes saddest ironies. So many people don't understand the difficulties in trying for a family unsucessfully. Becausue for many it "just happens". But for very many it does not. I was supposed to go on a fertility drug course but it turned out that I was pregnant. I am one of the very lucky ones, because I got what I wanted. This thread is not about whether you can or cannot have children, it's not even about whether you choose or choose not to have children. That is a highly personal and sensitive subject and not one to be handled lightly. I'm pretty sure Donatellas amusement was directed at the description of the screaming kids. Again, probably not funny if you had to put up with it. But certainly no comment on anyones failed attempts at starting a family.