LizT

The shelter owner has confirmed she will take him back if we are unable to help him and I would guess as a no kill shelter she will attempt to rehome only with an accurate description this time of the issues he has. I think it would be unethical for her to rehome this dog without having it assessed properly (by a professional) first. I don't think it is good enough just to rehome him with such serious issues that could end up in his injury or death. Suggest to the shelter that you want the dog assessed in your home before you return it. Then you will know exactly what is needed for this dog, and she will have a better idea too. Getting a refund is one thing, but unless this shelter operator takes her responsibilities seriously, this dog could end up either stuck in a shelter indefinately or in another home that is not able to deal with that level of problem behaviour. Who is going to take on a dog that may or may not have serious temperament problems that cause it to be so destructive and to try to escape? Who goes out to adopt a dog wanting that? Nobody normal. While I think you are entitled to a refund, I wouldn't send this dog back to that place unless the shelter owner is prepared to take the problem seriously and find out if the dog is suitable for rehoming at all. Sometimes it is kinder to have a dog put to sleep than it is to have it pass through a number of homes that are not able to solve the problem. Kinder for dog and people. I am really sorry for you, and I feel that the shelter operator has a responsibility to ensure that the dogs that she rehomes are at least up to pet quality. Unless she holds a qualification or follows an approved testing procedure it would be negligent for her to make a decision on the dog on her own. Now that she knows the seriousness of the problem behaviour she has a duty to do something about it. Disclosing the problems doesn't remove her responsibility, and unless she finds out why the dog is behaving that way she won't know whether it is suitable to be rehomed again or not. Greytmate she has only just got this dog from a shelter. All that assessing should have been done for her and her partners benefit and not fall on their shoulders. I think it was very remiss of the shelter to hand over a dog that obviously had not been assessed in an environment other than the secure pens shelters have. It is not fair on the OP to have to have all this burden when all she wanted was a nice dog to join their family. There are plenty of nice dogs, well assessed out there that should have been lined up for lovely people like these.

Staffy Mix. :) Sweet face. ETA Could have some Kelpie in there too.

AWESOME !!!

Sorry, wasn't having a swipe at you. Yes . . . this is wrong . .. as is all breeding that is done without the knowledge and means to do a good job raising and placing a litter of pups. I don't think anyone here supports random X-breeding, with sire determined by who can get over the fence. I guess there are a few people who don't think breeding a 'nice girl' who isn't show quality is a crime and are tired of hearing people shamed for doing so. Sandgrubber, we know what you're trying to say and I think we are finally on the same page here. :) The best dog I have ever owned was an "oops" bred dog whose mother had come into her first season and got pregnant because the owner had not got her desexed early enough. She was about 8 months old and was a ACD, she appeared to have had a liason with a Border Collie type and when I went to the farm with some Horse Club business, the owner had the pups (about 6 weeks old) in a box and said she was about to take them to a Pet Shop. This was about 16 years ago. I had recently had two dogs as house guests for 6 months and their owner had returned from overseas and my GSD was a bit lonely since they'd left. When I looked into the box and she asked me "which one do you want"? I actually knew I could offer one of these pups a good home. No money exchanged hands and the owner was not after any money from the Pet Shop either, she had the mother desexed and just wanted to be rid of her mistake I think. Not long after I saw ACD/Border Collie pups for $380 at the local Pet Shop (16 years ago) and this is what I object to. The ridiculous breeding of dogs for the overpriced Pet Shop market, and those who are willing to fuel this fire by suppying these pups from their pets, or cutting out teh middle man to make the whole profit themselves "because they are a nice dog". Maggie turned out to be the smartest and most attentive dog I never paid anything for. :)

Now we can't lose you! :D

So are they now hard to scan? That would be a big problem unless the operator was dilgent and went along the whole dog up,down and across. Not a problem if the scanner does it properly but a problem with my boy as it may affect his movement which is why I will most likely get it removed. My bitch's has moved down to her shoulder as well, moved after 4 years, but it's not in a position to cause a problem. If either were to get lost I would be saying microchip is on right shoulder. I see, thanks Reb. As small as a grain of rice, but in the wrong place could be very irritating.

So are they now hard to scan? That would be a big problem unless the operator was dilgent and went along the whole dog up,down and across.

The story goes that to get the first recognised wheatens in Ireland, they lined up a bunch of dogs and went, 'That's an irish terrier, that's a wheaten, that's an irish ...' And indeed, if a wheaten's head is shaved down it's an irish terrier head. The kerry's head is a bit differently shaped (the long mouth, for instance) but they're all closely related. Thanks Sheridan, I really loved the description of the Irish Terrier "always on the tippy toe of anticipation". :D

yes and my pups had moved within weeks down behind his right shoulder, will most likely have to get it removed. Why is that Rebanne? Is it because it wont register and they wont put another in unless the first is removed?

Did it start out between the shoulder blades?

Felt easily when just done on a six week old puppy. And for many weeks afterwards. Not so easy to find as they get older though. One of my bitches littermates had hers move down her leg and is quite obvious as a tiny lump there. Scans well though.

and everyone has a backyard....well unless living in a high rise? be it a square metre or square miles. Yes, it shouldn't be called "Backyard Breeding". More like "Random, whim breeding without forethought or planning". It really isn't about whether the dogs are purebred or not either. It's about what YOU as the person bringing these dogs into the world are prepared to do for the health and safety of said dogs. Getting rid of a bitch becuase you can't be bothered providing a secure yard for her and whom you breed "Because she's a nice dog" doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

The painting 'The Aran Fisherman's Drowned Child' is considered the first depiction of a wheaten terrier. Doesn't look like even the pictures of the wheatens from the early days of their first recognition. Paintings are not reliable. Precisely my point. BTW I was surprised to hear that the Wheatens lines came from similar ones as the Kerry Blue (as per the Late, late show video you posted). :)

To be fair they say there was a lot of "gift giving" and exchange of dogs amongst the Nobility of the day. The Temple Priests swapped Lhaso Apso and Shi Tzu puppies, which were interbred. And I would not be at all surprised if Japanese Chin were interbred with some lines of the Peke. The colouring and lack of coat being a clue to this possibility.

Where's the like button. Really Tralee, even with the sad outcome of this BYB experiment where the bitch is now no longer wanted and two pups are yet to find homes?

Yes, given that the chip is under the skin it really would depend on the condition of the animal. I saw a Border Collie that was hit by a train once and suffice to say the poor creature looked like "Cruella De Ville" had been at him.

Some reference has been made to paintings, drawings and sculptures "of Old" in regard to the changes in certain breeds. I really don't think "Artwork" can be used as an accurate historical record of any animal. It is very much left up to the interpretation of the artist and the style and fashions of the time. You only have to look at the poorly conformed 'pinhead' Thoroughbreds in some of the old painting to know no horse looked liked that. Some were drawn extremely round and others with what looks like stretched bodies. While I certainly agree that breeds have changed I don't think we have much to compare prior to the invention of photography.

Have mental image of BB on hilltop, standing on one leg with Iphone in outreached hand above head! :laugh:

Yes, I got an email stating they are the same place as last year. That map was a bit confusing wasn't it!

Don't blame you, I got heartily sick on sending my daughter up the hill with next doors dog in tow each time it came into our paddock and chased my horses and Jersey cow. The last time I just penned the dog and let tehm come looking ofr it. The owner still asked my daughter if she'd seen the dog, she syas "mum's penned him" so he hands my daughter a lead and asked her to bring it home for him!! I have learnt to treat "repeat offenders" with less concern. They know where they live. Problem is, as you say, they make a nuisance and upset our own dogs.

It is great! :D What "work" does a Great Dane originally do?

Closure can make a huge amount of difference with the way a person is dealing with a loss.

Oh that's so sad, when they get scared and get out and panicked and hit by a car.

You are allowed to pat and like other dogs.

What about Veterans. :) Could have a marvellous Oldie missing a tooth or two. Oh Oh...I just had a vision of teeth implants. Sure it probably already exists. :laugh: