LizT

How many cases of genuine diagnosed SM (and not epilespy or the more common "I think my dog may have SM because he scratches alot" cases) are you actually aware of in this country? Then compared that to the ratio of the very popular breed?? The few and far between cases that I personally know of have actually come down from lines imported from the U.K. Purporting this is not answer to the questionThe scan results given earlier in this thread demonstrate that it is a known genetic disorder in the breed in this country This is incontrovertible No one is disputing the existence of the condition. Just wondering why there is so much emphasis being placed on this single issue? You would think that CKCS are screaming in the streets and at the parks in agony the way some are carrying on. In 30 years my Vet, who has treated thousands of CKCS has seen one genuine case of SM. Meanwhile the cases of MVT have been exeedingly high.

That's good new Missymoo, here's hoping all he needs is a 'leg up' .

Moselle, Sophie will always, always be with you.

That's very interesting Dellcara, it highlights the importance of not focusing on the one single issue and looking at the big picture.

How many cases of genuine diagnosed SM (and not epilespy or the more common "I think my dog may have SM because he scratches alot" cases) are you actually aware of in this country? Then compared that to the ratio of the very popular breed?? The few and far between cases that I personally know of have actually come down from lines imported from the U.K.

Sorry, where had this outbreak occurred oakway? Indonesia? It would be a terrible thing for this disease to get into Australia, our Quarantine laws have not been up to scratch or kept in line with the increase of overseas travel. We have been fortunate so far. This became very evident with the horse flu outbreak a couple of years ago. I wonder if our Fruit bats would carry rabies or if it is limited to omnivores and carnivores??

Poor poor putty tat. Was is really necessary to shoot it?? :D

Missymoo, I did that with our littler ones. Just get a strong sucker to start a back teat and then after a few minutes when the milk is flowing pull him off and attach the weaker pup. After all getting his mums milk down will be the best thing.

I just get people crossing the road or going off the track when I walk by with my German Shepherd!! :D If I'm walking the Cavaliers they coo and ahh, :D if I have a Cav attached to the GSD they don't know what to do! :D

Actually the tide and currents can carry stuff for miles.

Congratulations! ;) Any more?

Congratulations Missymoo! ;) You could have something with Ann and Zac???

My Cavs come clean with a towel down and a brush after drying but the best one is the German Shepherd. No mater how grotty he gets it just brushes clean or falls off when he is dry! I have to admit he rarely gets or needs a bath but is brushed alot. Bathing doesn't remove the doggy odour for more than a day with him.

You may as well go back, they probably will have turned over 6 more teenagers by then!

They playing around is exercise for him She makes him move so it builds up his back muscles to be stronger. Also, I believe that her happy energy rubs off on him too. Just like his calm energy rubs off on her :p Emmaline Winchester "Pet as Therapy for pet"

Ditto that.

Thanks Ellz, I needed an "up' story! I'm just glad they let Chilli in the hospital. I told my kids before they make the decision to 'pull the plug" on me throw a couple of dogs on me first! :D

Fair enough. It sure sounded like they were doing everything right, for a while anyway. But if they were I guess they would not have bred the two or if it was accidently then they should have aborted. I think it was you Ellz who said that this phase (homing) was the hardest part of breeding, I am really seeing this now. Don't get me wrong, I didn't go in blindly and have put much effort and thought into it, but the realities have alot of variables don't they?

Another one for Cavaliers here. Very adaptable and will contribute nicely to the "madness" of any household.

So very nice to hear how he is responding to your loving care. You have every right to be pleased with yourself and him. :D

Ellz that is a really unfortunate set of circumstances, but I have to ask why did you sell them a full sister when they already had an entire full brother? Even as a novice I doubt I would do this JIC there was an accident? Not even sure I'd be good enough to keep a full entire brother and sister as I don't have 'yards' or runs but have my dogs 'living' with us, hence the desexing GSD and all girl Cavaliers. Unfortunately with litters there will always be those that are not up to scratch, so the question is what becomes of them really? Keeping all....an unlikely option, for anyone. Culling the rejects....I guess some might do this and possibly have but I think offering them as pets that have had thought put into them is the option I'd prefer to take. Infant desexing....not something I'm able to bring myself to do, bearing in mind I've just started out...the time may yet come for me to go down that path. So at this point for those that I cannot keep, which as I get more discerning (I hope I learn as I go along) could mean an entire litter, I will offer on LR to (hopefully) good, honest people. I'm just glad I have a breed that has small litters. Who knows the day may come when I feel the circumstances are correct for me to offer a puppy on MR to someone I don't know, it may even be a preferable choice than supplying a puppy to a potential BYB? Meanwhile someone who originally wanted a pet now wants a "perfect specimen" on MR to breed with so it looks like some more buyer screening for me. And if (or when) I get let down by those I trust there will be another jaded and cynical breeder to add to the ranks.

Is that because the puppy you have kept has better potential or is a better conformed pupped than the puppy you are selling the purchaser? If not, then what is wrong with her breeding from the puppy later, if all goes well and the puppy develops nicely? I think it's a good thing you are still selling a puppy to the lady, I just dont understand this part. Yes, the Puppy I have kept is the 'pick' of the litter and with the consensus of my mentors is the better puppy to 'run on' as the term goes. The puppy that I sold the lady is not one I would choose to breed myself for various small but applicable (to me) reasons. Really there is nothing 'wrong' with her (the new owner)breeding with a puppy that shows promise but I think she needs to do a lot more 'homework' before she considers this as an option. Everyone starts somewhere but I think her request was an emotionally, "this puppy is sooo adorable" driven request. But there was no way I was going to withhold the puppy sale from her, she would have been heartbroken. Why do that to a perfectly lovely lady when all she did was ask a legitimate question.

your kidding arnt u? LR came in because the register was out of pocket hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees after fighting Mrs Furber when she as an elected director asked to see the files. the excuse i was given was she was wasting staff time. dont know about you but I would have thought give her 3 staff full time and meals supplied while she read the files would have amounted to a fraction of the 800,000 n up they had to find money to cover. they offered life memberships for 500 and all sorts of things i forget now and of course the mandatory registration of every puppy born and as a sweetener to those like me who were horrified we had to paper pups we considered not of sufficent standard to have papers the ho so wonderfull LIMIT REGISTER. then they proceeded to do all in their power to limit how many pups a breeder can produce in the name of eliminating puppy farmers and again bemoning the ensueing drop in income.. so to compensate fees keep climbing and climbing geeu cant have it both ways. Thanks for that asal, that explains why the Miniature Poodle I bought as "Pet Only' in the late 1970's from a Registered Breeder who was also a sucessful Exhibitor came with a lovely parchment type "Pedigree" but nothing Official looking and the Schipperke I bought as a pet in the 1980's came on MR, which was nice for me as I went on to show (andtitle) her but decided against breeding as I had been lead to believe by the literature I had read that they were a "tailess breed" and couldn't see myself sending pups off to get tails docked at their base. PS. I think by the number of 'winks' BB is kidding. umm think your right, but hey maybe we all need reminding the other board directors sure can be bloody minded and not thinking of the best interests of members at times that case literally takes the cake doesnt it? i sure know i wasnt asked my opinon about wasting all that money in legal fees for what???????????? my belief was give her the key. what on earth made it worth wasting all that to prevent a fellow board member looking up whatever she might have wanted too. maybe im super dumb but i thought thats what they were elected to the board for. to oversee what went on and into the files? Hmmm...sound like it was quite the fiasco. :D

I also got a reply from them. ;) So now we know.

your kidding arnt u? LR came in because the register was out of pocket hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees after fighting Mrs Furber when she as an elected director asked to see the files. the excuse i was given was she was wasting staff time. dont know about you but I would have thought give her 3 staff full time and meals supplied while she read the files would have amounted to a fraction of the 800,000 n up they had to find money to cover. they offered life memberships for 500 and all sorts of things i forget now and of course the mandatory registration of every puppy born and as a sweetener to those like me who were horrified we had to paper pups we considered not of sufficent standard to have papers the ho so wonderfull LIMIT REGISTER. then they proceeded to do all in their power to limit how many pups a breeder can produce in the name of eliminating puppy farmers and again bemoning the ensueing drop in income.. so to compensate fees keep climbing and climbing geeu cant have it both ways. Thanks for that asal, that explains why the Miniature Poodle I bought as "Pet Only' in the late 1970's from a Registered Breeder who was also a sucessful Exhibitor came with a lovely parchment type "Pedigree" but nothing Official looking and the Schipperke I bought as a pet in the 1980's came on MR, which was nice for me as I went on to show (andtitle) her but decided against breeding as I had been lead to believe by the literature I had read that they were a "tailess breed" and couldn't see myself sending pups off to get tails docked at their base. PS. I think by the number of 'winks' BB is kidding.