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He has never gotten tired while we have done it recently (When he was a puppy I didn't know any better, so I let him walk off and play with the toy). But since we started he has been much less full of energy. Thanks for all your help. I'll really try to get K9force, everyone is recommending them. KRudd might pay for it, depends how our house goes (Getting settlement in the next few weeks, so we need a big as possible deposit). Maybe they offers interest free payment plans... Edit: Is the Leerburg Building Drive and Focus any good? Edit2: And now that I heave read more about clickers I will order one tonight.

We are building a house so the OH won't let me (And I shouldn't anyway) invest so much for K9force. I know it would be money very well spent, but I don't think I can at the moment. I'll see if the DVDs are decently priced, or I will sell a kidney or something. Edit: Is the DVD the CTS obediance without conflict, pt1 and 2?

Yeah, I figured. But I was already there (Not normally many dogs there, or so I thought). Lets see if this quote works this time.

Because I am not all that exciting? What should I be doing instead? I suppose waiting till he finds me more exciting would be better.

Thanks for that. I will give it a go for the next few weeks. I had been doing similar (since he was a puppy), but have just learnt to make a trigger word, limit sessions, and to tie back with harness (Saw someone mention tyre tube which sounds good). I took him to the park yesterday and he was good until he saw another dog he really wanted to plaAAaAAaaAAaaAAaAAaAAy with (Thats what it sounds like he was saying). I just held him back on the long leash until he got bored then the tug started moving fast and we started playing again. That should make him think other dogs are boring right?

I have looked at clicker training so much. He is very smart, but I know nothing about it and wasn't sure if it was too late. The last couple of days I have been going hard with the toy and he seems to be responding. His ears are naturally up, but today I came home and they were awkwardly down (One was half down but twisted). We went to visit his favourite person (OH's nana) and he mostly ignored her and didn't get worked up at all. So a lot of his problems may have been him finding walks too boring, but after a few tug of wars he looks so exhausted. A quick question about prey drive, I've read some of what K9 has written, when he says "tie-out" does he mean I tie the dog back (with a harness probably) and tease the dog so it can't get the toy? Is this how you build drive, by frustrating the dog? I'd like to keep him entire because I'd feel really bad if any of the theories on increased risk of cancer are true, and because I'd like to get him trained as a herder (Both our families have farms, not many animals yet though) I'm familiar with the breed, but this one is weird. The friends of our who love Bark busters tried their stuff on him and he thought they were having a fit. The prong collar was because I wanted to get him exposed to traffic, but it was too dangerous on a martingale. They really aren't as bad as your imagination would have you believe. I'm hoping I won't need to use it eventually (obviously), but I'm 23 and it is made of steel so it might help with a later dog, or someone elses. I'd already emails on of the trainers at that site, but maybe she has changed email address. I'll call her tomorrow.

Jackpot!! Thanks! Also, your link in the previous post has messed up how the forums appear. I have to keep changing the layout mode. It doesn't seem to be remembering my preference.

That basically echos what I find everytime I look for information on local people. Nobody in WA owns dogs... I've tried tooking on Youtube for drive training videos, but nothing. I am taking him to my local club for obedience now, that way it is easy for me to find somewhere with distraction for him. Hopefully their training methods mesh with what I'm expecting. There is another training listed on the Delta (Saw them somewhere on this forum) website, sent her an email. Are there any resources people recommend for this (books, etc)? Or is it a matter of finding a good trainer?

When is she nipping? During play, when you are walking, when you are sitting?

After I posted I remembered about some "drive training" I read about. All the advice seems linked to that. I've just done some reading around here on it so forgive me if it sounds wrong. I would seem to me that he is extremely prey driven. If he is focused on something that is moving he won't even bother taking food from me, that why treats haven't worked with cars. So, and correct me if I am wrong, I will try to build his prey drive with his toys and use them as rewards for his training. Should that make me more important to him when he has a prey urge?

Hi, I'm Ben and my puppy is Toby. I love my puppy, but I'm a bit confused about all the different advice available and was hoping someone could give me some advice. Background: Toby is a very energetic 11 month old male (intact) border collie. He is very switched on, and extremely loving (he loves his hugs). He knows sit, drop, heel, come, up, off (drop what you have). In the house he will obey every command as quickly as possible. He is very playful with other dogs and never runs out of energy. We haven't taken him for enough walks recently,but that is improving. I have been following the triangle of temptation, and I can put his food down and forget I need to free him, then come back a few minutes later from another part of the house and he will look very upset, but the food will be untouched. I haven't worked on distraction, i dont have enough time before work in the morning. Walks: He is great on walks, heels well. But he lunges at cars and snaps as they pass. If he sees them coming, he will go into stalk mode and I am unable to get him out. We have a prong collar, and he is much better now. I can see the cars bother him, but I don't know what to do. He will be good for the first few cars but then he will get progressively worse. I think it might be an age thing. What should I do for this? I have been trying to minimise the time i expose him to cars (There is a sheltered walk near the beach we take with no cars). Is it because he is too young to concentrate that long? Or because I haven't exposed him to them enough (Or for too long in a session). Or because I haven't taught him to look to me for direction. Being naughty: If something exciting happens, Toby will be very naughty. He won't respond to commands, etc (I'm sure you get what I mean). He is so brave (or whatever you want to call it), No! doesn't work on him. Friends of ours have insisted we try Bah! (From the spirit breakers... I mean bark busters), but he gets it even less (Because we have taught him No!, and Bah! doesn't intimidate him). My OH's parents have a farm with alpaca and donkeys, and he will sometimes run along their paddocks trying to rile them (or maybe he is playing?). I know this is because we don't have anything as distracting or stimulating at his home, but we don't spend enough time there to properly train him (I have started walking him on a leash with commands when we are there). Possessive/territorial: Toby is very good with people, any people. We have never had any problems with him growling at people. But dogs are another matter. If another dog tells him off he will play the puppy and give in, but when the other dog relents he will start doing it again. Today we were at a german sheps house, and when the food was out (our food), he decided the GS wasn't allowed on the porch with us. He would stand in the GS's way and when it had had enough and started getting angry, he attacked (not overly viciously) the GS until it walked away. Another time with some smaller dogs all the dogs were given treats and Toby was very possessive with his and started a fight trying to take ownership of other dogs treats. Thinking about it, all the dogs he attacks are spayed females. So now I will cover all the bits of information I have heard around. Is he too young to expect to be able to concentrate on me. Is he not used to distractions enough (I'm thinking of getting a long leash) (He will start agility soon). Do I need to have him fixed (I tried reading about the pro/cons, but there is too much biased BS by elitist breeders that I gave up). I don't want him to be easier to handle, I want to be a better owner. I'm not planning to breed him, but I don't want to get him fixed "just because". Can anyone recommend a trainer/behavioralist in the Perth/Warnbro area (Western Australia) that will be good with this type of dog? (No one like barkbusters though, i've seen what they teach; "Your dog is too stupid to understand commands, just yell till they submit" and "And interaction except yelling, your dog will interpret as submissive") Should I get a remote e-collar so I can beep him when he is being silly. He is pretty clever, so I doubt I would need a shock one. Any other comments or suggestions are welcome.