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After not having any hot spots on my dogs for quite a few years, My boy got one on his head in between his wrinkles. We have used Athletes foot powder on hot spots for many many years for the Bulldogs and Bullmastiffs and I always have it in my doggy medical box. So out it came and was applied. granted it wasnt bad but with two days of applying the powder it had virtually disappeared. It is zinc powder, one of the best ever treatments for wet exzema is zinc. Incidentally after we had the big wet the other week (and even though I had been drying the dogs feet after every time they went outside) and I was doing my weekly check of my dogs feet my boy had very red, yeasty wetness between his toes and under his pads. Straight away the powder was brought out and applied for a couple of days. He wasnt sore, or lame or anything but it didnt matter, they had to be dried up and the zinc powder worked a treat. Wet exzema loves moist humid conditions. It thrives in it. 110% recommend it

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Maybe we need to start a topic just devoted to colours & genetics in pedigree dogs as it is a very interesting topic and is one that has implications for breeders as well as the general public, many of whom visit this site when searching for a quality pup of any breed. I do know someone who recently acquired a dog which is of great conformation and breeding from a top line, but when they came along to their first show with this dog were very disappointed when told by the judge that dog did not meet standard and he did not know how it managed to be given full registration. Dog has pink nails on one foot and some pink pigment in nose and white face. I am scratching head on how this dog slipped through as well but won't go there The dog in question was a BB and was 12 wks old when sold buyer was unaware that all black points were required and that pink pigment was not showable, I seriously doubt if this dog had black points and no pink it would have been sold It is 11months old now and still same if anything pink pigment has 'grown' with dog and disappointed owner is no longer showing dog and planning on having desexed in next couple weeks - such a shame as they were very enthusiastic about promoting breed and enjoying showing. BB British Bulldog? A British Bulldog can certainly have pink nails and sometimes butterfly noses(as we call them) can take quite awhile to pigment up. Yes even up to two years old. Depending on the severity of the unpigmented area. If the dog was an extremely lovely example of its breed then apart from the partly unpigmented nose then maybe they should seek another persons opinion before they do anything. Our first ever Bulldog 33 years ago had a very small part of her nose that did not fully pigment up until she was over 1 yr. She was made up a champion with absolutely no problem (even being awarded by Specialist judges) and went on to whelp two litters all with pigmentation. Feel free to PM me as I am curious.

I have to agree that I am not a bb supporter. I recently had a AB stay with me for a few days, she was built a lot like a bb and it was 27 and she was stressed. I kept thinking she was going to die. She just laid on the cold tiles all day. Breeding a dog like that, with those health problems... definitely not my idea of positive evolution of dog breeding. I'm not a huge fan of the brachy dogs though. An AB. Do you mean and Australasian Bandogge? They are a crossbreed. Nothing to do with a British Bulldog in my opinion. And nothing to do with positive evolution of dog breeding. She was built very much like the bbs I see today. I don't agree with the bbs conformation. So what if she was built very much like the Bulldogs you see today! She was a CROSSBREED. I feel for you, I really do. It doesn't matter what the British Bulldog folk do, or how well they do it, they are going to be tarred with the same brush. If McGreevy has his way, the medical history of that dog would be lumped in with your pedigree dogs and will be used to drive the final nail in the coffin. Thanks for your opinion Pav :) I wish it was different and we could change the world in one day as it seems many people think that is the way it should happen. In Australia, there are actually very very few Specialist Bulldog Judges which is very sad, and if these Judges in my opinion were allowed to have a say(as such) as to what breeders are doing wrong and how many of them should be approaching their breeding programmes then we may see alot more changes out there. This is not about scratching anyones back or belittling anyones breeding programme but it should be about being proactive before things get really out of hand. I am the first to admit that we dont have a perfect dog, but I do also know that there are breeders out there who do have the breeds interest at heart.

Another one with words of wisdom. Please Steve, Tell us something we dont already know. You really do sound like a broken record. Who is pussy footing around? Who is denying anything? So breeding a dog which is suffering is far more crueler than a puppy farmer? No one who wants to preserve a breed and who has the best interests of the breed in mind wants to breed dogs that are suffering. One bad onion taints a whole crop in your opinion doesnt it. But there are puppy farmers out there. Are some of these people have even been members of the "group" you belong to. Was wondering when you were going to offer this thread, experiences of your vast knowledge of the world of dogs. And as usual go after me personally dont debate the issue - beat up anyone who might think a little differently and has the gall to say so. Though I notice you have already admitted some get it wrong and thats O.K. Get it right I didnt say one bad onion taints the whole crop ,I didn't think it and I didn't mean that but reality check some breeds are in big trouble and more than one breeder in those breeds have contributed to that and the current method of selection and "we're working on it" beating hell out of anyone daring to consider selecting differently for a minute is holding back quicker solutions. By the way I do more to promote purebred breeders,what they do and their dogs than most and at the end of the day I want all of the breeds we have to prosper, expect to live long healthy lives and be around forever. That doesn't mean I cant see that some get it wrong and its time to pull the finger out or loose the rights we have because some have lost sight of what is best for the dogs in their quest for one goal or another and their inability to see or consider other potential alternatives to make it better quicker is screaming out to those who are watching. In my opinion breeding dogs in rotten conditions affects those dogs only - and I didn't say it was a good thing to breed dogs for profit in rotten conditions or that it wasn't cruel but in my opinion deliberately breeding dogs which a breeder [notice I didn't say all breeders or any breeders in particular] knows has a fair chance at a poor quality of life,lack of longevity generation after generation is more cruel. Im more than happy to debate the issue but if you need to make it personal and play the man and not the ball Im not interested in playing - thanks anyway. I havent been beating up anybody Steve. I say what I say. I am so sick of people making comments when they seriously do not know what is going on and what breeders are trying to do. Is it so wrong for me to think that way. And yes in my opinion you are one of them. If people dont like what I say then tough, build a bridge, get over it. But dont expect me to sit back and say nothing and let the people who know jack shit have their ill informed say. Of course I have admitted breeders get it wrong. It would be quite stupid of me to say they are all perfect. There are many many dogs which should not be bred from in Australia(never mind the rest of the world) and in the perfect world I think Breed Councils should have the power to make some decisions in regards to dogs that get bred. Clubs pay a fee each year to the Breed Council. They should have some input. But getting someone into power in a Club who doesnt have the right knowledge could also mean the breed suffers. Personally I dont want to debate the issue with you. Because as from previous debates we have had, I have no respect for your opinions, I have no respect for the "group" you are involved with and I dont actually think that you are properly informed to tell me what it should be like. End of story.

For those who care enough and who would like to be informed of the outcome of the Standard change in the UK. http://www.bulldogbreedcouncil.co.uk/Bulldog_Standard.htm

I have to agree that I am not a bb supporter. I recently had a AB stay with me for a few days, she was built a lot like a bb and it was 27 and she was stressed. I kept thinking she was going to die. She just laid on the cold tiles all day. Breeding a dog like that, with those health problems... definitely not my idea of positive evolution of dog breeding. I'm not a huge fan of the brachy dogs though. An AB. Do you mean and Australasian Bandogge? They are a crossbreed. Nothing to do with a British Bulldog in my opinion. And nothing to do with positive evolution of dog breeding. She was built very much like the bbs I see today. I don't agree with the bbs conformation. So what if she was built very much like the Bulldogs you see today! She was a CROSSBREED.

Another one with words of wisdom. Please Steve, Tell us something we dont already know. You really do sound like a broken record. Who is pussy footing around? Who is denying anything? So breeding a dog which is suffering is far more crueler than a puppy farmer? No one who wants to preserve a breed and who has the best interests of the breed in mind wants to breed dogs that are suffering. One bad onion taints a whole crop in your opinion doesnt it. But there are puppy farmers out there. Are some of these people have even been members of the "group" you belong to. Was wondering when you were going to offer this thread, experiences of your vast knowledge of the world of dogs.

Do you really think so? I know so.

I have to agree that I am not a bb supporter. I recently had a AB stay with me for a few days, she was built a lot like a bb and it was 27 and she was stressed. I kept thinking she was going to die. She just laid on the cold tiles all day. Breeding a dog like that, with those health problems... definitely not my idea of positive evolution of dog breeding. I'm not a huge fan of the brachy dogs though. An AB. Do you mean and Australasian Bandogge? They are a crossbreed. Nothing to do with a British Bulldog in my opinion. And nothing to do with positive evolution of dog breeding.

Something about that part of your post doesnt make sense. Please elaborate. So which breed were you referring to in your post?

I have to agree that I am not a bb supporter. I recently had a AB stay with me for a few days, she was built a lot like a bb and it was 27 and she was stressed. I kept thinking she was going to die. She just laid on the cold tiles all day. Breeding a dog like that, with those health problems... definitely not my idea of positive evolution of dog breeding. I'm not a huge fan of the brachy dogs though. I love BBs but its because I love them that I will never buy another. We had one and that poor guy couldnt go for a proper walk, and when it got hot had a very hard time. Thats when I decided that it was not right, no living thing should have to live like that because we think they are cute. I will never own another unless they can un do what has been done to them. Thats just my opinion though and I am sure some people love them just the way they are. Pray tell me G, In your opinion what is it that has been "done to them" that you would like undone. You had one Bulldog that in your opinion could not walk and could not breathe in hot weather. So does that make all Bulldogs unable to walk and breathe in hot weather? In regards to the breeder, what did they do about the problem? Is that breeder still breeding?

Well said Megan. Well there you are then. Words of wisdom that we shall all abide by. Oh thats right. We are trying to do that anyway. But go ahead, just put the boot in because you can. As I said before, not a Bulldog supporter then are we?

Obviously not a British Bulldog supporter then are we? What do you think breeders are trying to do? They are trying to minimilise the need for these things. But hey it doesnt happen over night does it? C sections on bitches have been around for many hundreds of years. Education is the big key issue here. But people can only do so much cant they? They can only beat their heads against a brick wall for so long cant they? The funny thing is no one is standing up and saying, well what about us humans. Many humans can't have a child without medical intervention, many cant give birth to a baby without medical intervention and many people who do have babies have them knowing the possibility of them having severe deformities. ETA by the way, Many many Bulldogs can mate normally and do. With the advent of frozen semen and introducing more bloodlines via semen what is wrong with that? Many Bulldogs can whelp normally, breeders choose(because they can) to C section a bitch for the health and welfare of everyone involved. and not every dog has entropian. Arent you lucky that your chosen breed doesnt have many health issues. But they still do have them.

There is only ONE TYPE OF BULLDOG. How can you of got the Bulldog and the Bull Terrier mixed up? They are worlds apart. You seemed clear enough in your first post that you were referring to the Bulldog. Now you have changed your story.

What breeds are you referring to exactly?

Could be wrong but I believe the Bulldog standard was completely unchanged from at least the early 1900's until just a couple of years ago after the PDE debarcle. The standard was (I believe) unchanged - people's interpretation of it was not Almost right Sandra. There was a slight weight change alteration to the UK standard quite a few years ago.Aus and NZ took this weight change on board. Yes the UK standard has been altered now. But the ANKC and the NZKC have NOT taken these new changes on board. The UK Standard as we knew it should never of been changed IMHO. Breeders interpretations of the Standard will always differ. Murve, How many Bulldogs have you seen in your lifetime? As there are certainly a huge amount that have the ability to take on a Bull and they probably would given the opportunity. Given that it is illegal to do so and very barbaric no person in their right mind would do this today. But there are most certainly dogs of today that can. Many many dogs of yesteryear never even survived the sport and lived very short lives. Certainly the Bulldogs of today must look like they can bait a Bull. The Bulldogs of yesteryear(of the Bullbaiting era and earlier) were very different dogs to the dogs of today. Bullbaiting was abolished in 1835. Before that it had been around for hundreds of years. The Philo-Kuon standard was drawn up in 1865 but it wasnt until 10 years later(1875)that the Standard as we know it today was drawn up and accepted. When this standard was drawn up it was necessary to preserve the vital characteristics which, in the course of the Centuries, had been built up in the Bulldog. Many people who drew up the Standard had in fact taken part in earlier Bullbaiting. Had it not been for the advent of Dog Shows the Bulldog would of probably become extinct. Every part of the Bulldog is there for a reason, although there was not much attention given in the early days to the ears or the tail. But of course Bulldogs of today are going to look different. But even to this day you will find in many litters across the world a specimen or two which do resemble the 'Old Style' Bulldogs. The Standard was written for the preservation of the breed. Judges must judge to that Standard just as the Breeders must breed to that Standard. I do get a bit sensitive to people saying "there is no Bulldog out there who can do the job it was bred for" I have seen plenty of dogs and bitches who look very able to do that job. If you ever care to read the many stories(of which many are to gruesome to reprint here) of Bullbaiting in the very early days you may then appreciate the Breed and the tenacity and courage and sheer determination that still holds the breed together today. ETA and I was finally able to see the whole video. I couldnt view it the other day. They showed a Bulldog from 1837. And the Bulldog of today they showed was sitting down and looked quite overweight. Is that the best (the video people)can do? What a joke.

We always do our pups at 8 weeks Sandra. So its not uncommon. Thanks for the offer of help. That would be great if you could show her if possible I have messaged her via email as well Debs

\Hi Maranda You can do it yourself its not that hard. Will personal message you my phone number. I can help you over the phone if you like. Will try to find the link to help as well. I messaged you but not sure if it went through. Email me anyways. Debbie Secretary Qld Bulldog Club

\Hi Maranda You can do it yourself its not that hard. Will personal message you my phone number. I can help you over the phone if you like. Will try to find the link to help as well.

So even though this post is 6 months old. who in heck made MDBA God? Why would they want to send MDBA a copy of the pedigree AND post a copy of the pedigree on DOL? Thought you werent allowed to promote the MDBA on DOL. Of course people always have things to learn but I think you overstepped the boundaries in what you have said. MDBA is not the be end and all of everything.

Would love to see that happen.

Ok So these products have been around for years and have been used by dog owners for just as long. Experiences please from those who supplement with these. There are alot of studies out there which have said this and said that. Your views. Also a recommendation for oils which are safe for bitches as well I am aware that excess Vitamin A is a no no as it can cause birth defects.

Wasnt allowed to put this on the DOL Noticeboard. So am putting it in here. "Darling Downs Kennel Club" Toowoomba (SEQld) are pleased to be able to offer to exhibitors a chance to donate Best of Breed rosettes for our 2013 Championship Shows. We have 4 Championship Shows for the 2013 year and sponsorship is available per show or as a package. But this will strictly be on a "first in" basis. To sponsor 1 show, a Rosette will be $20.00. Payable in advance. For all 4 Shows it will be $75.00. This 4 Show package must be paid for in advance as well. Sponsorship for the first 2 Shows to be held on the 12th and 13th January 2013 must be pledged and received before the 10th December 2012. No exceptions. Each Best of Breed will receive the Rosette award and your Kennel name will be acknowledged on the Rosette as the sponsor. The Rosettes are of excellent quality. Payments must be made seperate from your entries to the shows so please use the contact email address to enquire. For further information please contact Debbie [email protected]

Newspaper is always a must. We use baby bedding(from the op shops) older fleece sheets(also op shops)on top of the newspaper. Depending on the whelping box we use. Very very young babies are always seperated after feeds and cleanups from Mum. As they get older they still have this bedding of which we have lots of. Always at least 4 changes on hand. We dont use vet beds and if they need warmth we use heating pads and heat lamps. Newspaper and sheets are way more easier to keep things clean. We have never found that the pups do not have traction. Also keeping their nails trimmed means they dont catch their nails on the bedding to add we also have rubber sheeting/waterproof plastic under the bedding