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Indi, the one on the right, is on the larger end of the scale, the others are pretty much average

From an ethical, trusted and wellmeaning breeder; providing me with the best possible pet pup. ETA: Other then coat thickness, what noticeable differences are there in male and female sammoyeds? Could you please post some boy vs girl photos? thankyou. All of those breeders mentioned earlier are ethical, trusted and wellmeaning. Though there are many others, also in SA but i don't know them personally. It would be best to call them or get in touch and find out what they're all about Males and females - do you mean physically? Girls are generally smaller than the boys... the standard states Dogs: 51-56 cms and Bitches: 46-51 cms at the shoulder.. so a small girl is significantly smaller. They also often have finer, more feminine looking heads. I dont have a female so can't show you any comparison photos.. but the first photo on this page is a good example. The two on each end are boys, and the two in the middle are girls (the girl on the left is Mum of the others!)

I breeder's site i was looking at said you must be prepared for digging, barking and pulling on leashes.. That this is common and expected. Even with training? As WS said, they are very trainable. They can be stubborn, but they are very clever and if you get it right from the start and continue to be firm with them i don't see it being a problem. You are dog savvy, you'll be fine. Know what to expect and you wont have a problem. Fletcher is my first Samoyed and i have him walking well on the lead, not digging and not barking. Wait - not digging is a bit of a lie. He doesn't just dig for the sake of digging, but he will occasionally create a bit of a 'crater' to lie in (for the cool dirt!) but that's it. which sex do you prefer? why? From what i've seen, the girls can be a bit sillier and bouncier, and the boys can be a bit more stubborn. As with most breeds you need to be firmer bringing up a boy, especially being a female owner. Is there a price difference male/female? Not that i've ever heard of. Does coat condition or volume change if being desexed. I'd assume they might get thicker and girls wont have 'predictable' coat-droppings as they do when they have seasons. BUT i really don't know Does coat stain after seasons? or are the girls generally good at keeping that clean? "I have not seen a badly stained bitch due to seasons. Each dog off cause will be different but provided you are willing to put in a little work with stain removal if your girl is a little messy you should be fine." What she said^ What age are samoyeds generally puppies for? Agree that it would vary from dog to dog. I know that my boy is 13 months old and was a wise old man until about 2 months ago when he became a puppy!!! He's a teenager at the moment and really acting like one, most have told me this phase will last till about 18 months. As for maturing physically, i've been told 4-5 years is when they are fully matured (if entire) Is Samoyed theft common? I've not heard of a case. I'd think smaller 'companion' breeds are probably more at risk. Do pups need restricted play untill they are grown? "I say each to their own " Agree with that! Go by what you believe, and what the breeder guides you. Many say no stairs until they are more developed, but then you don't want an older dog scared of going up and down stairs so it's a bit of a toss up! WS: "As for breeders there are a couple in SA but I know nothing of them or their dogs so cant recomend them. However there are most fantastic breeders in the country, I can suggest in no particular order: Kalaska in Vic Mezen in Vic Snerzok - in Vic (seeing a theme here :D ) Icemist - NSW (and a member here) Apolar - NSW" Agree with this list (Fletchie's a Snerzok!) and will add Airebis Samoyeds ;) http://www.airebis-samoyeds.com/ Oh and Aldonza... both in Vic. When you ask about good quality Samoyeds worth flying over - do you mean for the show ring? or simply from good quality, responsible breeders? Also have a look at the Samoyed Club of SA's site, i know that it was revamped recently so should have some good info for you on there http://www.samoyedclubofsa.com/ Glad to hear it's going so well!! Those grooming tools sound perfect!! :D Here's a pic of my boy taken last weekend.. Snapped by the lovely Wolfsong! again!

BP congrats on considering a Sammie, if you do chose one you wont regret it Wolfsong has just about covered everything i think! Will just add about the hearing and sight - definitely haven't ever heard of any problems. The breed is pretty well clear genetically of things like that, the only thing that should definitely be checked are hips, being a breed of their size. Some do check eyes but i think they're almost always clear, kind of like how most seem to check elbows but always get zeros anyway. Re the main registered question i'm on an Aust/NZ yahoo list which was recently discussing this and it seems that many - in fact most - do sell their entire litters on Main Register. I believe it may be because they are not an *overly* popular breed - like Staffords or Pugs or Cavaliers, so it's not quite as big a deal. As many seemed to feel on the list - if someone wants to breed their dog/bitch and they're not going to show or register, the papers mean nothing to them anyway. For that reason i would not 'steer clear' of a Samoyed breeder who does this, maybe just ask why they've chosen to do that and their reasons may be valid. Tear staining doesn't seem to be an issue in Sams - i think this is because the hair on their faces is naturally short. Though i have seen a litter of samoyeds in a petshop with tear staining My boy doesn't try to escape either. Nor is he a barker - just a 'woo-woo'er when i arrive home. He also tells my Pug off for barking Samoyeds in NSW are generally up around $1500, in Victoria they range from $1000 - $1500, not sure about SA. The SA Samoyed Club are having a special champ show (i think like 50th or something?) in June... keep an eye out for that one! I'm not going as our National is a week later and i'll be heading up to QLD and can't afford the time off work! But i know many will be heading over Also want to stress how gorgeous the breed are with children. I assisted with the Samoyed club of Vic with their sled runs over christmas - one was at a special school... all the samoyeds were just wonderful, some house dogs, some kennel dogs, all just a brilliant. Fletcher had his fur pulled and his tail run over by a wheel chair. He was not phased! It was like they knew what they were there for and all were calm and happy. The breed was chosen to do it's job of herding and sledding and keeping the children warm at night because they had a natural affinity with man.. it is still there today and they are such a beautiful breed for it.

Glad to hear his surgery has gone well and that he is recovering quickly. As for grooming i would recommend to continue with the daily combing and brushing to get him used to it. Put him flat on his side, be very firm with him and don't let him get up until you're ready for it - otherwise he wins! Start with just a few minutes of it to get him used to it and praise him when he stays nice and still. Once he is used to this position it is by far the easiest way to get to all parts of their body - once you've done one side, you just flip him over and do they other. You can also lift up his front legs and do tricky spot like in his 'underarm.' The sooner you start doing this, the better it will be for both of you! He's only going to get bigger and go through phases of being more stubborn (at about 12 months... trust me! We're going through this at the moment, haha) If he's really not okay with it - say if he's very knotty to start with and it's hurting him - you can ween him into it by giving him a raw hide chewy bone or pigs ear to distract him while he's on his side..... but eventual do try to do it without out it, he will eventually relax into the idea and love being groomed! This video shows someone stripping their samoyed out (who is dropping coat) just as i've described - see they do love it!Gorgeous pic, he's very cute!!

i have familiarised myself with the forum rules and I am not posting in a breeders topic so I believe that I am allowed to write this in here as it didn't seem to fit in any other topic. Have you? Check out number 4 and 5. http://www.dolforums.com.au/forumrules.html

Yes, they do. But I do suggest you familiarise yourself with the forum rules. Which makes it sound snob-ish.. but it's not like that, it's nothing to do with that. It's about the health, and on going health of dogs. Your question (nixy) and the fact that it can't actually be easily answered is just one of the *many* reasons this forum's users promote purebreds. Dogs are often dumped at pounds etc because they grow too big, people buy a cross bred assuming/hoping it will turn out one way, but it turns out differently. It is not the owning of the cross bred that is the problem, gorgeous cross bred dogs can be adopted from shelters and rescue programs. The problem it is the breeding of them (puppy farms, BYBs) - and supporting (which you have done by purchasing your puppy) I'm not suggesting you are going to dump your dog, but don't just fob off the fact that this a purebred forum like that... there are good and ethical reasons for it!

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Ohhh i saw him, he did look stunning out there! Congrats!

Weeee i'll be there! 22 Samoyeds.. how many with coats??? Not mine!

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Got Hugo at 19, Fletcher at 20.. Now i'm 21 and will be getting my third dog (another Samoyed) towards the end of the year When we got Hugo we were renting in a unit with no fenced backyard, so a pug suited our situation. We had plans to save up and buy a house after a year, which we did, and then we got Fletcher. I don't think you're too young, and it sounds like you've got something good between your ears and you're really thinking/planning/researching and that's the most important thing. It might seem like forever away, but it's perfect amount of time to get out there and make sure you get it right... you will learn most, and make the best decision regarding which breed is best for you, by going and meeting the dogs and speaking to owners and breeders - the pet expo next weekend might be a good time as there will be stalls set up by most breed clubs, people will be there ready to talk to you about their breed... it can be hard at dog shows as often people are busy grooming and running in and out of the ring, but the expo would be a perfect opportunity. I don't have any information regarding which dogs are good for beginners, I think as long as you do your research and are willing, as it sounds, to meet your dogs needs, it doesn't really matter. Of course... I'd suggest a Samoyed any day (especially as your happy to brush a coat!) or maybe a rescue Pug! Good luck with your research!

WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!!!!!! :eek: We sat in the car the whole time, until it was our turn in the ring... Normally we're grooming up until the second we get in the ring... what was the point?

I would very much hope that wasn't the case and i highly doubt anyone involved with the ANKC or their state organisations would even consider that. Perhaps selling to someone who posed as an excited and perfect puppy buyer, yes, but to 'offload' to a puppy farmer, when what they are trying to do is improve the breed, to create dogs that looks and act and perform as their specific breed should, it would go against everything they were doing. You could almost suggest that a very very unethical breeder might sell a litter to a pet shop - and i mean almost because it would be very far against what most fee paying, registered breeders believe in... but to offload to a puppy farmer, knowing full well that the dog would then be used for breeding!? Ugh sorry but to suggest that is so frustrating.... It would be SO unfair to "suppose that some breeders would do that." ETA: On topic - a friend told me this was on, but heard more of the vibe of buying from an ethical breeder and meeting the parents of the pups etc?

I was waiting for the exact same thing. I keep reminding myself... it's so strange, for those few moments which seemed like a lifetime when i saw him head for the road and i saw the three cars lined up perfectly to hit him, i was so positive he would get hit - and at the speed they were travelling i knew he had no chance. I was so sure i was about to lose him.. For the rest of the night it was kind of eerie, like he was a ghost dog... even today at work, it's like after having a dream that feels real and you have to remind yourself when it pops in your head that it wasn't... I keep having to remind myself that NOTHING happened, he's fine. Ugh! It was horrible.. I can't begin to imagine how much worse it would feel if he had been hit. Thanks so so much everyone for your lovely replies.. I feel a bit silly and dramatic but it was terrifying and i'm so glad you all understand that.

I've recently returned home from the park tonight.. still shaking. I'm lucky to have brought two dogs home, in one piece, without a scratch. I mainly want to post this as a warning and as a wake up to call to any DOLers who like me, trusted their dogs off lead. I believe i have 100% recall with Fletcher. I now know this isn't true, and not something i ever wish to test again. We'd already been at the park for about an hour, meeting lots of doggy friends, 100% perfect recall as always... EVEN when there was a young bitch that Fletcher fancied and when Hugo found a nice smelly fish to roll on, the 'leave it' command was given and both obeyed, as always. When some friends (met at the park) turned up, i decided to go around one more time with them. It's a huge reserve, i've always taken my dogs there for an off lead romp as where i walk is well away from cars and the main 'play spot' when a small lake is, is in the far corner from any roads, and backs onto (fenced) bushland and horse paddocks. The people i was walking with take a slightly different route to what i normally do, which at one point is walking almost alongside a somewhat busy 80km/hr road. As we headed towards this i popped my dogs, as i always do when i walk with these people, in the same spot, onto their leads. We walked around, fine, as we were walking back towards the lake etc i let my dogs off their leads, we were heading in the opposite direction and the dogs always walk in front of us towards the lake, we were at least 500m from the road when i let them off their leads, where i always let them off their leads when i walk that way with those friends. Hugo walked by my side and Fletcher ran ahead with the other dogs. ... The rest is in slow motion and will stick with me the rest of my life. Fletcher spotted a rabbit and began to chase it "Fletcher LEAVE IT" "FLETCHER COME!.. it ran towards the road. And so did Fletcher. "FLETCHER COME! LEAVE IT" I froze. I ran. I screamed I screamed... I bloody screamed, i swore actually, but i wont put that on here. Three cars, 80km, in a row, all going the same direction. Rabbit.Car.Fletcher.Car...... I swore that was it. In my head i saw and heard everything made up in my head. The last car saw him and slowed. It was what i see every week at work, pets killed by stupid owners who trust their dogs too much. Dogs who are driven first and foremost by instinct. Dogs who deserve to be protected by their owners, let down by the carers and killed. Fletcher wasn't killed. He wasn't touched. I thought i was going to faint or vomit and all this was going through my head while i then feared he would run back... I stopped yelling at some point, i think it was before i started thinking. Before crossing the road i stopped to collect Hugo who had followed me. There were suddenly no cars, but i checked 4 times, reminding myself that my safety was more important - or so i'd read. As i crossed the road i heard a yelp, and Fletcher appeared out of the bushes and ran towards me. An electric fence stopped his rabbit hunt. I picked up Fletcher by the jowls and yelled at him text book style. I fell to the ground each dog under my arms, Fletcher gave me 5 huge sloppy kisses. The bastard. My friends came running with my leads which i'd lost while i was running. My dog lived today. My dog lived to remind me who i am, his carer, his everything. It is my responsibility to make sure he is safe. I failed today and i came way too close to losing my best friend. I'm still shaking, and i'm finally having the chance to let it go and cry. Please, don't ever think you have 100% recall, learn from my mistake before it's too late. After tonight.. i will not believe that it is possible. In the end, he's a dog.. and why wouldn't he want to chase a rabbit?

It could be from an elongated soft palate (more common in a short muzzled dog) or Laryngeal paralysis (more common in an older dog) Hugo gets it really bad when he has had kennel cough - in fact he does the 'reverse sneezes' more than cough.. if it's come on suddenly, could that be a possibility?

Came back in hope of better news... **thinking of reg** :D :D

Oh... Missed that ^ sorry.

I'm so glad you got onto it early, *healing vibes* for Reg. He's not on a drip so this comment isn't such a problem... but i think it's a bit odd that you would take a dog home that requires a drip - Do you know how to fix the drip if it blew? do you know how to set the drip to the right levels if something happens to the power? do you know how to change the fluid bag if it runs out? What about getting air out of the lines? Unless you have some veterinary experience - as far as using i/v fluids - i don't think you'd be doing your dog (or your friends dog in this case) any favours. If you do have veterinary experience than i understand.. but even then, if my dog required fluids i'd much prefer them in a vet clinic where any emergency can be treated immediately with the equipment in the clinic.... sorry to be off topic, i just thought the comment was interesting.

I hear you're not supposed to really have a 'routine' but i find it helps, my dogs know im going and understand theres nothing they can do and its usually a very calm occasion... i use the same tone each time and say "bye huugz, bye fletch" Hugo knows, and sits on the couch and Fletcher tries to push his way out the front door i say "back!" he then stops, stands back and watches me go. Hugo is so good that even if i'm taking Fletcher out alone - to a show, obedience training, or a run - i can use that same tone and he knows he's not going on that walk. The other way around isn't so good Fletcher thinks he's coming until i yell at him to get 'back!' Again, once i've left they're fine, whether together or alone, i don't hear even a whimper once i shut the door. Having a goodbye routine- but not OTT (as in no hugs and kisses etc)- works in our house

Hands down - Ch Kalaska Aussie Boy. Not that i've met him in the flesh before, but photos and progeny have shown that Aust/Eng Ch Snerzok Strike Chaser is quite drool-worthy.

Thanks Ams,How long should i wait to see weather he grows into his elongated pallet?Or is it safer to get it operated on in 3-4 months time,will i just leave it up to the vet when we take him back? If the vet recommends it gets done, i would trust that advice - it's not something you want to delay too long, really, if the vet feels it is nessassary to get it done. I have not known or heard of them to self-correct, and have actually seen them done more commonly in older dogs - as in, they've been there all along, but cause problems in the grown dog - so i would get it done as a precaution if he's going to be going under GA anyway... Did the vets say as to why they didn't just go in and get them- yes it is more of an invasive surgery, but better than having two surgeries... hmmm.. ;) what complete ...bulldust!! Hugo lived in an elizabethan collar for the full two weeks of stitches, i took it off multiple times to see how he'd go and the first thing he do was roll over and start to chew them out - and he could definitely reach!! We don't routinely send dogs home with collars at the clinic i work at as generally they leave them alone and the collar itself causes more stress than anything... typical i had one that had to live in it

There's a petstock in Vermont and Mitcham. And there's klassy pets in Ringwood North, I know the owner- registered breeders, very nice, lots of goodies in there that you don't see everywhere else (they're also the only local place i know of that stock the BARF patties)

Both of mine are sucklers too! In fact i remember Hugo suckling my neck in the middle of the night when he was a puppy...