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I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to. I just find it even more shockng to find two people now that feel this way, i just assumed the opinion must have come through from your breeder (and, understandably, of course) I agree. Fletcher does have good recall. In fact great recall! Until that day, it had always been 100% since i'd been training him from a young age. That day, i learnt good recall does not mean 100% recall.

I rather suspect their opinions would change if their dog suddenly broke and got hit by a car. Or if they witnessed what I see all too often. The point is, this thread is information about the breed for a potential puppy buyer. Most will not have the experience of those in the "obedience thread". Read the replies I got on that thread, no one denied that no dog has 100% recall. I have never heard from a breeder that feels that they should trust a Samoyed off lead 100%, even those involved in obedience. I am involved on a few yahoo groups about Samoyeds and have often read of experiences by Samoyed breeders and owners all over the world. That is why I am so shocked, Wolfsong. You spend your weekends with Icemist so I guess I understand why you wouldn't find it quite as shocking. In fact, I have an example here of what Kate Hall wrote from Mezen Samoyeds in reply to the same post when i put it on Facebook "YES you are crazy to think a samoyed ever has 100% recall because they dont they are samoyeds!"

I don't think it was well said at all... I am so frightened that you are happily announcing that a Samoyed can have 100% recall. NO dog has 100% recall. YES Samoyeds are smart and have titles over many fields including obedience, herding, agility and tracking but as a general day to day living it is so foolish to announce on an open forum for those wanting information on the breed to suggest that they have 100% recall. Please read my post http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...188435&hl=# where I nearly lost Fletcher who I thought had spot-on recall, yes i thought he had 100% recall and luckily i didn't have to learn the hard way. I had a very, very close call and one close enough for me to try to educate those I come across that think that any dog has it. I also work at a busy vet clinic and see it every week. Well trained dogs, obdience titled dogs, stupid, naive owners who think their dog has 100% recall. Dogs being brought in screaming, bleeding, eyes out of their heads, necks snapped, bleeding internally, massive hernias, crushed half way down their bodies down. The owners SO regretful, SO painful, knowing full well that they were COMPLETELY TO BLAME. Your dogs life is in your hands. I am not at all suggesting a Samoyed can't be trained for obedience/agility/tracking etc titles- Fletcher excels at obedience and will be trialling for CD title in the somewhat near future. He is brilliant in training, he knows exactly what I want of him - he has his days, and is sometimes stubborn, a characteristic of this breed which would be stupid to deny to possible future owners of the breed!! (do we want people handing dogs back to breeders or sending them off to pounds because the dog wasn't always 100% obedient and they were told it would be?) It is part of what makes this breed so interesting and such an exciting challenge. BUT when it comes to a rabbit, or a cat across the road, instincts kick it. This breed was used for herding and was used for hunting and you know this breed is a natural breed, practically untouched and those original instincts will show up from time to time. If you don't believe that, then perhaps you may not have experienced this kind of situation because of the fact that you are very experienced in dog training yourself, and had the mentor of your experienced father to guide you... but do you tell your average puppy buyers that Samoyeds have 100% recall? If so, you are a fool and you are taking a ridiculously huge risk for the future of the puppies you have bred. Be thankful nothing serious has happened yet but open your eyes and look at what you're actually saying to people. Please read my post mentioned above and maybe you'll understand. This is how i finished my post that day, I wrote this just after the event:

I hear ya! Hugo was my first dog (apart from family pets as a kid) and i was renting when i first bought him, had no landline and worked full time. I was this close to buying a pug x cav because... I just didn't know! At the last minute a friend talked me out of it and I found an 'unknown' registered breeder who proved to be pretty useless. I also shouldn't have owned a dog

It's just exactly like the thread about the crazy things people said at the royal shows, which i agree was hilarious.. I just really would have liked to learn little interesting facts and was sad it didn't end up that way I didn't mean to be whingey and make you do mean red face man!

Thanks, I certainly appreciated it!

My first big RCC was when there were 23 of my breed entered, he was 9 months old and went RUBOB to the dog that ended up getting RUBIG. While i had gotten RCC at previous smaller entry shows i was particularly proud of this one - i only started showing when he was 6 months old so i was also working on my handling skills. Everything fell into place that day and I was just as proud as i was when he had gotten Minor Puppy in Show two weeks earlier (that day he beat no others of his breed!) I had nothing to show for his big win within his breed though... so i went to the secretary's office where they had bank RCC cards, they wrote one up for me and it is now kept with all other big wins that he has had since. Everyone is different and for that very reason I do think that it is encouraging to have something like this available for newbies... If you can go home and say that you have had a particularly good win it is nice to have a momento to look back on.

Go to breeds 101 great stuff there Oh, very clever!!! But nope, they're the main facts and info on the breeds. This thread was supposed to be a thread about learning interesting facts about a breed that other dog savvy people might not know about - Like that most Samoyeds have one black strand of hair somewhere on them. I never would have known that but found it very interesting when I found Fletcher's and then found out that they all do! In any other thread people would be apologising for taking it off topic, but it's been totally acceptable here. Just would love to read some interesting little facts! From the OP: Not "I would love to hear the crazy things that people think about your dog that aren't true!"

I wish this thread had more actual interesting facts about different breeds not just telling us what Joe Blow thinks about it and that it's "not" that.

The certificate itself would be a nice momento for a new exhibitor in a competitive breed. Just like how to a new exhibitor ribbons are exciting, even though there is no real 'point' to them either.

We actually don't all do it!!! My Havanese assume the dead cockroach position pretty much every time they go to sleep whilst the Schipperkes can assume that position on occasion but don't do it all the time.... I was kinda joking

:D I almost wet myself at this!!!!

Ohhh! I see how it is!!! We all do it!! Samoyed -They are not a Husky. -They don't get hot (well, as hot as one would assume) being white, with silver tips, they actually stay quite cool. They also shed their undercoat in Summer so that their coat is not as heavy. -They hardly shed - except for when they are blowing coat (they do make up for it then!) But the hair is much easier to deal with than that of a shot breed. -They actually aren't big barkers. Like all dogs, perhaps if they're bored. But no one i've met has a Samoyed that barks 'at nothing' like i've read about. -Most will have one black strand in their coat somewhere. -They were used to keep children warm in the snow by the Samoyede tribesmen, and continue their love for children and are great family dogs and are unlike some Spitz breeds in that way. -They don't have a normal 'doggy' smell, and are also surprisingly an hypoallergenic breed (from what i've read, and also what i've experienced myself, my Sam doesn't give me eczema but my Pug does) Pug -They didn't run into a truck. -His head is *this* end. Ha ha, you are very funny. -They have teeth (yes, i've been asked that) -Their eyes will not pop out by being held in odd position.. ever. -They fart and burp a lot. -They will sneeze in your face, and eventually you'll love it. -They are perfectly happy to spend all day in bed. -They can be very very successful in obedience.

I think it's a change of venue from last year? Maybe?

Think of it like a human pharmacy though... do you get medications cheaper when purchased on a repeat? Nope. As far as I'm concerned, the consult fee pays for the vets time, expertise and opinion. The medication fee (whether it includes a dispensing fee or not) pays for the drugs. ETA: If we didn't charge a dispensing fee, the tablets themselves would be more expensive in order to make the same profit margin. If I need a new prescription for say, my eczema cream, I need to make an appointment to see my doctor in order to get that- even tho I've been getting it my whole life! As I said earlier, if it weren't for bulk billing and Medicare it would seem like a complete rip off... And the vet's small dispensing fee (rather than a full consultation) would seem soft. But I do understand where you're coming from... Especially if fees end up the same with and without dispensing fees anyway like in the invoice you had. ETA: I'm an idiot and was obviously tired last night, there is a dispensing fee included as part of the medication where i work too! But it makes no sense to me, if a patient only recieves an injection, an 'injection fee' is charged, same goes if it is *only* a blood collection (these fees are not charged on top of a consultation though) so I don't really know what the difference is. Anyway, i just received payment for meds that would have cost 8c if there wasn't a dispensing fee...

The difference comes into it when you compare ordering meds within a consult, and ordering them as a repeat. I don't think a dispensing fee should be charged in any way if they are paying for the vet's time with a consultation.. In the way that it is included in the medication, there is no way to remove the 'fee' of the dispensing - resulting in, i believe, an over-charging (when a consultation is also had)

I'm new too and for Fletcher's first RC it was a big one. He went on to get RUBOB (from the puppy class) over two almost grand champions and many champions. It was a 25pt Challenge that day, and the dog that beat him went on to get RUBIG so we were very proud! Happily, when i went to the office they did have some RC certificates and they wrote one up for me. The committee members were more than happy and said it was lovely for new exhibitors to have momentos for these special occasions. Like you, I'm a new exhibitor in a highly competitive breed, so these things are exciting!! Congratulations on your Reserve Challenge, just wait till you get the big one! :D

I see your point, but all of what you say should have {and did} take place during the $57 consultation, surely. It`s not as though I walked in unanounced and asked for a prescription medicine without seeing a vet first. Very sorry! I didn't see that that it was at the same time as consultation (which was also charged for in full) in that case - rip off!!!

It's $11 where I work. I think it's fair - it's not about the cost of the bags and labeling machine - a vet isn't supposed to just dispense a prescription medication, they should look into the history, why the animal is on the medication, when the animal was last seen, and quite often they might wish to discuss the effect of the medication with the client. All of this takes times, sure there might be the easy ones that take almost no time at all, but there are some that can end up taking up a large amount of a vets time (especially the essentially free consultation that is often had on the phone) It's better than the human system where you have to go in and make and appointment with a doctor just to get a script for something you've been on for years... without bulk billing and medicare the vet system would seem soft!

Hugo's is not curly. Sometimes people ask if he's a cross breed because his tail isn't curly.. Poor Hoogz. He has perfect Samoyed carriage actually ETA pic: Greedy Pug with straight tail ETA oh a better one! (mind the leaves! It's from when Fletcher was a pup and he had an addiction)

I'm almost certain we're talking about the same one... and it's not a chain pet shop, but it is a very well known one this side of the city, it's huge.

That's the best one. Except that it only sterilizes and doesn't kill adult fleas and you need to buy another product if the dog gets adult fleas on them.

I think i know the place... They've always got far too many animals in there and the place is always stupidly swarming with puppy and kitten buyers They had a litter of "Samoyeds" there about this time last year. They all had blue eyes, but worst of all was their horrible matted fur and dark tear staining centermeters under there eyes... poor puppies ;) They also occasionally have ferrets - i once saw a family buying two who had never heard of ferrets until they walked in... the 'advice' the worker there had was sooo scarily incorrect... i had to run out before exploding. (i have ferrets... they're not for just 'anybody' trust me!!) I've seen this from about 3 visits at the place.

There is a huge difference between having your tonsils removed and a full spey. Um. No there is not. The testing is done for the general anaesthetic, not the extent of the surgery. It's testing how the body will cope with the anaesthetic. I had a general anaesthetic, so do the pets that go in for desexing. What i'm saying is that dogs with liver/kidney issues would be presenting this in other ways... Some have come on here and said that they have picked up on medical issues that had not yet been noticed... I question how common this is because generally ill pets (with severe problems such as liver shunts) are very obviously not developing properly and are usually in the clinic for that before the owners even think about desexing. I was severly sick after suffering chronic tonsilitis for 6 months before they agreed that I should have them removed (anyone who has tonsilitis knows that it is not just a matter of having a 'sore throat') technically the infection could have spread and i could have been much more unwell than what it appeared on the surface - but event then i did not have bloods done. I did, however, have i/v fluids (because i was unwell, as i would expect for an unwell pet having surgery) Not one person i speak to that goes in for day surgery (under GA!) has blood tests. Healthy people that go under GA for dental work don't have i/v fluids (of the people i have asked). You can believe that it's all necassary if it makes you feel better about having your pet go under for desexing, but i don't believe it is.

Yes John, all of your wise words ringside at countless shows has been very very helpful. /sarcasm.