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Agreed!

I read that too. Being new to this dog world, a new exhibitor and trainee breeder (dont own a bitch yet!) I completely respected this! It excites me that i have so much to learn, what a wonderful challenge! How boring life would be if we knew everything the day we were born.

Woahhh how annoying and off topic can a thread get!! My response to the OP - along with the training and advice that you're getting, I would desex the dog also. Just in the case that it is hormone driven it can only help. It may not make any difference at all, but considering you plan on having him done eventually I think getting him done now can only be positive. The line about desexing "calming them down" is rubbish, but dominant behaviour such as what you've briefly described may well be driven by testosterone. It may have by now become a 'learned' habit which will require further training, but the sooner you stop the testosterone driving the behaviour, the better. As i said, it may well not be what is causing the behaviour, but it wont hurt to try everything available to you and desexing is an easy or 'obvious' one.

Unfortunately Artemis wasn't for us either. I've just done about 7 weeks on it and have not been impressed at all. For starters, i didn't like the smell of it myself, it smells burnt or 'smoked,' i thought that was odd.. But it was the condition my boys ended up in that has made me feel that it's not the product for my dogs. Fletcher lost a lot of conditioning, felt super skinny (which caught me by surprise, i spend a lot of time with him, groom him etc etc but still with that coat the change was gradual and i got quite a shock when i noticed!) he also had a muscle injury 5 weeks into the diet change which may or may not have been related to the diet itself, but the lack of condition couldn't have helped. He also didn't like it so i had to mix fresh mince or sardines in for him to eat it. He got itchy, began licking himself a lot and had dermatitis-y skin which he'd never had in the past. Hugo, who is the kind of dog that just looks at food and puts on weight ALSO started to look way too skinny - I like to keep my pug trim but this even worried me! I upped his portion to over half a cup a day which has just been unheard of for him... in the past if he got one more biccie than 1/3 of a cup of any other diet he put on weight! I've just gone back and purchased a big bag of Advance which the boys were on before. They never had any troubles on it, i just thought i was doing the right thing changing to what sounded like the perfect dry diet. Just didn't do my boys any good, every dog certainly does have different needs and for my dogs it's not Artemis...

If you watch the other videos from the same person, with the same dog, she's actually taught her dogs some very unique and interesting tricks... this dog is not confused at all, it has been taught to do that with the noise... kinda ruins it!!

Highly recommend crate training for various reasons - ease of toilet training, a 'safe place,' no cage fear, ease when injury may result in needing to be confined (and woot! had to put that into action for the last two weeks) My first dog, Hugo, was not crate trained - but like you, did a lot of reading and decided to give it a go with Fletcher, I set him up in a crate next to the bed so he was still with us, and i could put my hand in to show him i was close by. He woke me up once or twice through the night to go to the toilet and he was 100% toilet trained by 11 weeks (better than my Pug STILL is!) He definitely wasn't jealous of Hugo's freedom, as it was all he knew! It is now his favourite place, he sleeps in it with the door open now. He had ear drops not long ago and he hated them, to get away from me, he ran to his 'safe place' - his crate!! 2.5 weeks ago he injured his shoulder, he had to be strictly confined for two weeks, he certainly wasn't upset at spending all day in his crate with a toy I wish Hugo was crate trained.. we're working on it...

I'll be there, dragging OH along with Fletcher and taking Kelza's Sonnet along for the show too. Is this the same place the Geelong Royal show is? How come Group 6 is off on their own? I remember there being a sort of undercover area (if it's the same as the geelong royal) - but from my little diagram, it looks like this area will be useless for me in Group 6, right? (I don't have a gazebo ) Good luck with Lola's first show, Littlehoot!

*giggle* that was very cute!!

I think you'll find it is very scripted and I'm sure Carrie was told to say that. It's funny when they have guests on the show and their 'natural converstations' are so fake and stilted. I don't think she's an idiot, I really like her, so i will defend her :rolleyes:

IMO this a very pompous statement, and is the reason a lot of newbies give up. Not pompous at all. Just a fact. As the next sentence states "You need to have observed several generations for their full lifespan to really know a breed." You simply cannot acquire this level of knowledge in under 20 years. Agree, the above fact is very discouraging. On the other hand, I am new, and I'm more than happy to hear I've got a lot to learn, and will continue learning for years and years (20+ years!), and you know what? That really excites me! I really like learning, and love a good challenge.

While i do understand this, and I know that it is part of the code of ethics, it is something that I have heard questioned on a number of occasions. I feel that provided they're health tested, and breeders are willing to be there for puppy buyers as any ethical breeder should, and the breeders breed to the standard and compete in conformation showing/dog sports etc to know quality is good. There are backyard breeders that do none of that and they're providing people with poorly bred pups, I'd much prefer someone 'over breeding' (in accordance to the COE) good quality dogs than unhealthy ones or cross breeds. While I agree that there are plenty of dogs in shelters, it is often preached (and rightly so) on DOL that purebreds are a good choice for many for their predictability in terms of temperament and requirement - I can understand that one might chose to purchase a purebred puppy over a rescue dog for this reason (and in particular a puppy - so that all training and upbringing history can be consistent) Why then, should it be so difficult for someone to purchase a puppy that they simply want as a pet? I still believe that one persons idea of 'ethical' is different to the next (which is irrelevant really in this case because it is the ANKC code of ethics that a breeder must abide by.) but personally, i feel that provided all other means are met (health tests, ongoing support etc) then breeding to the pet market, within reason, does have it's positives. When i say within reason - i mean i'm not referring to someone breeding hundreds of litters a year, but perhaps it is a small scale breeder, who does not at that time require (or at that time cannot house) another dog, but they have many puppy enquiries.... i just don't think they should have to justify that. They have perfectly good quality health tested dogs, why can't they provide pet homes with such quality, rather then sending them away where they may be tempted to go to BYBer or petshop? ETA: to cover my back here, the answer to that question is the COE... just something i don't 100% agree with and i'm only raising this to see what others think. 2nd Edit: I also don't know how my idea could be controlled anyway because there are large and small scale breeders. It's a tricky one!

Oh my gosh... How terribly frightening. I'm not rolling in money but i will definitely donate what i can, i guess every bit will help. Thinking of Jed

Current list... Samoyed, (really I think there's only one breed on my list!) Pug, (currently own, and love, will continue with fostering) Bearded Collie, Lowchen, Dobermann (omg new love!) Fox Terrier - wire Keeshond, Sheltie, Ummm... Samoyed Samoyed.

I agree, that's exactly how I have gone about it myself. I started out with a dog just over a year ago, I waited 8 months for him as I was wanting something from a particular line. And it has been non-stop learning ever since. Learning about showing, how to handle, how to groom, learning about my breed, developing relationships with other exhibitors and breeders within my breed. I now have 2 great mentors and am waiting for a litter to be born later this year in which will hopefully be my foundation bitch. :noidea: Me too!! Same time frames too! It becomes such a passion too, for the breed. Something that you can't explain until you 'feel' it. Something that is more than just "oh i'd like to breed a litter of pups"

Hi Ruski, I just have one dryer, it's often sold (new) on ebay but can also be ordered through other websites and no doubt pet stores/grooming salons - but it's cheapest on Ebay. It has an optional "on/off" heater (i usually have it 'off' except at the start if its very cold) and variable 'blowing' speed (so gentler around the ears etc) I've had this one for 8 months (I'm new to showing/samoyed owning!) use it weekly before shows and it's little enough for us to take away when we go away for showing and it is obviously used more frequently then for friends dogs and especially when its a wet weekend (or if they have grubby puppies!!) It hasn't let me down! You can also get stands for them (most ebay sellers have them as an optional extra) but i prefer it without, just personal preference! It's super super powerful, as powerful or more so than all other dryers i've seen. (most effective I find with the skinniest nozel of the three that you're given) One thing i noticed is how it doesn't overheat (when heat switch is off) I have used dryers in the past (at a friends salon and at 'do it yourself' type of places) and they overheat very quickly which as i think Wolfsong pointed out a few pages ago can ruin a dog's coat. This dryer's air stays quite cool unless you have the heat switch 'on' it can then get quite hot, so I leave it off most of the time. Highly recommend!! Aeolus h-901 <-- example of one on ebay.

LOTG- I'm entered at those shows too!! Only I won't see you much in June as we're heading up Miss B's way to QLd for the Sammy national!!! I'm very excited Dotty huge congrats on your results this weekend!!! Absoloutely brilliant, you must be stoked No results from me as the young man hurt his shoulder last week, is on anti inflammatories and confinement and reacted to the medication with 24hrs of diarrhea starting at 2am Saturday morning It's been a long weekend cleaning Samoyed pants!!!

Congrats from me and all at BVC

Chyeah, I reckon!! I'll be venturing back here more often if there are people I can relate to better

Yep! Asian Breeds Club 2009 was his first ever show at exactly 3 months of age This is a pic of him on the day OMG! Too cute!!

Thanks for posting, John. The original question was To this, I told of my story with Fletcher who had, until the day he ran across the road, what I felt was 100% recall. I didn't really answer the question in regards to Samoyeds in comparison to other breeds. I really just wanted to stress of the unpredictability of dogs for the average owner (as we still have no idea the reason this poster asked the question/if they are experienced trainers etc etc) I then proceeded to say that I didn't believe any dog, of any breed, can have 100% recall but feel you said it best with what you said about "assuming." Essentially that is what I was saying, but unfortunately it was taken in the wrong way (i think?) Thanks for your advice on the drop on command with a recall, it certainly makes sense.

Congratulations to you both Ash and Kyza! Such a great achievement and so well earnt. Pretty special to do it on the weekend that marks one year in the ring (is that right?) Will give him a great big kiss when I meet him in June!! Yayyy!!

Yep, it was me and it was my silly boy Fletcher that took off after a rabbit. Scariest moment of my life. Sorry to hear you had a similar situation with Cooper - certainly opens your eyes. Dogs are dogs, after all.

For what it's worth (and apparently that's not a lot) I think this was very well put.

You're looking awfully rude, immature and disrespectful, Icemist. I am so glad the Samoyed breeders and exhibitors in my state have been nothing but supportive and I respect them even more at this very moment. You know I back up everything I say with the fact that I am new and that I am aware of that. And it is the new factor (of myself, and others reading this forum because that can be ANYONE getting a pet samoyed) that scares me about what you are saying! It is years of knowledge that has allowed you to train your Samoyeds this way! How can you completely ignore what I see on a weekly basis of people that sound just like you? That cry about the fact that they thought their dog has 100% recall (even when there are cats around) while they hang over their dead dog on the floor of the clinic? Perhaps it effects me more because I have to put their dogs in a black plastic bag and put in the freezer to go off for burial or cremation after the owners leave? or I have to look after the dying dog with crushed insides in a cage, watching it suffer, struggling to survive, when owners don't want to let go? I may not have long term experience with Samoyeds - but i have seen enough dogs hit by cars to know not to take that risk, and to warn others of the risk. Wake up, Icemist. You have the knowledge BECAUSE of the experience and years that you have. I don't and my dog was nearly hit by a car because i believed he was under effective control. Since then, every Samoyed person (except for you) has said it was a risk! I wish I'd been warned before... So this is my warning to other newbies just like me!!

In the case of this post... I think we can agree that we actually pretty much agree! It is important to stress that Samoyeds can be stubborn and are not the easiest breed to train, they can be trained and are very smart. And I think that as long as someone is aware of the fact that they can be difficult then it is okay. I questioned Snerzok about this and he said it was because about 50 years difference in our understanding of Samoyeds I think he was saying that I was wrong, but kind of proved my point in saying it takes years to have a fully trained Samoyed.. maybe in 50 years I'll master the 100% recall! But Icemist was making it sound like it was strange that someone didn't trust their Samoyeds off lead and that he felt 'sorry' for them - and that is what I found surprising, when most will stress that it is not just 'that easy.'