Dame Aussie

This is me too. When I got my dogs as babies I was working at a large pound and stayed on there for a few years after I got them so I believe they have been in contact woith all kinds. THey don;t get boarded and only mix with dogs they know other than the occasional hello sniff on a walk. I see the KC as useless as it cannot protect against all strains, my dogs got it after they were vaccinated against it, and haven't had it since I stopped vaccinating for it.

We got the VIP for our two the other week just to give it a try as we don't feed a lot of dry, they loved it!!

This last bit is what worries me. Yes it isn't perfect but the vast majority of euths are peaceful and quick, I don't want people to now be terrified of euthing and feel guilty or put it off.

I have had 3 dogs PTS in my lifetime, all 3 were very peaceful with no visible fretting from the dog. I have also worked at a large pound and I have never seen a dog visibly distressed before being PTS. I wish I could say the same for mine dogs My eldest Samoyed screamed when they gave him the injection and continued screaming until his heart stopped. He had been in for surgery before, had needles and never had an issue. It absolutely broke my heart. Oh no, thats horrible I'm so sorry it happened like that Bjelkier

I'd always worried about prawn heads being too spiky too

I have had 3 dogs PTS in my lifetime, all 3 were very peaceful with no visible fretting from the dog. I have also worked at a large pound and I have never seen a dog visibly distressed before being PTS.

Oh, the ingrate! :laugh: :laugh: Mine are the same. Sometimes I'll give Mosley a little bit of something we're eating, he sniffs it and looks away, I have to put it on the floor in front of him and he will eat it when he's ready....*rolleyes*. As for Sardines, both our guys lurrrrve them and they get them a few times a week, tuna and salmon too.

Amazing shots!:)

It interests me that desexing can change coat texture. I've heard quite a few people say that about their Aussies coats once they've been desexed, that it goes dry and fluffy.

:laugh: agree

Yeah, I'm not sure but I think so...someone will know!:laugh:

I thought line breeding was breeding two dogs from the same line together....obviously excluding the inbreeding which is not allowed..

I think it's unfair to talk about dogs suffering when they are PTS. It is the most humane way for an animal to die, other than in it's sleep, and people shouldn't need to feel as though their dog is upset, scared and suffering whilst it happens.

The concept of their own imminent death or that of an owner or another dog perhaps? I would suspect that there is a huge amount of irrefutable evidence that dogs understand when an owner, or another animal that they live with, is dying or has died. Dogs do grieve, do they not? As with any mammal in particular, they also understand when their own life is in danger and react accordingly, using the flight or fight response. In regards to this particular situation, it is a shame that the son chose to follow his mother's wishes. People who know they are dying do not always make rational decisions, just as people who are not dying also can make stupid decisions. In my opinion, this woman's decision was not entirely different to people who choose to have a fairly young and healthy dog put down for other nefarious reasons. Yes - ask any person involved in killing dogs in pounds and shelters. I suspect they know exactly what is about to happen to them. The airy fairy idea that this dog did not "suffer" in any way before being killed is just denial of the reality IMO. Have you been involved in killing dogs in pounds and shelters? I have, and I strongly doubt they know exactly what's about to happen to them. I'd never say it was a nice thing or that the dogs having a great time, but dogs cannot reason that way.

They look great pesh! I love the third where you caught the suns rays!

Yes, I was more referring to line breeding.

I don't believe the ANKC has an issue with it, could be wrong though...

Oh I know, it would be wonderful! No wonder they're such happy chappies :)

At least she sounds as though she wants to do the right thing, well done on giving her some good info, hopefully she takes it on board :)

The concept of their own imminent death or that of an owner or another dog perhaps? I would suspect that there is a huge amount of irrefutable evidence that dogs understand when an owner, or another animal that they live with, is dying or has died. Dogs do grieve, do they not? As with any mammal in particular, they also understand when their own life is in danger and react accordingly, using the flight or fight response. In regards to this particular situation, it is a shame that the son chose to follow his mother's wishes. People who know they are dying do not always make rational decisions, just as people who are not dying also can make stupid decisions. In my opinion, this woman's decision was not entirely different to people who choose to have a fairly young and healthy dog put down for other nefarious reasons. They get cues that something is different but they don't understand that in the future my owner will die and I'll never see them again. Some go through periods where they behave as though they are grieving, but it's not the same grieving we do. When the fight or flight adrenal response occurs it's instinctive, it's not a cognitive process, it's hard wired. Dogs don't have theory of mind or meta-representation (yes, evidence for that) so they cannot understand that things will be different in the future and mourn that, they live in the now. Which is what I love about them :)

Good on him, what a great person trying to help them out. They are beautiful. As far as I'm concerned it should never happen.

My guys eat a mainly raw diet but I do keep kibble on hand if we run out, in emergencies and busy times etc. Normally they get a raw meaty bone for breakfast (chicken frame, chicken leg, lamb neck, turkey wing eyc), then some meat (lamb, sardines, tuna) before bed. If I've run out of raw they might get kibble as a meal mixed with sardines/yoghurt or egg. They love their food, even the dry when they get it, and are pictures of health, last time they were at the vet she couldn't get over their coats :)

Yes, we went to these guys with our old Chi x's who have passed now. It's a lovely little vet practice.

:laugh: Stan isn't scary.....unless he's in the fridge

Well I never said anything rude to you in my post at all. Didn't think I did either. Oh well.