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Hmm, Does that mean if I get a dog scanned at the vets and get them to give me the microchip number I could then go home and change those details (whatever was there in the first place) to mine? --Lhok

Read the regulation as a PDF from the link in the article but I am confused by this wording. Does the bolded bit below mean you are still beholded to the regulation even if you are no longer a member of GRNSW? Disciplinary action by GRNSW (1) If a person contravenes clause 4 or 5 (1), GRNSW may, in accordance with the rules, do either or both of the following: (a) disqualify the person, (b) prohibit the person from participating in or associating with greyhound racing in any specified capacity. (2) Any such action may be taken in respect of a person even though the person is no longer registered under the rules. (3) This clause does not limit any other disciplinary action that may be taken by GRNSW in accordance with the rules. --Lhok

If they just wanted to stop greyhound racing it wouldn't be this detailed. Indeed that and what it means I have been fearing since this has been announced. The precedent I believe has been set. --Lhok

1. Join a breed club or a show club. 2. Attend a meeting 3. Await incoming 4. Train as a steward if you meet the criteria. 1. How does one find a show club? There is only one breed club for my breed of interest and that is in Victoria. The other breed isn't in the country and not registered as an approved breed. 2. Will do so once I find where my local show club is, I hope the barrier of where I live doesn't prevent me from doing so as well. 3. What does that mean? 4. I certainly will try. --Lhok

Hard to take a PHD survey seriously when you use a made up word in the title such as caretakership. --Lhok

I'm giving suggestions, because I want this to work. I have no issues with rolling up my sleeves and actually doing work I have looked into helping running shows and what not, but to this day I haven't been able to actually find out how to. But I do spend a good chunk of my time talking to people on facebook in the various groups I am in explaining how the ANKC works and how the papers are issued with pups. As an aside to prove how well the promotion of purebreds is: I just went to the Dogs NSW site. There is no mention of the Dog lovers show on the Front page of the website you have to look under Canine activities in a drop down box under activities and events you would think that something as big as the dog lovers show would be on the front page to promote purebred dogs. --Lhok

The AKC has 90 full time employees and an operating budget that goes to seven figures. Resources matter. If resources matter why not do away with the states and restructure it so there is only one body then? Also how'd the AKC get to where it is today? it started small and worked up. If we continue with the excuses as to why this and that can't be done we will never get anywhere. --Lhok Well for a start the AKC don't have members they simply register dogs and have a show system. Their breed clubs rule what is and isnt able to be registered - prime example of this is the Dalmatian club still blocking the ability to open the stud book for preventing a genetic disease some 16 years after it was possible and breed clubs run the show and they affiliate they recognise them for a fee and issue awards. To be completely honest though all I can see are excuses as to why something can't/won't be done. I don't care about the breed clubs in America and what they will and won't register. You state that the AKC has a show system and is a register on their website (which looks miles better and is way more infomative than the ANKC one) it has this as a mission statement: "The American Kennel Club is dedicated to upholding the integrity of its Registry, promoting the sport of purebred dogs and breeding for type and function. Founded in 1884, the AKC® and its affiliated organizations advocate for the purebred dog as a family companion, advance canine health and well-being, work to protect the rights of all dog owners and promote responsible dog ownership. Objective Advance the study, breeding, exhibiting, running and maintenance of purebred dogs. Core Values We love purebred dogs. We are committed to advancing the sport of the purebred dog. We are dedicated to maintaining the integrity of our Registry. We protect the health and well-being of all dogs. We cherish dogs as companions. We are committed to the interests of dog owners. We uphold high standards for the administration and operation of the AKC. We recognize the critical importance of our clubs and volunteers. On the ANKC website it has as its mission statement as: "To promote excellence in breeding, showing, trialling, obedience and other canine related activities and the ownership of temperamentally and physically sound pure bred dogs by responsible individuals across Australia. To promote responsible dog ownership and encourage State Member Bodies to put in place programs to that effect. To act as spokesperson on all canine related activities on a National basis on behalf of State Member Bodies and to pledge assistance and support to the respective State Member Bodies." To me their objectives sound the same, So again I ask why isn't the ANKC being proactive like the AKC? --Lhok

The AKC has 90 full time employees and an operating budget that goes to seven figures. Resources matter. If resources matter why not do away with the states and restructure it so there is only one body then? Also how'd the AKC get to where it is today? it started small and worked up. If we continue with the excuses as to why this and that can't be done we will never get anywhere. --Lhok

I have often wondered why the ANKC can't be more proactive like the AKC is. Yes the AKC does get somethings wrong, but as a whole they do have a share of the public's attention. We need more public events like Meet the breeds etc. The public needs to see and interact with us too many shows are out of the way, we had a dog show at our Ag show for years, then it was moved away from the actual showground to another area no where near the show and I heard people at the show saying how sad it was that there wasn't any dogs there anymore. We need the general public way more then they need us. We need them to care and the only way that is going to happen is if we get out there and promote, promote, promote. --Lhok

I'd like to see health testing results made public on the pedigrees of the dogs. Don't say this can't be done because I have seen it on pedigrees of dogs in Europe. Yes I know health testing doesn't mean a pup will be clear but at least it is a visible start. I'd also love to see DNA profiling done too. I don't care if it adds an extra charge on the breeder of the dogs. In the Akita many breeders don't health test and they openly stated they don't health test as they state that their dogs are healthly, they should as the breed is riddled with health problems but they don't and won't. If it was made mandatory to see that health testing was done and traced it would be a good thing. In Sweden, the Jamthund is considered a working dog (it hunts elk,bear and other large game) they have to pass a working trial and place before they can be considered a champion. I think that is a good idea too for dogs that do have a working background which still do have a job they can do. The Hovawart one club the International Hovawart Federation has it written that to be considered to be a champion you also need to be cleared of HD and provide the results before champion status is given. This is also the breed that many pedigrees I have looked at display the results of the hip screen. In fact the Hovawart clubs feel so strongly about the issue it is written into the breed standard. From the Hovawart breed standard: In the country of origin very great importance is attached to the health of the Hovawart. Especially the presence of hip dysplasia has been reduced to a small percentage by selecting, for decades, breeding stock free from dysplasia. It is to be expected that all other Hovawart breed clubs will aim for this exemplary goal. But trying to get this implemented will be hard, as most don't want to change. --Lhok

I think what Moosmum is trying to get through to us is that, the public doesn't see that dog breeding is different. There are issues with purebred dogs that has been brought up into the community and like greyhound racing we are left to regulate ourselves when it comes to how we are doing things. Moosmum believes that the pedigree system is flawed because in the purebred world pedigrees are believed to hold value (i.e you can't/won't get breeders who breed outside of it because it means their dogs are not eligible for registry) and as a result of that more and more issues will come up as it is a closed gene pool. I believe that Moosmum is trying to say that dogs bred outside of the pedigree system do have inherit value and should be allowed to add that back into the genepool of the closed system. This would be to open stud books and the flow on would be to add genetic variance. This would also show we value dogs and are working towards trying to make healthier pets. I also think that Moosmum is trying to get this happening before the regulation catches up to us all and bans breeding because we couldn't regulate ourselves. I could be wrong but that is what have taken away from their posts. --Lhok

Westiemum, I have no doubt that things that the greyhound industry have done are horrific however did you know and understand that along side the banning of the industry that innocent people have been caught up in it as well? Take a look at this: Looks like lure coursing is caught up in the ban too. The NSW Lure Coursing Association is shocked and disappointed by recommendations on lure coursing made in The Report of the Special Commission of Inquiry into the Greyhound Racing Industry in NSW. The recommendations, if implemented, would make the sport of lure coursing unviable by forcing anyone considering the sport to have to choose between the pets in their home. Lure coursing is a purely amateur sport for pet dogs. Both pedigree and mixed breed dogs participate in lure coursing. There is no betting and no prize money for participants. Our dogs chase plastic bags around a string course that runs on pulleys. Dogs who do not chase the bag are not euthanased, they are pets first. The practical impact of two of the Report’s Recommendations is that a pet dog owner who participates in lure coursing would be guilty of a criminal offence if their dog shared its home with any other species of small animal, such as a pet cat, or chickens. Our view is that the authors of the report could not have understood the difference between a coursing dog (live game) and lure coursing (no live game). The sport of lure coursing was developed specifically to provide a safe and humane alternative to the use of live game. We do not understand why our sport has been targeted by the Report. The Commission actually states in its report that it has no evidence that there is live baiting occurring in lure coursing. That is hardly surprising in the circumstances. The Commission did not consult with the DogsNSW Lure Coursing Representative or indeed with anyone involved in lure coursing before making recommendations that are a slur on our many law abiding, companion animal loving participants. If implemented it is likely that the Recommendations would destroy our sport. I also think it is highly unlikely that lure coursing will be allowed to continue. --Lhok

I guess it is easier just to straight up ban it all. --Lhok

Looks like lure coursing is caught up in the ban too. The NSW Lure Coursing Association is shocked and disappointed by recommendations on lure coursing made in The Report of the Special Commission of Inquiry into the Greyhound Racing Industry in NSW. The recommendations, if implemented, would make the sport of lure coursing unviable by forcing anyone considering the sport to have to choose between the pets in their home. Lure coursing is a purely amateur sport for pet dogs. Both pedigree and mixed breed dogs participate in lure coursing. There is no betting and no prize money for participants. Our dogs chase plastic bags around a string course that runs on pulleys. Dogs who do not chase the bag are not euthanased, they are pets first. The practical impact of two of the Report’s Recommendations is that a pet dog owner who participates in lure coursing would be guilty of a criminal offence if their dog shared its home with any other species of small animal, such as a pet cat, or chickens. Our view is that the authors of the report could not have understood the difference between a coursing dog (live game) and lure coursing (no live game). The sport of lure coursing was developed specifically to provide a safe and humane alternative to the use of live game. We do not understand why our sport has been targeted by the Report. The Commission actually states in its report that it has no evidence that there is live baiting occurring in lure coursing. That is hardly surprising in the circumstances. The Commission did not consult with the DogsNSW Lure Coursing Representative or indeed with anyone involved in lure coursing before making recommendations that are a slur on our many law abiding, companion animal loving participants. If implemented it is likely that the Recommendations would destroy our sport. --Lhok

Stuff like this from the Animals Australia facebook page, The last quote says it all really. "Now Mr Baird has no option than to Ban Pet Ownership as well. With Puppy Farms and the fact that 250000 unwanted pets are put down each year. Pretty much the same reason for banning Greyhounds, just on a far bigger scale." "Great work - now we just need Mike Baird to continue to adopt Animal Justice Party policies, reverse the Ag Gag laws, stop the brumby culls and place a ban on all domestic dog and cat breeding until no shelter animals need to be destroyed." "stop the over breeding of all animals from back street breeders.." "The thing is how many dogs and cats are put down in the pounds each year,nobody cares" "Dogs and cats are bred for the pet industry. When they get too big or dig up the yard or the child grows tied of them they are abandoned, and unless rehoused are put down. I just would like too know how the pet industry stacks up to the greyhound industry." "its exactly the same issue just a different industry." (Had to take the names out for privacy) "yep. So go tackle the shelters. These guys are working on the greyhound industry for now. They cant do everything! Just be happy there is progress in this field. But yes please go do something for the shelters. Pitch in. Good on you. Thanks" "I'm not saying two wrongs make a right at all. If you ban the greyhound industry on the grounds of cruelty that has been highlighted then you must also ban the pet industry." "It's people doing the wrong thing that is the problem, both with greyhounds and pets. So you must ban both to solve the issues. Otherwise it's just plain Hypocrisy." "There are a lot of organisations campaigning to stop puppy farms because they are doing some awful things also. I personally think it should be illegal to own and breed an undesexed dog and only registered breeders with strict limits and welfare rules should be allowed to breed.Fingers crossed that is the next step governments will take." "it's good to see so many in support of Banning Pet ownership. It's the only way to stop the cruelty." --Lhok

And the same can be said and is being said about the pet industry. People have been asking to have breeding banned due to the shelters putting down dogs. So would you also be happy to see pets go to? --Lhok

I think it is because they list themselves as not operating in NSW and then saying they provide a mobile service in Alfredtown which is in NSW. That to me is kinda dodgy. --Lhok

That video is interesting. Seems like from the Thoroughbred breeders point of view the government believes they are also responsible for all unregistered thoroughbred horses much like many believe that the state bodies like Dogs Vic etc are responsible for all "registered" dog breeders. Also pretty shonky of the government to hold onto the fact that the dogs were going to go in 2 months (from that video) and nothing was said until after the election. --Lhok

If you scroll through various comments on social media there are calls for the breeding of dogs to be banned due to the amount of dogs being killed in shelters. --Lhok

I haven't looked at the Akita any more than its size and lifespan. I'll be sure to give it a look, thanks. Both the American and the Japanese Akitas have multiple health issues from various auto immune diseases to ACL repairs. They also have a lifespan of 10-13 years. If you are going to look further into Akitas beware they can be dog aggressive and they also won't back down if an arguement was to escalate another thing to note they will become pushy around the 18month mark and how your already established dog will handle it. Also if you are looking for a dog that will be obedient all the time the Akita isn't for you as they run on Akita time. --Lhok

Yep. Indicative of the level of knowledge that's driving much of the current discussion. God forbid what is going to happen the dogs placed with inexperienced rescues who think they are just big spindly generic dogs. The idea that Greyhounds are sleepy couch potatoes that require no effort from an owner does the dogs a considerable disservice - especially the young ones. I know owners who will PTS their dogs rather than have them in the wrong homes. Chained to a kennel and used for pigging or left uncoated and ignored in back yards? I'd PTS too. I predict a rise in the abuse of greyhounds. It will move from the racing to the pet environment. A tragedy for the breed. But people on this forum push the adoption of greyhounds on the grounds they are the dog for the lazy person, that they're couch potatoes that only need a 20 minute walk each day. Not just people on this forum but also the RSPCA likes to suggest the same. From the NSW RSPCA website Do Greyhounds make good pets? Greyhounds make incredible pets. They are friendly and gentle, intelligent and quiet, and have so much love to give. Contrary to what many people think, they are real couch potatoes, and make for great inside dogs, as they love to curl up, sit back and take in everything going on around them. Despite their fit appearance, Greyhounds are not excessively active dogs. As with most dogs, they need a walk or two each day. Greyhounds also don’t bark much, making them a great option for suburban living. Find out more about why Greyhounds make great pets by clicking here. If you’re already convinced, you can look at the Greyhounds RSPCA NSW has available for adoption by clicking here. --Lhok

(this is from the govt site) Do they own Wentworth Park and places like that? I'm not sure what their actual property assets are. It will all become crown land? Sorry for the questions, I don't really understand the land thing and if it will be turned over to developers straight away. My understanding is that the track was leased land from the state government so with the ban the lease becomes invalid as greyhound racing is illegal and the land is basically under government control. whether or not this I'm not sure but it is my opinion on it. --Lhok

Looks like breeding greyhounds for racing is going to be illegal in NSW, I wonder how they are going to police that? Nothing I can find about the ban on the presence of greyhounds except for the article I linked earlier so I guess jury is still out on it for now. Call me cynical, however I still can't see a future for racing greys in NSW. --Lhok

Won't be any greyhounds allowed in NSW if this is the case --Lhok

Not just the ACT looks like "the breeding, racing and presence of Greyhounds in NSW" is to be banned. Sad day indeed. --Lhok