SkyesongTollrz

http://www.scallywagsdogtraining.com.au/

God I'm getting sick of the advertising for dog food on all these threads. She asked for a hot spot remedy, not advertising for dog food.

Sorry to break up this little love fest, but I've just gone and looked at the website for this "natural" dog food. As an example, one product lists the ingredients as: Pork Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Brown Rice, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Air-Dried Peas, Dried Carrots, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Dehydrated Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes (sequestered) of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus, Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and Aspergillus niger. Excuse me???? Why the heck would you want a product that's top five ingredients are "Pork Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Brown Rice, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal". Since when do dogs need to eat a diet of primarily grains, with a little bit of "meal" included. Oh and then let's throw in a bit of chicken fat for good measure. But not just any chicken fat! PRESERVED chicken fat. Woohoo! Oh just went and looked at the "giant breed puppy" forumala. It's been tested apparently. "Ours is the only brand test-fed on eight litters of Great Dane puppies (1990). There were no reported problems. We tested again in 2002; again no problems. " Well how very scientific, must have taken someone with a high school diploma to conduct that level of research! It gets better! The holistic chicken is "raised by Amish and Mennonite farmers". Then we cook it mix in lots of preservatives, put it on a ship for several months to get it to Australia, then put it in a shop! It's so natural! So please explain Amba, since you're obviously an expert in canine nutrition, why a dog should eat this product to be healthy?

Can I get that laminated? Cause I don't have cable television anymore. If you told the truth in your posts, if you didn't try and pretend that you are someone you aren't, if you don't try and pretend that reading a couple of websites makes you an expert, and if you stop ramming your dogma down people's throats, then we would get along just fine.

I'm going to assume you're talking to me, despite your typographical issues. Oh yes, what a perfect prey model diet. Geez, stop dreaming! You're using a modified BARF, NOT a prey model diet. Oh for god's sake, stop pretending to feed a prey model diet. If you buy a sheep, toss it into the backyard and let your dogs eat it, then you're feeding a prey model diet. But grinding and mincing meat, and juicing up vegetables IS NOT A PREY MODEL DIET! Oh yeah, and feeding your dog kibble for breakfast.... that's pretty much stuffed the prey model diet concept too! FFS, how hard is it for you to understand. To take it to the simplest point...... if you're feeding plant matter, it's not a bloody prey model diet! As I've stated, I don't care what your feed your dogs, but I do care when you pretend to be this enlightened prey model feeder, when you're anything but. Feeding three dogs raw food for a few years doesn't make you an expert, especially since you're also feeding kibble, and therefore I don't believe you are qualified to respond about true prey model feeding. One ore two may value what you have to say, but the rest of us are sick of hearing from you. Wow goodie for you. What do you want, a medal? Violins? If that's what it take to make you happy, you keep living in your own little world, ignorant to what most people really think of your "advice".

No, but then again I also don't walk around telling everyone that I feed a prey model diet to my dogs. They get all raw food, and I use a bit of cheese or kabana for training treats, because I'm not walking around with raw liver in my pocket. So I I feed modified raw. And I'm honest about it. I don't allow kibble in my house, and wouldn't feed it to my dogs under any circumstances, regardless of brand. If you were really such an obsessive raw feeder, you would find alternatives for your morning, rather than using kibble. I don't care what you feed, but call it what it is. Highly knowledgable are the people that have intensively studied this type of feeding, not anecdotal evidence over a few years based on feeding a few dogs BARF, with a little bit of kibble. ;) Oh and good on your for feeding BARF for four years. I've been feeding raw for a hell of a lot longer than that. Excuse me if I don't believe you to be an expert on the subject. If you did have an in depth knowledge of the subject, you would also know that there is a hell of a big difference between raw and BARF. Your're an expert in everything, and a master of none, and people are getting sick of tired of having your theories forced down their throats. *That's* why I think you're doing such a poor job. Do as I say, not as I do. Pah!

Hi Kyla! Can't wait until you become a "real" vet! When you start practicing, do let us know! I'm sure you'll have quite a few clients happy to have a raw food friendly vet! :D

It's modified BARF, or modified raw, whichever you prefer. But it's NOT prey model, no matter how much you try and claim it is. Quite honestly I don't give a toss what you feed, but don't try and make yourself out to be some kind of highly knowledgable, enlightened raw feeder when you still give your dogs kibble.

Actually, in true prey model feeding, she certainly wouldn't be feeding the juiced up vegetables and fruit. It's nothing more than a modified BARF diet.

I fail to see how you can call this a prey model diet. A prey model diet would be throwing a sheep into your backyard and letting the dogs go for it. When that's done, you throw out another carcass. You may be feeding a partially raw diet, but it's certainly not prey model.

Obedience Dog Club of Brisbane train at Oxley, and Metroplitan train at Chermside, so there's a fair difference between them. Let us know which one you are closest to.

>>she seems to have a kind of eczema (looks like mine!) il take her to the vet for a fresh opinion about wot to feed her, << Many dogs have allergies to dry food products. I would suggest switching her to a raw food diet, and removing the dry, processed food from her diet altogether. Aside from the other health benefits, most dogs, once the grain in their diet is removed, show huge improvements on a raw food diet. >>can anyone vouch for the kibble that actuually ses its Allergy prone dogs specific?<< No. All kibble is a processed item. Dogs were born to eat raw bones and meat..... not small pellets of processed food remains.

How can anything cooked and processed be considered natural for a dog's diet????

I use the terracotta bowls all around my place. They keep the water lovely and cool, and don't tip over. I still get the algae, but just give it a good scrub out each afternoon when I'm picking up the yards. It only takes a minute, and never really gets a chance to build up. I might try the apple cider vinegar in the water too.

>>I've had plenty of first bars down too, for exactly the reasons you said..and a few others. << Another big reason for dogs pulling the first bar is handlers setting their dogs up too close to the first bar for the lead out. Allowing the dog several good paces before they are required to take the first jump can usually solve this problem. >>Another question for everyone...what do you do if your dog pulls a bar? Do you bring it to their attention, or ignore it?<< With my dog, I ignore it, and then try and work out what I did that caused her to pull a bar. Was my signal too late? too early? wrong angle? wrong cues? too close? too far away? If your dog has learnt the foundations of jumping at an early age, and has been taught a good jumping style, then most knocked bars can usually be blamed on the handler, not the dog. >>Re the last jump. I wonder if there is also an effect of not having a further focus for the dog - << I teach 'push out' as a command. It means keep jumping straight ahead. I only ever use it at the end of a run, when we have a long straight run to the finish. It's not hard to teach (anyone who has done flyball could teach their dogs in about 2 minutes), and means that the dog has a clear directional command. Distance handling is a big part of this and something everyone should be striving for with their dogs (but is a whole other subject which would be a much much longer thread!).

At the moment they get bathed in my friends hydrobath, but once I move house I'm buying my own. I'm getting a Fidos one, they're excellent, and because they are made right here they will customise it how I want it. They're after sales service is excellent too. I have taken dogs into the shower, especially when I go away for dog shows and have to give them a wash! It's hilarious!

Don't feed chicken ... the bones will splinter Don't feed kibble ... it's not healthy Don't feed pork ... it has bacteria Don't feed bones ... your dog will choke Don't feed mince ... dogs need to eat bones Don't feed vegetables ... dogs are carnivores Don't Don't Don't Don't Don't!!!!! If we listen to everything that is said our dogs would never eat. It is up to you to make the responsible decisions for your dog. If you try rawhide and your dog has no problems, then go for it. If your dog tries to swallow it whole, then perhaps you should avoid it.

Jed, Excellent post! ;)

And you got advice from people who have been studying canine nutrition a lot longer than you, that have raised multiple litters, have competed at the top levels of their sports, and have owned dogs a far lot longer than you. That was the advice that you got. If you wanted a pat on the back then this isn't the website for you. By your own words: "Never owned a GSD before in my life, in fact I've only ever had one dog and that is the 5 and a half month old puppy I have now.", "previous experience=none." So you want "ADVICE"? Cruel? Mean? Unnatural? Depriving? Neglectful? Yes I do think forcing a dog into a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle is all of the above. A natural diet based on raw meaty bones is my best advice for feeding your dog.

Now my dogs disagree with that! Of course they go through drive through!! A Maccas junior burger is the reward for a qualifier after a trial. A title is a Big Mac. ;) And if we don't stop, you can bet I get punished! :protest:

Well why even bother asking for opinions if you have no intention of even considering them? You obviously have your mind made up, and the information from experienced people holds no weight for you.

>>>If you don't care about the suffering and killing of farm animals than you won't be able to comprehend my way of thought. <<< But does your dog? You are forcing your views onto your animal, who don't have the same sort of value structure that you do. I don't appreciate being told that I don't care about the suffering of animals when it just isn't true. My dogs are fed a raw natural diet. just as nature intended them to eat. Dogs eat meat. Horses eat grass. Lions eat meat. Sharks eat fish. You can't change those very simple facts of nature. Sure a dog might survive on a vegetarian diet, but I think that forcing them to do so because of your own opinions about the meat industry is unfair to the dog. If you feel that strongly, perhaps a dog isn't the right pet for you.

Dogs are not human, and we shouldn't be forcing our principles onto them. Dogs are meat eaters and should be fed that way. Doing otherwise is unfair to an animal that is born to tear and chew at meat. Yes I know they can survive on a vegetarian diet, but is it really fair to them to expect them to do so?

<quote>I agree with what you are saying SkyesongTollrz, although i do beleive they know what they have done, well i know millie defiantely does.<quote> No they do not. Dogs do not understand human language (although they recognise commands) nor do they have the same sort of reasoning that humans have. You can't tell a dog that you are angry with them for something they did hours ago. They will flat out not understand. Yes millie may cower and look repentent, but that's only because she's getting in trouble and she knows your tone of voice. She doesn't know what it is for. A trainer once told me that if your dog chews something you should take a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head saying "bad owner, bad owner" because it was your fault that you left if where they they chew it.

<quote>she realises to eat it is when we are giving them food from our plate and Jess see's millie keeps getting more food cause she ate the 1st one, then jess will eat hers because she knows another bit is on the way <quote> Stop... NOW! Dogs eat from dog bowls on the floor. Humans eat from plates. If you must give them leftovers, put it into a dog bowl and place it where they normally eat. I would suggest that you join your local obedience club and attend classes with your dogs. They can give you good advice face to face on how to deal with these problems.