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Hi, been a member for a while but don't post cos nothing to say, and I'm not a breader, but I can vouch for EIS/CS (colloidal silver) eliminating ear infection in dog. Daughter has golden lab which was diagnosed some time ago with a bacterial inner ear infection (confirmed by vet with swab taken while dog was under anaethesia {sp?}). After numerous vet treatments failed I made a batch of EIS/CS, filled a small syringe and squirted the solution directly into the ear of the dog. Infection was gone in 24 hours. I informed the vet of my treatment, didn't expect him to be very interested...and I was right, I have since given daughter a generator so she can make her own EIS/CS whenever it's needed. I've used it countless times for open wounds on cats also, rather tricky as cats aren't as cooperative as dogs. The dog continued to shake it's head for a short while from habit due to prolonged failing vet treatments, but quickly got over the habit and was fine. Dunno if this information is of any use but I CAN vouch for EIS/CS for ear infections in dogs, well I can with THIS dog anyway. OK, I'll back out now and leave this 'testimonial?' with you.

Morgan, I certainly won't interfere with whatever anyone else has advised as I don't do advice, all I am prepared to do is pass on any info I may have that others may not know already. Personal experiences I can cite, and of course personal opinions I may express, (if I choose to express them). Oh, and all my research is related to human consumption as well, I only use my own judgement when it comes to our own animals. It's the material I have aquired, and may cite, which will be right, or wrong, as the case may be, I have no advice to give to anyone. My main concern when I hear about dosage, whether it be human or animal, (CS does not discriminate between the two), is because when I initially started taking CS, I did not follow my own researched advice and suffered the conseqences as my liver and kidneys could attest to. I don't know anything about animal ailments either. OK, now I've cleared that up I can get back to some light hearted discussion. From what you say regarding the 15ml and the litre business, (the litreage I am not concerned with so much as the ppm), if you are talking 12ppm in 15ml doses 4 times a day I would consider this to be a low maintenance program and could be done...forever.[my opinion]. In fact for a horse the 20ppm would probably be more beneficial, perhaps even higher, I don't know.[my opinion]. I take 5-10ppm daily and I'm certainly not the size of a horse! Have you thought about making less quantity but higher ppm? You would need to work out if thats possible for you to do. You may like to do some research on 'Particle Surface Area' as this will explain that it is not the volume of solution but the ppm of silver content IN that solution which is important to know. I have purposely made CS using rainwater to get a 40 plus ppm, (only takes 3 minutes, and I have had that analysed), so that it can get stuck into a particular health issue at the time...Ill anyway, (family member with shingles), so kidneys and liver just had to deal with it. Of course, life threatening issues are a different matter and I won't pass any opinion on that for obvious reasons. It is really all about how much the liver and kidneys can tolerate. CS works fairly quickly when it gets into the blood stream, the load put upon the kidneys and liver, relating to amount of toxins they are trying to clean out of the blood, is dependant upon the ppm being administered. Type and severity of illness is the dictator of ppm. [my opinion] Don't know anything about 'gel', but I feel I should pass the following on to you in case you may not know already...I don't know if 'gel' is the same thing as 'protein', (no research done, and no need to), but what material I have seen states that bacteria can actually live in the protein which surrounds the silver, which is pretty much counter productive!! (remember, I can only speak of 'protein' here, I don't know if 'gel' is the same thing).

May I repeat my question? I don't see an answer. If you consider 12ppm to be a relatively high dose of CS, what would you consider to be a moderate CS ppm as an initial dose. I would have thought that 12ppm is a low dose. My osteosarcoma dog weighs in at 47.6kg. Another thing that puzzles me is that surely the quantity given must be relative to what is consider to be a high does...or not. As in a teaspoon of 30ppm would be an infinitely lower dose than a 500ml of 12ppm. Not only that but the weight of the animal must surely come into the equation. QUOTE: "I would consider 1 teaspoon a low dose as well. I had no way of knowing what quantity you were using that's all." RE: Dosage...I believe I was in agreeance with you on that with the above quote from my last response. QUOTE: "I, personally, err on the side of caution and consider the use of CS in high concentration be commensurate with the body weight" RE: Body weight...I believe I was in agreeance with you on this as well with the above quote from the same response. To date I think I have agreed with you on all counts. Now we come to the complicated part...30ppm on a teaspoon as opposed to 12ppm in 500ml. 'Particle Surface Area' needs to be understood and I don't particularly want to go there due to it's complexity, but you have, in a manner of speaking, asked the question so I will do my best to answer the best way I can. Particle Surface Area is the total area that the microscopic sized particles of silver, (NOT THE SOLUTION THE PARTICLES ARE IN, ie; THE WATER), would cover. For example, if one could spread those microscopic sized particles of silver, (remember, ONLY THE PARTICLES of silver, not the water the silver is in), of the 30ppm sample, on a football field lets say, and do the same on another field with the 12ppm you should get the idea of how much MORE of the 30ppm field will be covered than the 12ppm field. I hope you understand the picture I am trying to give here, as it's the ppm of silver particles which determines the efficacy of the silver particles to do their job when in the blood. From this you should get the idea that the 30ppm is much stronger than the 12ppm. Personally, (remember this forum is for people to air their views and discuss these points), I would probably be using the 12ppm on the teaspoon and the 30ppm in 500ml, (and stretch the 500ml out over the day), because, as I stated in my last response, if the kidneys and liver are battling to keep the blood clean already, the last thing they need is a sudden hit of toxins as it tries to cleanse the blood which is possibly already full of toxins. This is the way I would go but ultimately it's up to the individual to decide. If your oncologist is familiar with this, run it by her for correction and let me know. This is why I err on the side of caution, and this is the thing, more opinions need to be expressed so that they can all be weighed up by other individuals. Electro-Ionic Colloidal Silver has the potential to be a powerful antibiotic, but it also has the potential to make one feel decidedly unwell for a period of time. I am sorry if the brain hurts with all this but CS is not the exact science that people, such as you and me who are trying to get a better understanding of CS, and the use thereof, as we would like it to be. I have yet to find a source which contains recommended dosage charts passed by the medical authorities, the best information we are going to get, at this point in time, is from each other. Forums such as this is a good place to learn and make our own judgements based on the information people voluntarily give whether it be right or wrong. I'm no different to anyone else regarding being wrong about something, if I am wrong, point it out, and then I have learnt something more. I repeat, I can only pass on information I have obtained to those of us who may not already have it. I have no desire to poison myself or my family or their pets. I wish you well with your dog and sincerely hope the issue can be overcome.

I have considered using a home water distiller but as I have not researched power consumption and costs yet I am leaving that to a later date. As for tap water, whether it be from Sydney or Timbucktoo........well what can I say, as there is nothing to say regarding tap water, other than DON'T TOUCH IT where EICS is concerned as God knows what concoction one would finish up producing, let alone ingesting it! Now...As for the rainwater, I only tested the water, (laboratory test), for the silver content so I knew what ppm I was producing. I possibly could still be waiting for the results if I wanted to know what Total Dissolved Solids were in it. I only use this water to get a quick ingestion of high ppm for immediate treatment ie; externally on open wound, or internally for an infection where I consider a dose of high ppm is appropriate for quicker short term treatment. I have tried to test rainwater myself but found it impossible as the ppm actually reduces as CS is produced. I have had the reason for this explained, but is rather involved, so I won't go into it here as it involves chemistry and that is a little out of my league. The only way would be via a laboratory, and I don't want to stretch a friendship, if you get my drift. OK, secondly, forget about the 'blue', it simply will not happen due to the way in which CS is produced today. This can be explained but again it requires considerable writing space. Having said that though, of course if one were to ingest a high ppm solution, and I am talking HIGH ppm and probably litres a day here, over a very extended period of time, then I guess anything is possible, who knows, all I know is I won't do it, (high intake of alcohol causes numerous issues, both short term and long term, as a simple example). Information available regarding the method of producing CS by electolysis today, coupled with the common sense one should adopt for anything one ingests, insists that turning blue is simply an outrageous concept, and I agree with that, having read up a little on how it was produced years ago. I've been ingesting it for roughly 3 years now, and as I stated earlier, the last time I looked in the mirror I didn't see any 'blue'. Thirdly, Horses.......Well, again I am only an everyday Joe Bloggs who uses CS within his own family circle, and pets, so what can I say about horses...nothing, however, I personally make a judgement according to body weight, and horses are considerably heavier than I am so the amount you used could quite possibly be a low dose for the size of the animal. I am not an animal expert. I only appeared here because of an enquiry from a member regarding EICS and I could give a personal account of an animal in our family. Finally, (and I am going to keep the personal risk mimimal here), Vets, (and other professionals I need to add).........That's a bit trickier so I may just plead the fifth amendment and leave that one alone. What I will say though is....Professionals may be amazed, surprised, blown away, curious of a miraculous recovery etc, etc.... but what follows after these reactions, and they are witnesses to these recoveries??

To conclude, it is only by people discussing the pros and cons, and citing personal applications and uses of CS in humans and animals, that successes or failures can be noted and passed on for the betterment of all concerned. Unless large sums of monies are made available for more scientific research to be done, to follow on from past research, we will be forever to-ing and fro-ing, experimenting, trialing, doubting or otherwise, and argueing on the benefits and/or risks associated with CS. I am satisfied with the research I have done to date.

Ino, I'm unsure if your questions are directed at me? If so, the automatic generator switches off at 12 or 14 ppm, depending on the size of the container of water. I am able to boost it to 30+ ppm. I normally use it at about 20ppm. Since I am starting after a hiatus of 2 months I will begin at 12ppm and increase the ppm of the next batch to 20+ ppm. The generator has a thermal stirrer. The water I use is Nobles Pureau which contains no salt, bacteria, cholorine or mercury. There is no open wound. The gum tumour develops a small haematoma which erupts, disappears and redevelops. I don't interfere with this tumour in any way. There is a WARNING that came with this generator:- Do not drink large quantities of colloidal silver that has been made with impure water or tap water. Argyria has been know to occur when people have consumed large quantities of poor quality colloidal silver over a long period. Sorry about that, forum learning curve. Sounds like you probably have done as much research as I have so I may be repeating what you may already know. By the way, I have no qualifications so don't misinterpret anything I say as advice, and of course tell me to mind my own business if necessary. I can only be guided by my own usage within our family circle, including animals, guided by research I have done. Does your specialist know the treatment you are giving? The reason I ask is because of the relatively high ppm for initial dosage. The dog doesn't appear a tad poorly after a couple of days does it? You haven't observed diarrhoea at all? If this is the dosage you initially started with then OK. You probably know that rapid ingestion of high ppm CS can cause some side effects due to overload of the body with toxins while trying to eliminate same, via kidneys and liver, in the initial stages of treatment if using high ppm, (just trying to establish if we both know the same thing). It may still be worth considering spraying, or using an eye dropper, or applying in some way of the 30ppm, or even higher ppm, directly on the site when it erupts, and doing it as regular as possible. Is eruption normal in these circumstances or has it started since using CS? If it has only started since CS treatment then I would definitely be getting some on the site immediately it erupts. I have used 40ppm using rainwater, ( Yes, I know what you are thinking but I won't go into that here), in the past to kill bacterial ear infection in dog. I used the same ppm on another animals leg and eye area, on open wounds. I did this to get CS directly into the area where it could work immediately and kept doing it until I could see obvious signs of recovery. I certainly would not contemplate the animal ingesting this ppm, or myself for that matter, but that is my judgement. By applying it directly to an opening allows the CS to get right to the source while keeping it localized without excessive ingestion. If you are in communication with specialist and he is receptive or familiar with CS you could run it by him. If not, then you will need to use your own judgement on that, but it certainly would not hurt, besides, you would not be able to get all that much there anyway which is why it would need to be repeated as often as possible. Researched material I have suggests CS can be injected directly into tumours also. Maybe you could run that past him as well. I have used Nobles, but can't recall if it was Pureau though, and found when I tested with TDS meter, (Yes, I know there are arguements regarding TDS meters as well), the meter read 3ppm straight out of the bottle, (mayber there are different Nobles, I don't know). I have also used pure water from pharmacist and got the same reading so I now use 'EL CHEAPO' distilled water which, coincidently, gives the same reading of 3ppm straight out of the bottle. I just do the calculation at the end of production.

Now there is an open wound it may be worth considering applying CS directly to the site, by spray or swab or whatever means available, and do this for a period of time as this may be a good opportunity to attack on 2 fronts. Suggest some research be done regarding injecting CS directly into tumour as well. Perhaps you would be willing to state PPM and type of water you are using? I only ask as I document all treatments I use within our family and pets for future reference so that when I am gone there will be at least some factual documentation for my future generations to go by. I have done, and am still doing, endless research trying to find adequate and responsible information regarding this subject. I am not a University statistician but the only way to get accurate information is to document personal experience. I am not insensitive or opportunistic but peoples fears regarding EICS will NOT diminish unless records are kept which can be passed on as a reference guide. If appropriate authorities won't do then who will. Medicine has a long history of successes and failures both for the 2 legged and 4 legged variety. There is no fear of shame in failure if we have given something our best shot, it's how we learn as a species. As stated earlier, I have used EICS within the family long before using it on animals which is why I find it curious that experts and authourities don't hesitate to suggest it for use on plants and animals but not for human consumption!! Frankly, I don't see there is all that much difference between animal and human, if you understand the point I am trying to make here. Research and records are the key.

This is what everyone needs to hear more of...Intelligent, educated, informed and independantly assessed evaluations! I thank you for that. We used it, (and still are), long before using it on animals, and the last time I looked, I am not blue, and neither are both our daughters dog and cats. 'Research' is the key word, and a lot of it. In conclusion to the aforesaid article regarding our daughters Labrador ear infection, I made a point of informing the Vet of my method of fixing the problem, and although he seemed receptive to my input at the time, I have little doubt that when I left the room every word would have been discarded...But I will wait and see if he remembers our conversation the next time my daughter takes the dog in for its jabs...He may surprise me, but I am not overly confident!.

Yes, I produce and ingest my own, and after more than 5 years of researching, and roughly 3 years using it, not forgetting the aforementioned dog cure, I believe I understand EICS enough to satisfy my own chronic scepticism. I don't put much faith in everything available on the Internet, I probably delve too much into things but I feel the more research I do the better I understand the why's and wherefore's so if someone tells me something I do a LOT of research to satisfy myself of any merit. I don't sell the product so I don't have the need to do any 'selling' so to speak. If I may be so bold I would like to add that most, (if not all), products distributed as Colloidal are more likely to have a higher Ionic content rather than Colloidal content, but having said that, it is still a good product. I would also recommend you stick to the same brand product you use. The brand you use works and you obviously are aware of some of its merits so don't be thrown by any ill-informed debate on the issue. There are no guarantees, miracles or magical solutions but if it works for a particular situation then that is all that matters. What Silver content that is not absorbed into the blood will be passed via urine and stools fairly quickly. If used for external wounds it is worth noting that it will get into the blood stream via that same open wound anyway, which is good. I would not allow my daughter to use it on her dog if I wasn't willing to use it. After all, our animals tend to become extended members of our 'family' so to speak. OK, I should'nt even be on here as I am not a pet owner but as I had a legitimate story to tell regarding EICS, ( Electro-Ionic Colloidal Silver), I took it upon myself to pass it on in case it may be helpful to someone else.

Hi, Well I can give you my result with Electro-Ionic Colloidal Silver used on my daughters Golden Labrador. I am only writing this because I stumbled across this site and have first hand experience with the subject you were asking about. Her pure bread Labrador developed an ear infection some time ago and after several visits to the Vet, and after parting with a considerable amount of money on all sorts of oils, creams potions etc, the Vet took a swab from the inner ear and found that there was a bacterial infection to which he issued more medication. This went on for a couple more weeks, (this whole episode went on for roughly 12 months), until I got fed up with the money my daughter was spending and told her to try Ionic/Colloidal Silver. I am not going into any more detail here regarding this product as there are right and wrong ways to prepare this stuff and numerous variables which need to be understood. I produce EICS for self use, and as I have made these machines for all of my family, I told her to make up a batch, using rain water, ( as I said, there is too much to learn regarding the do's and dont's or right's and wrong's regarding the manufacture of EICS), and by using a syringe give a good squirt in the dogs ear. Now...If you spoke to my daughter she will say that the infection was cured in 24 hours...but I will give the benefit of doubt and say 48 hours. The infection has never returned, however, the dog continued to shake it's head for a couple of months or so, (due to habit I would say), but after that period of time the dog gradually got out of the habit and is fine. What I have written here occurred about 12 months ago now, if not longer. Before anyone attacks me with comments relating to EICS I would like to make a couple of points clear if I may... a) I am not familiar with forums of ANY description, (this is my first time and I don't even know if you will get this), ....b) I don't want to hear of any half baked miracle cures, ....c) I don't want to be told of any information sites available on the Internet regarding EICS, ....d) I don't want you to think I am pushing anything. Do the research and go through the learning curve if you consider there is some validation to EICS. I am only replying here because I know, as my daughter does also, that EICS fixed her dogs ear infection. I have done my own EXHAUSTIVE research on the Internet regarding EICS, (5 years or so), and have my own information. You will need to search long and deep to weed out the multitude of total rubbish information from the miniscule amount of credible information on the Internet. I have also had a Laboratory analysis done on a few samples I have made so that I understand EICS, and part per million, better for my own peace of mind. I am probably more of a sceptic than anyone. If I think something is rubbish I will state as such but if I think it is credible then I will say so as well. I can see that this is an old post but there it is........That's my story, you can decide. I just felt that as you asked the question I would respond. I am not a dog owner as I only ever had mutts through my childhood, but I may pass this site on to my daughter. P.S. I would ask you to excuse my inexperience with this type of communication...