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There is nothing stopping anyone from registering a Trading Name - this is a business name with the Consumer Affairs. So you can register the name XYZ Kennels or whatever and then legally use this name for the purposes of conducting a business - you own the name and how you wish to incorporate this name in your business is perfectly legit. You can also use a trading name even without registering: i.e. XYZ Kelpies..... Something to also consider is that you can register a breed prefix with the ANKC might not prevent someone registering your prefix as a business name. I have my prefix registered thru the breed association but also with Consumer Affairs as a business name - this will offer me some protection, but then even if i found someone using my name it would then be up to me to take legal action. There is a registration cost which is renewable I think every three years.

It is a condition of entry into horse shows/competitions that all animals could be subject to testing. Generally this is more about taking a swab to ensure there is no drugs being used but often it can be used to vet horses for soundness.... In fact for many of the competitions there are regular vet checks throughout the comp before you can move on. These are generally to ensure the horse is not lame nor having trouble breathing or for heart. There is often two and sometimes three vets involved, depending upon the standard. Have judged at many horse comps and it is impossible to have the time to really check each horse, so unless there are very obvious signs it is not up to the judge as the judge is not a vet. However judges can ask an animal to be removed and then a vet can be called. I would expect that at Crufts there was a few Vets on the panel and if dogs did not pass a basic health test, breathing, heart rate, temperature test and soundness in movement the panel would have failed the dog. I doubt very much if they were judging the dog on anything to do with their looks or structure, it would have been purely a health test. The testing is not a 2 minute test, for an accurate test you might require perhaps a 15 minute time slot - if crufts had 5000 dogs that would take over 1,200 HOURS to complete..... who could afford or even find the time. Running a health check on all the winners would be the best option. Im personally glad to see this implimented

There is already a data base thru the current associations. Cost is not the factor.

I see this point, especially after going and watching some of the presentations from the PHD students - results/conclusions being stated but really often the numbers of dogs used in various studies are soooooo limited that they are not a true representation. However this one seems okay, just seems strange that these types of surveys are left to a random online - with an online survey info can be added by anyone.... where there is either minimal or no experience ... Surely there is a way for this info to go to "professionals" i.e. those that advertise in newspapers, have independent websites, advertise in telephones..... Plenty of people have elevated opinion of their status as a dog trainer..... I think what the researcher is trying to find out though is what the trend is, so that is why you want a large pooled number from 'random' online people. Remember that it clearly states, the demographic to which you have to be to complete the survey is to be a 'paid' dog trainer. Now regardless of their qualifications or skill-set - if they are being paid for their skills by clients, then their views into training methods and how to train dogs IMO is valid and worthy of being recorded in the survey :). with the bold statement in mind (taken from the survey aims) I think that the larger 'pool' of trainers, the better the information regarding the training tools and techniques used will benefit the research :). JMO! I agree that these surveys have relevance it just seems a lazy way to chuck an online survey - yes you are meant to be a paid dog trainer - however there is no way of knowing if the responses are from professionals - someone who may have completed a 6 week dog training course and might have had a couple of paid clients from an advert on the community notice board is not a professional. In fact the associations i belong to categorise a professional as having at least 5 years experience in the field and you have to provide information on this and letters of reference. so if The aim of this questionnaire is to understand the training methods that professional dog trainers in Australia routinely use then they should be directing this to the professional dog trainers......... i.e. via those who advertise etc.... fairly easy to pick up a phone directory or even google dog trainers australia and start to build a list..... there are a few associations that already have a list of 'professional' members - these should also be surveyed..... I haven't seen this survey anywhere else! Oh and just for the record i did fill it out...... trouble is they get frustrating cause you do want to add more.....

this thread has probably moved on to breeders rather than just advertising - my view - Lets aim to get pure bred dogs out in the public eye again. That means as breeders we should aim to breed for the following 1. Use good DNA - temperament is set at birth, the environment will develop the behaviour but wont change the temperament so that means knowing that the Dam and Sire are of good character - if you use interstate or overseas sperm you should also do some research to ensure the temperament of the sire is solid. The health checks and DNA testing (even if not perfect) is the best we have available at present to ensure the best chance of good health. 2. Raise the pups to be healthy mentally and physically - ensure that pups have the chance to develop confidence for whatever life they will go to. 3. Find homes where the pups can have the chance to develop and become the dogs you hope for. That means to advertise where the public get to know the options open to them. 4. Breeders should be prepared to talk to potential buyers - use the enquiries as a chance to educate people on the breed traits and perhaps if not suitable for your breed advise the families of other options of pure bred. Personally have no real interest in showing, therefore many of the showies would call me a pet breeder - but it is such fun to raise pups and see them go to homes. however this doesn't mean my breeding (and many other 'so called pet' breeders) aren't as good as what might be in the ring - besides I use the same bloodlines! Perhaps ocassionally someone might get one of my pups and decide to show or compete.......and thats great......... but my first priority is to produce a dog that someone would be proud to walk down the road and sit in a cafe - a dog they enjoy showing off in public. A lovely pure bred dog with great manners - that is out in the public does more to promote pure bred dogs than any show.....

I see this point, especially after going and watching some of the presentations from the PHD students - results/conclusions being stated but really often the numbers of dogs used in various studies are soooooo limited that they are not a true representation. However this one seems okay, just seems strange that these types of surveys are left to a random online - with an online survey info can be added by anyone.... where there is either minimal or no experience ... Surely there is a way for this info to go to "professionals" i.e. those that advertise in newspapers, have independent websites, advertise in telephones..... Plenty of people have elevated opinion of their status as a dog trainer.....

This is a great idea, perhaps we should be pushing the state associations to allow for puppy buyers to provide feedback - The association could send out forms much like car manufacturers do when you get a car - asking for feedback as to the standard of the car dealer as well as for servicing. Even offering the first year free membership of the association to the new puppy buyer as an incentive, thus perhaps increasing membership for the future. Nowdays as membership has to have photo id means that unethical breeders would not be able to put in false forms to stack this system. Feedback ratings could then be given to breeders by the association - general comments from these then because available for the public to view. This would create a positive approach to breeders and Associations can then make recommendations to public - rather than trying to highlight the negatives.

Roger Lavelle in Romsey Victoria has been fully involved with the scheme since the beginning....

see i said you wouldnt like it........

You wont like what i have to say ................. Sorry but both children and dogs have to learn boundaries..... You will no doubt be placing loads of rules and boundaries on your puppy. Your child should accept restraints without it being a drama - toddlers do not need to have full access to everything. There is nothing wrong with teaching a child to have a playground area and this is where he will stay while you have things you need to do. What do you do when you need to go to the toilet, on the phone, have a shower, answer the door. Remember to that perhaps there are areas you wish to keep a child from either for practical reasons or safety.

Read the PETA website, the direction this group of radicals wish to go, they state that NO ONE should ever breed a litter of dogs until there is no dog in a rescue centre....... sheese!!!!! Just imagine a world where this could became law...... in 10-15 years there would be no dogs.......... double sheese!!!!!!! The pedigree dog fraternity need to advertise - in many forms and as often as possible - its not just about selling puppies - it is about getting the world of pure bred dogs back to the public. Once upon a time when a family was spending a day out they might have wandered down to the local park where they would see a dog show in operation. Box Hill, Croydon, Avondale Heights, Whittlesea where many of the burbs I used to trek to. Families would stand and watch the variety of beautiful animals strut their stuff, they could chat to the breeders and learn more about the qualities and pitfalls of their favourites. Many a family would remember these breeds when the time came to choose their next dog. However nowdays most dogs shows are held behind the public arena at KCC park and Bulla (in Victoria anyway) – when does the general public get to see the variety of pure bred. These days I don't show, I don’t have the time nor the inclination - but I do breed - Does this make me any less valid than any other breeder who is breeding for shows? I might be different to the show breeder, but that doesn't mean my dogs cannot go in the ring, but there are so few NEW people who want to show and why would the existing people go outside their own. But I love to raise pups, to build their confidence and then send them out to homes where families have the chance to experience a healthy beautiful dog. We promote our dogs by being out in public with them - markets, expos cafe, beaches demos, we health test including DNA and we run classes for families and every litter end up with a pup or two going locally where we get to watch them grow and develop. So advertise not only your puppies but show your adults in the public arena – educate on the qualities of your breed whenever you get the chance., go to cafes, beaches, take your dogs to visit hostels or just taking your dog to the kids local footy match. You can put a huge banner on your front fence, anything to show how proud you are of your breed.

Regardless of the breed?????? not all that many dogs would take on or do damage to a GSD, especially when backed up by the police... who have training, batons and guns!!! The dog fraternity have to acknowledge that some breeds have more potential for harm than others - to own, breed and sell these breeds has an added responsibility....

How important is it in the showring for correct detention. Should a dog win if missing teeth? If so how many missing is okay? Should a Challenge Cert be awarded? Should correct bite win everytime over bad bite? Do judges really look or know what they are looking for?

OsoSwift, As an owner/operator of a small kennel designed and built ourselves, I shall play devils advocate and give you some things to think of. If you expected to meet most of the needs people are asking for then I hope you have $1,000,000...... have you done any costings.... aircon for kennels...Watering systems...heating in floor etc..... really adds up. Good quality fencing costs a fortune, bigger runs cost more..... If you take into account that fencing can be $60 per metre then a good size pen has an inside area of 2mx2m and outside area of 2mx8m is costing over $1,000 for the outside area without adding flooring or the cost of the inside area or outside excercise paddocks, landscaping etc. Having a draftperson draw up a design $3,000, approval with council can cost $2,000 plus. Hence why some of the new kennels (such as Hanrob) are using prefabricated concrete factory panels and then they have 4 to 8 sqm size pens with vinyl floors that can be hosed down - they have fancy playground equipment with playground soft flooring which costs an absolute fortune - Huge number of staff to brush and supervise - however these kennels are charging $40-$80 PER DAY..... therefore if a family have two dogs (Which is very common) and are going away for a 10 day holiday the cost can end up around $600 - many families won't pay this. Big elaborate kennels also rely on having large numbers of dogs to help to cover their overheads. Staff numbers can kill your business - Considering man hours to brush poodles every day or walking dogs of leads twice a day to toilet..... if you had 50 dogs you would need 10 min per day per dog and this would take two full time staff 8 hours to achieve....... You need to design your layout to give the least amount of manhours. Often people are sold an the razzle dazzle of what the upmarket kennel is offering, but if you do the math I have to question what they can actually achieve. As an example: I was in Texas at a 4 day conference at a big Upmarket Kennel - I could see the (4 only) exercise paddocks all of the four days - the kennel had over 100 dogs in when we did the tour on the first day but I didnt see ANY DOGS IN ANY PADDOCK AT ANY TIME.... sheese........ my advise (this is what I did) Visit many kennels and look at there setup - go behind the scenes not the public show - determine what you think is important (ie what you would like for your dogs) and viable (costing) - zero in on providing the best you can under this and then market yourr kennel to people who feel the same - you will then build a loyal and happy client base who will love how you operate - you cant please everyone.... I wouldnt brush a poodle every day or even every second day - unless they want to pay and extra $40 a day for the time..... and even then I really don't want to as I am busy looking after all the other dogs - Therefore I dont get those clients who want or expect this service which is fine - just remember to be honest with everyone about what you really offer and you will succeed. Even playing devils advocate, I shall say it is a great business to run but there is much much more to it than playing with dogs...... good luck.

Thanks for further comments. I am going to keep my eye on litter numbers where possible, see if i can get a better idea. Ive had all my breeding dogs tested for NBT (just out of curiosity) The Full tails have come back with Clear, the shorter tails have come back Carrier, the bob tail has also come back as Carrier. None come back as Affected - so until I see paperwork otherwise perhaps I have to conclude that any Affected would not be born. The research I have found from States is unclear as the number of litters used was limited and therefore considered inconclusive. Plus difficult with the States as they dock and there is no way of knowing with most. Same does seem to apply here with not that many doing the NBT DNA. shame really would be good for the long term. Anyone out there wanting to share info I am happy to oblige. Currently looking for a NBT-Clear solid coloured male to put to a NBT Carrier female..... anyone know of a good one.... prefer vic or sa or tas

Three questions, When you say NBT x NBT getting normal sized litters, were they DNA tested as NBT Carrier - otherwise it could just be that some of these dogs were actually tailed dogs who were docked ? For example most of the imports from USA could easily be full tailed dogs - and i do find it somewhat a strange coincidence that soooo many full bob dogs happen to be in the shows....? Is a half tail or 3/4 tail still considered a NBT ? Have you seen any DNA results of a dog showing as NBT Affected ? (I have only seen NBT Carrier, even with a few being dogs with virtually bobs)

Thanks Bob, I understand the ratios - Just wondering if anyone else might be finding they have wondered why they have had smaller litters in some instances. The research that I have found is with very limited numbers of litters and therefore inconclusive. ps: Makes me more inclined to consider using my own full tailed black tri boy back into the program - especially as it seems difficult to find Black Tri Boys let alone any that have full tails (well at least any that admit to it)

Have been reading up on the Natural Bobtail gene (NBT) . My breed is the aussie shepherd but this also can be relevant to other breeds. thought I would post and see if others have any information that might help. Theory is that if the pup in embryo ends up with the NBT gene from both parents (then classed as Affected) then that embryo will not survive and can be reabsorbed by the bitch. Were as the pup in embryo gets only one gene he will be Carrier hence this pup when born will carry the trait and have the shorter or bob tail. If the embryo doesnt receive the gene from either parent then the pup is Clear and born with a full tail. This does seem to hold true as any results I have seen on DNA testing for aussies will show the dogs with shorter tails as Carrier I have never seen any paperwork showing Affected. so this would indicate that dogs Affected are never born. I have a bitch who is NBT and she has had three litters all to males that I assume are also NBT - her litter sizes were 1st =4 2nd=4 3rd=1. These are very small litters and one thing I used to see was lots of Aussie Shepherds seemed to have smallish litters 4-6. However occassionally have seen bigger numbers such as my last litter of 9 puppies but in this case the mother is full tail and father is NBT. My initial conculsion would be to but my NBT bitches only to males who are not - hence to get some better size litters. Anyone else have any ideas.

The reasoning behind having the three vaccinations: Pups are born with Maternal Antibodies (MAB) - this will protect pup in the early stages. Depending on the health and immunity of the bitch and pups will depend upon the timing that the MAB last within the pups system. At some time between 8 weeks and 16 weeks the MAB will drop out, however we dont know unless we titre test the pup and this is expensive. If the pups MAB is still high then the 8 week injection may be counteracted, the same applies to the 12 week injection. This may be the reason that some puppies around 5-6 months or so, have had parvo even tho the owners may have had them vaccinated. In those cases perhaps the MAB was high at the 12 week and rendered the vaccine useless. Research has indicated that by 16 weeks the MAB has gone - (therefore as a precaution) having a vaccination at this point should be pretty definate to provide the pup with the new antibodies to protect against these diseases. Then the recommendation is to have a top up at about 14-16 months and then every three years after. Hope this helps

Opps typo - should show 4 girls and 5 boys 2 Blue Girls, 2 Blue Boys 2 Black Tri Girls 3 Black Tri Boys We are very lucky to have such a good mix of babies.

9 Pups born this morning - Mum and baby doing well.... 2 blue girls 2 black girls 2 blue girls 3 black boys

I had a singleton pup at the beginning of 2011 - we made sure he had contact with different dogs. I took the pup out and about with me to friends houses, especially those that had nice kids or little dogs. The pup was in our loungeroom from birth (as with all pups) and our older dogs would nuzzle and lick him. He had been growing into a huge pup, however once he started to move around more he trimmed off a bit and was looking more normal sized. The big dogs started playing with him when he was about 4 weeks old, rolling him over and encouraging him to jump and climb. He also started to follow me around more which helped his physical development. Dont worry too much, this pup is going on 12 months and is a beauty. Anne

It is all very well to use 'gadgets' to try and stop a dog barking however this doesn't take away the dog's reasons for barking. He might stop barking and instead feel even more nervous and confused. The problem is the home environment not set up to suit that particular dog's personality. Imagine we place a dog in a backyard (doesnt matter how big or small) and he feels he needs to protect his territory, However generally we haven't trained the dog to understand our human rules, he doesnt know he is only meant to bark for a couple of minutes. He hears something on the other side of the fence - he feels the threat so he barks to ward off the possible intrusion into his space - the fact that the intrusion is on the other side of the fence is something the dog doesn't understand. There are many factors that need to be taken into consideration to stop a barker but in general teaching a dog to be more social in different environments will go a long way, the choice of dog is also important and yes, little dogs will often feel more threatened and continue barking. Obedience classes won't help except in the fact that you are getting your dog out and about in the community. Classes provide the training on lead with the owner present, this doesn't help the dog when he is home alone left to guard the territory. We run a boarding kennel (only for 20-30 dogs), often owners will tell us their dog is a" bit of a barker", but even so we can stop the barking without the use of any gadgets, drugs or violence. We set up the environment so the dog can feel safe and relax. We have to handle different dogs in different ways but once they understand the space and the routine, they settle and then enjoy the exercise and interactions. Yes even the little maltesessssssss

Sorry to sound harsh but things I would question...... some red flags are flying..... *Registration papers for parents ! what about your puppy does he have papers, was he vaccinated and microchipped? *Pick up day they drove half the distance.... This is a common occurance with puppy farmers! *Mother died.... probably of snake bite.... ? *6 week checkup they were still within the average weight range..... if pup is soooo small now then no way was this a healthy weight range - I would expect goldies at 6 weeks to be 3-4kg.....??????? *Mum passed away when pups a few weeks old should not affect the pups development if a proper feeding program. Sorry but these are too many red flags for my liking - wouldnt touch this breeder again.

Obviously Terrierman is not a fan of the Kennel Club - seems he has some very definite opinions but are they really of relevance to what the objective of the film is or is there some old wounds. My favorite critisism is that he felt the Kennel Club was an Aryan grouping.....only white people showing dogs? mmmmmmm strange thought Surely this film could be looked as a step forward, at least they are looking at themselves.