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Wrong. That's what AR wants you to think. And you could elucidate the "terrible breeding practices" of which you speak? There is no denying that a small number of breeds are facing large scale health issues or just simple diminished quality of life because of breeding for the extreme. Neo mastiffs are one. Unless the pb world as a whole stops excusing these breeds then yes, you will get an overarching body stepping in and seeing the demise of the purebred dog. If the purebred body publicly accept and actively work towards improving quality of life for these dogs then people won't feel the need to constantly put pressure and impose on the pb fancy. AND they'll stop extrapolating it to all breeds. There has been so much of it in this thread. Denial of any issue in any breeds. That just makes the general public think the rest of you are just as bad otherwise why would you excuse it? Even if it isn't the case, the whole group ends up being put in the basket. Please find and quote where it has been stated that there are no problems. Who has excused bad breeding?...find that and quote it too please. Pointing out that ARE actually good Breeders working very hard to produce healthy sound animals is far from denying that there any problems. The purebreed bodies are actively working on healthy dogs, do they need to take out prime time tv advertising for some of you to get that. From the ANKC website Pretty easy to find, took a lot less time than it would have for someone to troll for footage and images of bad examples and compile them for shock value. Look through threads on forums like this where people ask for advice choosing a breeder, they are advised to look for a Breeder who health tests, generally by other Breeders, does that sound like denial of issues?

Social clubs are recognised by the ANKC, they are not affiliated clubs and do not have to run shows, but they are recognised. There are 10 breed specific social clubs listed in each edition of The Queensland Dog World, all very active promoting breed information etc. Social clubs are not new they have always been around. Some go on to seek affiliation and run shows if there are sufficient breed numbers to do so.

The 'dog world' is not collectively burying their 'head' in the sand. That's a generalization. Just the same as it's a generalization that all pedigree dogs are collectively dodgy. Every time these sort of discussions come up if anyone dares to state that there are actually many good Breeders out there heads down bum up doing what they have always done, which is breeding sound healthy happy dogs, someone has to accuse them of burying their head in the sand. The good Breeders know there are bad Breeders, Breeders on the whole are far more scathing of others doing the wrong thing than outsiders. Some here make it sound as if there is not one sound healthy dog of a Breed in existence. Meanwhile dedicated Breeders are involved in research for DNA tests, financially contributing as well as supplying samples and data, sharing information, publishing test results, expanding on bloodlines by importing animals semen, if that is doing nothing then what the hell are they doing?

It is possible for breed specific clubs to be established as Social clubs and not run shows, many numerically smaller breeds do just that, and have social days, newsletters etc. Politics and personalities come into play wherever there are groups of people it is not restricted to the dog world, it is the nature of the human beast :)

Who is getting hot headed and personal :laugh: Maybe we just simply shouldn't respond then we could be accused of being apathetic instead of concerned and passionate. Of course Breeders will respond I don't understand how anyone can think they wouldn't.

am I missing something ? but why dont you vaccinate every year? especially if your working in a vet environment and fostering dogs, visiting farms etc....also if you dont do it every year then wouldnt the cost be minimal anyway? I work in a Vet environment and with pound/rescue animals and I don't Vaccinate my own dogs annually, I give puppy vaccinations and the 15mo booster, titre test then no vaccinations. There is no need to vaccinate annually, even the AVA and the largest Vets schools in the USA have agreed with this.

Ok, I missed that, sorry, but comments like this don't seem designed to start anything: I'd say perhaps just a rather rash newbie. :) I did the same, came in guns blazing :laugh: But do you not realise that by protesting so vigorously, it appears you are defending/condoning the very few who are not doing the right thing? The video, taken on its own merits, would not convince anyone that all purebred dog breeds are damaged beyond repair. It is actually relatively well balanced, if a little off track in some areas. The average reasonably intelligent person will see this. Those who are more easily led will see what they want to see, regardless, and will take all the outrage as confirmation of guilt across the board. If the purebred dog community acknowledged that not ALL breeders are perfect, but that most of you are doing the right thing, in my opinion it would be a much more effective way of promoting purebreeds. Just my two bobs worth. Calling for a BALANCED view is not defending the bad breeders,If it appears that way to you then maybe you are the one seeing what you want to see. Most complaints made to controlling bodies about bad breeders are made by fellow Breeders. I don't know any Breeder among my circle that thinks we are all perfect, far from it.

Ah, love a good conspiracy theory! Perhaps people lurk here and only feel compelled to join when the urge to contribute becomes too strong, such as in a topical and emotive thread like this one! That's because nobody has a problem with the average traits, only the ones so extreme they have become ridiculous. I do wonder why everyone here gets so upset by these videos/threads that do not target your kennel, or even most of the time your breed. There are a whole lot of breeds that were not singled out, and some were praised. All the representative breeders involved in these should give yourselves a congratulatory pat on the back for having the dogs' best interests at heart and staying true to the standard. In regards to coat, even I can see the hairspray and combing involved in the 'modern coats' in the video. I went to a couple of shows to see the danes and remember watching with some amusement the poodle people next door 'fouffing' their dogs' coats with hairspray and backcombing. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that the 1915 examples weren't clipped and that the full coats of today weren't prevalent back then. I think the biggest mistake in the video was to bother even mentioning coat. Passionate dog people hate to see generalisations that tar a whole population with the same brush and give people the impression that all purebred dog breeds are damaged beyond repair. It is simply untrue.

Show coats are maintained to the nth degree to keep them at their best, if you put the same dog in the field it wouldn't have that same huge glamorous coat.

Have you ever seen a Vet do this? I haven't in all my years in dogs and the Vet industry. I have heard people suggesting that it was happening when Vets were using Parvac 10ml multidose.

Any dog needs training, guidance and commitment no matter where it is sourced. Working out what breed IF ANY suits an individuals situation is so very important, the benefit of buying from a Breeder is that with breeds you have a much better idea of what you are getting and what you need to put in to make the partnership work. Some people are very experienced or are born naturals with dogs and can take on most any dog and make it work, but the general population are not like this and the need to select carefully and really know what they can deal with and be honest about how much they are prepared to do to make it work :)

I do not agree that dogs in the pound are there because THEY failed. The majority are there because of poor choice of animal for purpose. A live wire pup in a home that expects to have a calm companionable animal from day one with little or no effort put in to raising it is a recipe for failure, but it is not the dogs that fail. Some homes are simply not suitable for a dog at all, and that is not the fault of the dog. Inexperienced homes, pups bought on impulse, no understanding of how to raise and train and unreasonable expectations are rife in the stories of pound dogs.

Personally I think you need to have your dog honestly assessed, is he an outstanding dog, we have many many entire male dogs in this country, what does yours have to offer that makes him worthy of passing on his genes above others? We have many nice dogs but far fewer outstanding ones. You may a buy bitch and when she matures find she is totally unsuitable for HIM, that is what Breeding is about matching two suitable individuals with a view to improving what you have. Keeping in mind that every animals brings with it the genes of past generations that we need to have knowledge of as they will strongly influence your result. The only people who can help you there are those with a sound and deep knowledge of the lines involved. Two lovely and compatible looking animals in the flesh may well be a recipe for disaster genetically. If you are serious about breeding mentors in your Breed will be invaluable. Not every nice dog should be used at stud.

Yes, it is just as well they don't have to actually catch their prey to eat, some of them look as if they would have enough trouble eating their food out of a bowl. The furphy about racing greys being sound and fit for purpose because they race is just that, they were never a breed bred for chasing a lure around a circular tack, they had to hunt and what we see today is a far cry from that. The show ring certainly does not have the monopoly on poor breeding practices.

I think it pays to remember that without the "show lines" many of the working breeds would have tiny gene pools and be unsuitable as pets. I appreciate that for some people that doesn't matter but it does to me. You can be passionate about your dog of choice without heaping shit on other people's. Can we just keep bumping this

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I groom a few Maltese from good reg ANKC Breeders, they are true to the Breed being sweet tempered. Far cry from the generic SWF that can be bought on any street corner.

We find Cotex Multi purpose spray works a treat...a light mist over the dogs and horses..we also spray it around the horses shelters and the dogs outside areas.

Because they are dogs, that's why. Apparently it's OK to poison our pets in the name of "prevention", because at the end of the day they are dogs not humans Would you worm youself every month ? Would you put 12 months worth of a chemical into your body in one hit ? Would you use headlice shampoo every week just incase ? Would you vaccinate yourself every year for Polia, Hep B, Chicken Pox etc? But they are preventative methods and don't have a long body life. I don't vacc myself for those diseases because the body produces an immunity to them after 1 dose otherwise yes I probably would. I thought the whole idea was prevention and not waiting for the parasite to hit? I certainly don't want my dogs to get worms so I prevent it rather then wait for an if and when and then treat. If you want to compare humans and dogs there are millions of people who are alive everyday because they take truckloads of chemicals (medications) to keep their illness at bay. Just because its chemical doesn't mean its necessarily evil. I'd rather take the advice of my vet when it comes to my dogs health and wellbeing and they have always advised me to worm, and I've never had any ill effects of over chemicalised or poisened dogs. Wormers are a treatment for an already present worm burden, they are not a preventative. There is no need to give them if your dog does not have worms. Monthly Heartworm treatments kill the already present microfilaria and stop them developing further into the adult worms that cause the damage, in that respect they will prevent Heartworm Disease and can be called preventatives unlike gastrointestinal wormers.

What the Vet does is test the faeces for worm eggs by doing a faecal float using a saturated saline solution to float the worm eggs which can then be seen under the microscope or a faecal smear. They can identify worm burden or parasites such as coccidia using these methods. The type of worms that need to be treated can be identified by their different eggs.

If you have young pups or animals coming in from outside sources then a course of treatment is probably wise, but for a static adult dog population worming only as required is fine :) I worm my cats far more than my dogs as they tend to eat small creepy crawlies, lizards and mice :)

A faecal sample dropped off to your Vet who will be able to tell you if your dog has a worm infestation. If not, no need to dose, if it has then yes you need to treat :)

“Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear.” Edgar Allan Poe I have many interesting conversations with members of the public you learn to nod and smile, also people don't always LISTEN properly to what they are told, they also don't always repeat it word for word. From the Consult room to the reception desk is a couple of metres but in that short space Vets instructions are often totally distorted :laugh:

Each Vaccine manufacturer has a different schedule, the vaccines are all different, Nobivac has an early finish so Yes, it sounds just fine :)

I know a dog that was debarked. The noise she makes is just as loud as a bark but is a horrid high pitched squeal now. It is certainly not preferable to a normal bark. That is also not typical of a dog that has been debarked :)