Partipaws

and the littlest girl (more darker in colour) she my favorite so far

bigger girl (more lighter in colour)

bigger girl (more lighter in colour)

Congratulations to all those who have welcomed puppies into their homes this christmas - RIP to the little ones that did not make it - sorry to hear of your losses BB with the 2 puppies you are blessed with two very lovely remaining puppies - they look wonderful, love the markings and they look oh so healthy.... been without internet for a week so a slowly trying to catch up on everything.... best wishes to those who are still anxiously waiting their litters arrival XOXO! My little Tipsy is being a wonderful first time Mum - she has been so fantastic - the two little ones are thriving so much - first one was born at only 71 grams and the 2nd about 90 grams but they are packing on the weight and by day 3 they were 105 grams and 125 grams - now just on a week they are FAT!!!!!

I think we are all finished - tipsy has settled down and two girls are doing well.... yes its a shame about the other girl, but with all the heartbreak I have had this year, I have really hardened up so I am ok about it - it could have been worse!!! But lucky for me I am very happy with 2 girls as I have never had girls yet - all my other litters were always boys, boys and more boys so its great to even have 1 girl let a lone 2!!! BB - I fed my girl sardines, cheese and yogurt with her normal food and supplemented for calcium and folic acid - vet supplied me with it - not sure what it is called so will let you know if you want as I am going there this afternoon to get a check up done just in case! Having said this it could have been something to do with the bloodlines as Tipsy's litter brother just sired a litter and one pup was born with an exposed brain as well??? what are your thoughts??? I did not do rasberry leaf... was too late in her pregnancy??? I would definitely like to try it next time, would be interesting to see if this helps as poms can be so difficult with whelping...... does this product aid in supplementing as well??? Anyway so far the total count is the 2 girls born on the 8th Will take some pics soon and will be off to the vets soon.....

another girl but not formed right - her insides were hanging out and brain was exposed was not really alive when born but decided it was not worth trying.... RIP little girl not sure if there are any more but we are so thrilled with the 2 healthy happy baby girls we have so far!!!

Congratulations all... well went to work this morning and Tim stayed back to keep an eye on Tipsy.... Temp drop yesterday so knew she was close but just started new job last week so very hard to get time off, luckily tim runs his own business so he could keep an eye on things.... anyway she looked fairly settled this morning when i left so thought maybe tonight, but no I got a phone call just as I was arriving to work LOL - So rushed back - just about caught puppy when I walked in the door!! LOL - delivered first baby in my work clothes...hmmm so far two babies born and 2 girls - one 71 grams and the other 99 grams - very little but very strong and feeding well.... still got contractions now - puppies had 1 1/2 between them so might be a long day.....

CoNgRaTuLaTiOnS Bokezu and Zensu on the arrival of your litters - wow look at all those puppies!!!!

All the best BB! fingers crossed.

Murmastaffs - sorry to hear your news that would be very disappointing for you. Wishing you and your girl best if luck next time and may there be a special puppy waiting for you also...as the saying goes, good come to those who wait! :D

Thank you guys! BB I gathered it was a wee bit late to try it, so will just have to continue on with all the other supplements and be prepared, but now I know where to get it, I will most certainly have it on hand and give it a go next litter as my other girl (due in season early next year) is my problem child and she would be great to try it - so many comment highly on it!!! Thanks again Partipaws some is better than nothing but you should have started at 2 weeks gestation.

My poor baby girl is so FAT!!! poor little thing! only weeks to go I suppose but still I feel so sorry for her Where would I go for rasberry leaf tablets? I have never tried them and considering poms are at the higher end of the scale when it comes to whelping complications and c-section I really am interested in this product - any suggestions or advise would be most appreciated will have to take pictures of my girls belly..... Best wishes to all xxoo

wooo hoo how exciting Trish! Will have fingers, toes, tails and paws crossed that all goes well. Have been meaning to email you - been so busy with things - things have not been the best here, been a really sad year, so hoping this litter will bring happiness and excitement once more! Took tipsy to the vet yesterday for a check up as i was a little worried about her eye - ended up being minor prob, so on some eye ointment which will hopefully do the trick. Tipsy is just on 3 weeks preg I think? But god she is fat and was showing a "baby bump" within the first week. While we were at the vets the vet had a feel as it is too early for scans, but he is most certain she is pregnant, without a doubt - but I will save myself the disappoinent and wait a little longer ....... So hard not to get excited though after hearing that news yesterday....

Thanks BB - you are always a fantastic one for litter threads - always so organised and on the ball - unlike myself

Redkidsmum we meet again :D wow two litters to look forward to - busy festive season for you all the best to you and your girls. xo

Good Luck Partipaws I'm in the same boat with a young import stud and a young girl both maidens......but looks promising atm LOL - I have to say my girl was already showing in the 2nd week! so I have my fingers crossed here Hope she is not following in her mums footsteps - she always shows early because she usually has larger litters - My lil girl came from a litter of 5 which is a very large litter for poms, and mum has also had 7 pups before and even 9 :D but she had the pups 3 weeks early, born with no hair and clearly undeveloped, all did not make it, so think she must have terminated due to over crowding.... a lot of pups for a pom, usually its 1-3 pups.... Anyway all the best to you Bokezu, sounds like you have a very exciting litter to look forward - hope all goes well

We may be expecting a litter of pomeranians due around the 13th of December..... Not sure whether or not she has taken - maiden girl and first time for my import boy too - so it was pretty darn hard for them both to get their act together..... lots of slip matings and had one successful tie that lasted 45 mins - eekk - so hopefully that did the trick - LOL nevertheless we have our fingers crossed for pom puppies around the 13th -this will be our first "solid colour" litter - no parti's this time...

Thanks Ellz - this is what I think they must of meant when they told us that they do not "recognise" these AQIS approved vets in our area. After further investigation with cost etc, we (us the breeders and the buyer) decided it was easier and cheaper to deal directly through Jetpets. I did look into all the requirements for exporting before looking at shipping agents and I just put in the "too hard" basket, so preferred someone who knew what they were doing just does it for me....so it was peace of mind knowing that all the organising, vet check and flights were all organised through one company.

Thanks for the information - I have gone through many an articles myself trying to get to the bottom of it - One thing is for sure, we are not an overcrowded breeder - we only have 5 poms - and live on a large block - however my breeder friend who has had experience with this in her own kennel has said that she had a bitch come from a large scale breeder and her puppies were all infected and infected every other puppy in her kennel - The mother of these puppies, I bought about 6 months ago from a large scale breeder and yes both her puppies turned sick - One was not desexed - but it could have been as simple as upsetting the balance, whether it be new home, a vet consult which stressed the pup etc - its a really unfortunate turn of a events - but I would never have known..... it just feels as though everything I try and do fails miserably for me - My first litter I kept one pup the rest went to pet homes to be desexed - I later find out a registered breeder has got one, she got her friend to buy it so she could use it - yes these sound like pretty bad accusations and yes I have further investigated it with DOGS NSW, but there is nothing they can do until proper proof is given - I have spoken to both owner and breeder and threatened that if I notice any suspicious puppies then I will investigate them - this breeder has done the dirty on many top pom breeders by using their bloodlines through the purchase of a pet, using them to stud and falsify the litter registration documents - yesI know it is very wrong, but the only way I can prove it is once I notice puppies on the ground that may be from my boy - so because of this hard lesson I later investigate a different form of sales contracts so that my puppies do get desexed and later found early desexing to be the only guarantee - I worry far too much about one of my small puppies ending up in a puppy mill or stupid backyard breeder - most of the time it would be that I have too many boys or the girls are too small for breeding - so how then do I guarantee a life for them where their health and well being will not put at risk with breeding??? its a tough one and I guess no way is right - I was just doing what I could to give my puppies a secure future - if they were a bigger breed then I would not be so worried - I investigated the early desexing and spoke to another pom breeder who desexes everything at 8 weeks before they leave her kennel and she has had little problems - we were not so lucky in this instance - we will learn from it - just more another kick in the guts while we are down. About Jetpets it could have been a sales ploy - nevertheless it would have cost a lot more going through a local AQIS approved vet here then going through their vet - the lady who was buying the pup decided to go direct with jetpets - it could have also been something under their contracts that they stick with their own approved vets that way they are not held liable for another outside vet??? not sure - we just followed what we were told, we too had never exported before and yep your absolutely right there, I wont be exporting anymore, not for a pet anyway, I should have gone with my gut and just sold him here, again just trying to keep everyone happy and I get knocked down for it... such is life... Thanks for taking the time in helping me - really appreciate it

thanks to you both for your thoughts - I have had a number of private messages and reponses from other forums - I have made my decision, well actually I think I made my decision even before hearing other peoples responses, but for the element of "knowing better next time" I thought it be worth my while in getting other views on this - just a bit of food for thought I guess. Dancinbcs I hope I have answered everything and cleared up your concerns - I just realised why this might have confused you - If you have sent dogs over to NZ and they were older then you would not have had to do the blood test. I believe it was because the puppy was under 16 weeks that they have to have the blood tests - If I had known about this I would have not gone ahead or held onto pup until he was of an age.

ok - I will try fill you in on all the things we did in order.... puppy received first vaccination at 6 weeks, at 8 weeks he was desexed and given 10 days to heal and have stitches removed - sometime during this period the money came through into my account, but I held off booking flights to allow enough time for puppy to heal and that I felt happy to further pursue the flights. I booked through jetpets and this included everything as personally I just preferred someone else organised it all as I have never exported before. AQIS vet check and blood test was included - I could have used a local AQIS approved vet, but I rang around and they quote $490, and Jetpets did not recognise those vets??? and their vet was $390 included in the costs. They told me the AQUIS health check and blood test for Babesia was to be done 10 days before flying out as this allows time for results to come back and this is normal procedure and a requirement for quarantine/shipping to NZ, another health check to be done when we dropped puppy off for his flights. I just went along with what Jetpets advised, they did everything for me and this was what was required apparently??? Puppy was not sick due to inherit problem, nor from lack of care on my behalf and nor from desexing - just bad luck I think.... there is too large a window period from time of vaccination, from desexing for it to have stemmed from there - We think it could have been campylobacter, where he has got it from I don't think I will ever know - Our vet unfortunately did not treat for it until it was too late - I am still trying to find out as much info as I can on this as I am just overwhelmed by all that has happened at the moment and need to know some answers I guess! The strange thing is that he was unwell a few days after the AQUIS vet check - so it gets me wondering..... I understand where you are coming from, I certainly do not want to scam her for her money, We accepted with out question that the puppy needed treatment and never once did we feel it was her responsibility - She had paid for the pom 3 weeks ago so legally he was hers, but I never questioned our position and responsibility for that puppy while he was in our care - I question the shipping cost though, as if she had organised it it would be out of her pocket and at her loss - The vet check has been paid for and the work done - this being the preparation - Its a really tricky one - hence why I am here asking as I am on both sides??? I really would prefer to be rid of the money and of her after her treating me so badly even though I have been very accommodating - I knew as soon as the puppy passed away that I will need to refund her or offer her a replacement pup - But decided to never offer replacement as I do not have any litters planned for a while, so prefer to refund in full the purchase price....

Thanks Cowanbree - This is the first time I have experienced having to refund - I wish it to be my last but that wont happen if I continue breeding Never mind - if the lady did not come out and attack me over the phone I would have just given her everything back - I did question how much of it I was responsible for but I felt so awful that the puppy passed away - It was not from inherit problems or through lack of care - just a freak illness and one we just can not find the answers to - if it were a different situation like inherit problem that leads back to me as the breeder then sure I will feel a whole lot more responsible!!! Just a shame the lady is acting this way - It has really hurt me and I am already suffering enough as it is for loosing puppy Thanks for finding the time to share your thoughts.

Hello all, The situation goes like this. We had a lady in New Zealand desperately wanting to purchase a black and white parti from us - As we are only been in the breed for 3 years and a very small scale breeder we explained that I could not tell her when one comes available as we really only breed for ourselves for show and breeding and do not breed at all often and that we do not practice waiting lists - after all that she was still pretty persistent about staying in touch for a good long year and called every now and then or email to see what we had planned etc. This year as some of you may know we had our 2nd ever litter born back in July producing 2 male pups, one solid black and one black and white. At 8 weeks of age, we decided we were not going to keep any of the boys as they were not for show and we have to be strict on how many boys we have here!!! Although I was not 100% on exporting my puppies, lets just say it does scare me a bit in send a pup or even an adult on a plane, and it would not be something I would go out and pursue, but as this lady was still looking for a puppy and she only lived in NZ we decided to give her a chance and give her first rights on the puppy. She was happy to go ahead with the purchase of him and I went about getting quotes for her for flights etc - once all done and agreed she transferred the money into my account - purchase price + shipping costs and I booked the flights (I did not add on any money on the flights to cover our costs on driving back and forth to Sydney for AQUIS vet check and then dropping puppy off for the flight - flight was $1070, she transferred $1070 into our account and we sent $1070 to jetpets) Puppy was 10 weeks old by the time of his AQIS vet check - we live in central coast and took work off for the morning to drive puppy all the way down to Mascot Sydney. A few days later puppy came ill and was at the vets. Jetpets contract states that you can receive a full refund minus the $390 AQUIS vet check, if given 7 days notice. When we realised puppy was very very ill we canceled the flights prior to 7 days to get the full refund on the flights for the lady in case things went bad. Puppy passed away at the vets having been there for 4 days. The lady knew he was not well and we kept her well informed - We contacted the lady straight away with the news when puppy passed away. We gave it a few days for ourselves to get over the shock and for her to come to terms with what has happened and contacted her again to work out the refund etc - we have offered to refund the full purchase price, and also the flights. We have the flight money here ready to send, but through our breeder friends have been told that the "shipping costs" is not really our responsibility in terms of making up the $390 for the AQUIS vet check - so we should not need to refund the AQUIS vet check because that is the responsibility of the purchaser - the same as if someone is not happy with a puppy and wants to send it back for a replacement or refund, it is there responsibility to cover those costs??? This is what I have been told by a number of breeders, and although it has not been discussed myself and my partner decided that we would just pay it and cope it as a loss??? - what is everyones thoughts??? Its kinda money we don't have at the moment and we have had a little change of heart given the lady has become really abusive and rude to us??? I know many of you will understand that right now we are just devastated with the loss of the puppy - its been hard enough to call this lady to let her know that her puppy has passed away - we have thousands of dollars in vet bills and admit to dipping into the pups purchase money to try and get to the bottom of his illness and get him well.... We always knew and were prepared to pay the full refund if puppy did not survive - we never ever thought otherwise. The lady has been fantastic during this whole thing and although devastated she was very understanding and said we could pay in installments if we could not find all the money at once. However today I get a phone call from the lady abusing me and being so awful - We spoke to her on Sunday about the refund and got her details to process it - we told her that it was a long weekend here so that will delay it a little as banks wont be open on Monday, but then on tuesday we found out that jetpets had yet to transfer the money over so we had to rush to get all this fixed up - we never gave the lady a date as to when the money was going to go through, nor had she stipulated a timeframe to meet - but she has been so horrible and saying she is so upset with everything and us, that she has got herself all ready for her puppy and paid all this money for her puppy and now it is dead and so on so forth - I am taking a step back and realising she is probably going through a hard time as well with the pups passing, but she never had the puppy so had yet to grow attached as we did, we are at the front of it all!!! sh!t lady, how about you put yourself in my shoes for a minute and see what hell I have been put through - watching puppy suffer and loose the battle, now having to scrape together all this money for the vet bills, the refund - I was there when he was born, As you all would know you put a lot of effort, money and blood sweat and tears into the puppies, you grow attached, lots of sleepless nights etc etc. Sorry...I am so devastated - I am doing all I can to be a good breeder and refunding her all her money, and it never once crossed my mind that I would not give her her money back, its not mine it is hers - I am no scammer, I am a decent honest person!!!! And I was even going to cover things that maybe I shouldn't be??? I am at a huge loss for words for why she is treating us like this... Within the purchase price of the puppy, we have also had him desexed prior to leaving as well - so we have spent a good fortune on the preparation of this puppy. If someone could let me know what is right or wrong about the shipping costs and refund that would be helpful as right now with the whole being treated like sh!t I really don't want to go ahead with covering things that maybe I shouldn't be... Thank you in advance. Jess

Thank you all so very much for all your suggestions!! And very interesting discussions about what people tell their new owners of their puppies about vaccinating - I have only had 2 litters and it was very hard to know how to advise these people especially as the vets would always put a spanner in the works and make me out to be an unethical idiot?!?!? Anyway I am so stupid - I can not believe I forgot all about titre testing - dehhhh :D - that was an easy answer??? here is me worrying about when she had her last vaccination - And sorry I forgot to mention the rest of the story - I bought this girl from another breeder and all I have on record is her puppy vaccinations and I am very silly for leaving it last minute to worry about it - but as some may know I have had some very sad things happen recently - loosing my first bred baby and also busy with a litter - so all this has crept up on me so quickly. I have tried contacting the breeder about what has been done - but can't get through so have her booked in for a titre test to see if she has sufficient enough levels to go through pregnancy and give enough to her pups once born. Anyway for everyones interest I spoke to my vet and he said that out of the 50 odd years he has been practicing he would never vaccinate a girl that is half way through her pregnancy - he has never seen any problems with vaccinating during a season, even upon mating and during the first stages of pregnancy - in fact he mentioned he has a few breeders who actually prefer to have the bitches done while pregnant because they believe it gives a good start to the pups!!! I am just relating what my vet said for your interest - I am not saying that I agree with it as I would still avoid vaccinating during pregnancy as I am so finicky about all those chemicals introduced during such time - I am also very cautious with flea treatment and worming as well and try to avoid those during such time unless we are struggling with the fleas but so far we have had no more flea problems since moving to this new property - I do the 3 month intestinal wormer right before mating which sees my girls through the pregnancy and up until the pups get their first worming - I have had no troubles or worms so far ;) Anyway thank you all so much again Jess

Hello all, what is everyones thoughts on vaccinating while your girl is in season and planned to mate for a litter? I ask because I had this happen 2 years ago and my vet back then suggested against this due to her being in season. Right now I have a girl due in season early next month and her booster is due now so I thought I had time! but over the weekend it appears she is coming in early - she is not swollen or bleeding, but the boys are extremely interested and she has started urinating a lot. I do not practice over vaccinating, I give 1 shot at 6-7 weeks depending on pups size then another at 12 weeks and a booster from around 15 months - I know many breeders practice different methods whether it is 3 shots for life, or once every 3 years, but I just follow what another breeder does? So this girl is yet to have her 3rd shot and my thoughts are that it be good to have it done prior so pups get the immunity. What's everyones thoughts? Should I just wait and vaccinate when pups need their first shots? Do you think there is enough backup from the first two shots? Is there risks with vaccinating close to a season or in season if wanting to have a litter this time? Thank you in advance. Jess