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I looked into the Vetalogica products when I saw them at the chemist and asked my friend about them (she is a vet) but they are not registered with the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority when apparently they should be? That means they are being sold without being tested for safety or effectiveness. Personally I dont trust products like these and I am not going to try them, maybe go for one of the other calming products that have been tested like Behave or Tranquil Paste (both contain tryptophan and are great when used in horses). Like what Chelseas Mum said there are safety concerns with tryptophan which is why you are better getting a product that has been approved for its safety.

The cream contains two plant oils, one is Devadaru (cedrus deodara or Cedar) and the other is Karanja (pongamia glabra or Pongam Tree). These are both similar to Neem oil which you may have heard of before, and all three are commonly used in Indian and Asian natural medicines for animals and humans, and because it is non-toxic it can be used on pups. This cream has many uses such as to eradicate mange (sarcoptic and demodectic), in wound management as it is an anti-bacterial, for treating fungal infections like Ringworm as well as inflammatory and allergic skin conditions. I have used it for treating localised demodectic mange and Hot Spots in my dogs and it is fantastic, only downside is the colour and smell, its kind of like betadine in a way but is fantastic (hence the reason we are bringing it to Australia!). Hope this info helps, I can send you a sample if you have exhausted all other avenues Cheers Janelle

Hi Sas If you would like to try something new I have a cream for dogs which helps with a variety of skin problems including mange, dermatitis, bacterial and fungal infections. We are about to start selling it to vets and I can give you a sample to try if you like, see if it helps? It contains natural plant oils (I know it sounds airy fairy but I have used it on one of my bitches to totally eradicate demodectic mange and hot spots) and has been used in India for years. PM me your details if you would like to try a sample Cheers Janelle

Has anyone had to use an Alizin injection twice in one bitch on consecutive seasons? I tried to find some info on this but havent been able to. Unfortunately we have moved house and found out mid-season that she was getting out and visiting the next door neighbour's entire staffy male. This is after spending $6000 on new fences to keep her secure Any advice or experience with this would be great, thanks.

Yes I gave the adult one, and when I tried it the first time I didnt mix with the Nutro (as it was just a taste test) and they just loved it. They also have it for cats so I might switch all animals over to it The only thing is it is quite a bit more expensive, $120 for 13.5kg where Nutro Lamb and Rice was around $90 for 15kg, but I havent compared how much to give each day yet as I am still finished off the Nutro so will have to work this out, either way I'm happy to pay more if my bitch's condition improves due to her actually eating it!

Hi everyone I just wanted to let anyone know who is thinking about trying the new kibble Orijen to definitely give it a go. We used to feed Nutro and had to find a replacement now that it is no longer available in Australia. Nutro was the only kibble my fussy bitch would eat (we tried about 5 or 6 other premium brands but she wouldnt touch them) and even Nutro she would only pick at occasionally. We tried Orijen and to my surprise she ate it as soon as I put it in their bowls, without any meat! This is a first for her so the palatability is excellent! I can't report on condition as yet as we have only just started giving it but for those who have fussy eaters I can definitely recommend it. Cheers Janelle

I agree that Demodex may be caused by stress, may be hereditary, and may be transferable (although this is the first I have heard of this, sarcoptic is definitely though). I have had two very different experiences with Demodectic mange. First was many years ago with a Staffy pup I bought from an aquaintence when we were looking for a companion dog (not a registered breeder - have since learnt my lesson). She had lumps on her head at only 4 weeks of age, lost most of the hair on her head by 9 weeks, and was completely bald (her entire body was hairless) by 3 months. We couldnt start ivermectin until 3 months of age as it is toxic to developing livers and kidneys, so the poor thing had no treatment until then and it was awful. Ivermec cleared it up by 6 months and then she was desexed. This was definitely transferred by mum and all pups in the litter had it. Poor breeding I would assume as later it came out mum had it too so agree hereditary in this case. Second case is my current British Bulldog bitch. Her breeding is impecable, grandsire was World Bulldog of the Year and British Bulldog of the Year in the UK, her half-sisters have both won the same title. At 6 months of age I noticed a small patch of hair missing on her hind leg, it took us a few weeks to figure out what it was as it never grew more than about 5cm in diameter. I tried a new natural treatment (an ointment of natural oils from India) which cleared it up in 2 weeks, and it has never come back. We had recently changed her diet and put it down to this "stress" as I contacted the breeder and of course no evidence of mange in her lines. So I have experienced both. Needless to say I think the ointment was our miracle cream in our BB bitch and have given it to others who agree and I am now soon to launch it onto the Australian market, as it is natural and can be used in pups from birth. I just wish I had known of it when we had our staffy, it is such a devastating condition.

I was given the same advice from a Royal Canin rep quite some time ago at a pet expo but I agree with you Dru I do not think the nutritional needs of a boxer would similar enough to a Bulldog, which is what I told him at the time. Boxers are very energetic dogs and hence would require perhaps more protein or carbs, but I think he was referring to the shape of the kibble rather than the ingredients, which seemed like a silly argument to me at the time. He did say though that if enough Bulldog owners contacted Royal Canin to request it then perhaps they would consider stocking it here. Surely if NZ has it then they would consider Australia to be a big enough market? Any way I guess we have to wait and see

I dont think that's true, I spoke to Royal Canin and they are planning on bringing it out here, I spoke to them in August last year and they said probably Feb this year it would be available through pet shops. Its already in NZ. That info was as of yesterday from Royal Canin. I emailed them last week or so, and also spoke to a rep. My apologies, I was only going by what I was told but granted that was last year so obviously you have the most recent info! It is a shame I was looking forward to trying it. I agree with other posters here, bulldogs are no different to any other dogs when it comes to feeding bones etc, it is always done under supervision. Also, the only consideration I have when it comes to choosing kibble is I look for something suitable for sensitive skin as I find BBs react to certain preservatives etc (although some are worse than others). Stay away from Eukanuba for example as for some reason BBs react badly to whatever they use in their kibble, I have spoken to many breeders on this and they refuse to feed this brand, I havent used it myself but respect these breeder's opinions

I dont think that's true, I spoke to Royal Canin and they are planning on bringing it out here, I spoke to them in August last year and they said probably Feb this year it would be available through pet shops. Its already in NZ. In regards to feeding BBs, I have to agree with others we do not feed them any differently to normal dogs, aside from choosing a kibble that helps improve skin and coat as bulldogs tend to have itchy, allergy prone skin (mine are allergic to grass and get red and itchy when it is freshly mown). I choose Nutro Adult Lamb and Rice for the adults as it is guaranteed to improve coat, and my pup gets Nutro Large Puppy. They also get a mix of chicken necks, mince, meaty bones etc but I do supervise when giving bones and I never give chicken wings. Nutro offer samples so if you wanted to try it on your dog prior to switching, you could contact them or a retailer I'm sure they will send you some. As for your bulldog losing 6kg in a week, that is not healthy at all. If it were my dog I would be seeking veterinary advice, if dogs lose too much weight too quickly, whether from not eating due to choice or stress or illness, it can can have serious long term effects. As someone mentioned above dogs will eat if they are hungry no matter what you feed them, so for a dog to refuse food for a whole week and drop so much weight you would have to think that something else is wrong. My advice is see a vet immediately. Hopefully this helps

I would get the opinion of a vet specialist as this is a very complicated and delicate operation, your vet can refer you to whoever is local. I have known several bulldogs to have this done but they have been older than 9 months, but apparently it can give years to the life of badly affected dogs if done early enough to avoid larryngeal (sp) collapse. Talk to as many British Bulldog breeders as you can at shows etc about this as they are quite knowledgable and can offer their advice and/or experience, but I would definitely not be making any decisions without the advice of a veterinary specialist surgeon. Good luck with your pup hopefully this is a last resort for her. Cheers Janelle

Sadly we lost our little man last night, he got out through an open gate and drowned in the neighbours pool. He was only 5yrs young and was the best dog we have ever owned. We are totally devastated and I can only stress enough how careful you need to be with your dogs and keeping them secure in your yard. His life was lost to our human error. RIP little buddy, you have left a huge hole in our lives.

Thanks Rappie, I just checked VetnPet Direct which is where I buy my pet products from (inc Joint Guard) and found the new treats so they must be available now! I might try these next time I am due to buy Here is the link to their web page if anyone is interested: Joint Guard Liver Treats

I know someone who had their bulldog done, I think it was nostrils and palate not sure about anything else, cost was around $1500 but there was a good improvement in the dog. No complications that I can remember, apparently it is quite a common operation for bulldogs, pugs, bostons etc. This was done by a specialist surgeon though not a normal vet.

I agree with the others, what the vet has said doesnt seem to make sense. If they really wanted to take a urine sample they could have needled it from the bladder, it just seems strange that they want you to wait 3 weeks to get urine, why not as soon as you get home then bring it in to see if there is an infection? If it was my pup I would be calling the vet back or another one for a second opinion, or taking a urine sample in as soon as I get it. To me blood coming from any orrifice is never a good thing, I would be asking more questions :rolleyes:

Any news? How is your pup doing?

Ok she had her first injection last night, and it is $87 each (total of $174) The vet said the injection can be painful but she seemed to take it ok, with no tenderness after. She is going back tonight for the second one. We are hoping to be able to mate her on the next season, and have heard mixed feedback as to whether this will be possible or not, I guess we have to wait and see. I will let you all know if she comes in early as this is apparently another possible side effect.

I came home the other day to find out my bitch on heat had dug her way out under the decking, and was found wandering the street outside our house. Not wanting to take any chances I am taking her to the vet tonight and tomorrow night for an injection of Alizin, the drug to prevent unwanted pregnancies. I am a little nervous as I have never had to do this before, and am not sure what the results will be, if there will be any side effects, but I have done a few searches on DOL and most people say good things about it. The only thing I couldnt find is the price - can anyone comment? I will post up any side effects that I notice over the coming week or so, but hopefully all goes well

That sounds a bit dodgy to me...why wouldnt they put it on the Australian label? Apparently the US dont have the tough restrictions that we have here so they can pretty much say they contain whatever they want, and dont have to proove that the product works, so you can be buying a load of rubbish! This is why Missing Link was taken off the market here, because it was from the US and it didnt meet the Australian standards of ingredients and manufacturing (I know because I rang customs myself to try and get some in for my dogs!) I doubt this biscuit actually contains the glucosamine or chondroitin otherwise the Aussie govt would have let them put it on their label! I think I will stick with the Australian made Joint Guard as I know it works and it contains what it is meant to contain!

Joint Guard doesnt have any smell or taste, that's one of the reasons both myself and my mum uses it on our dogs, not like Sasha's Blend which is so awful I refuse to even have it in my house it stinks so much! No wonder dogs dont like it :rolleyes:

Its the hydrochloride one which is safer, this is the one in Joint Guard which is made specially for dogs. I think from another thread on this someone found out that the sulfate version can cause gastrointestinal upset as well.

I would agree, not sure about ginger. Why are you using a human one with ingredients such as ginger that may not be safe when the veterinary ones are roughly the same price and you know they are safe? I now buy the 200g tub of Joint Guard and it only costs $40 online, and the 400g is $65, much better value and you know it is specially designed for dogs

My mum had an old cat years ago that had it, but from memory the vet told her it was a form of arthritis, but maybe my memory is failing! The cat was put on cartrophen injections which i think helped. Maybe you could try an arthritis product, if there was Joint Guard back then I'm sure my mum would have tried it! Anyway it couldnt do any harm to try it???

We buy our pet products from www.vetstop.com.au they have 400g tub for $63.95 and 200g for $40.95 but there are plenty of online shops so shop around for the best price (this goes for all pet products!)

Joint Guard has MSM in it, and as someone said before it has the correct ratio of glucosamine and chondroitin (apparently you need almost equal amounts of each according to my vet). Joint Guard has 500mg glucosamine and 400mg chondroitin, whereas looking at the Wagner one it has way too much glucosamine compared to chondroitin. We chose Joint Guard for my mum's old boy as it is the same as Cosequin for dogs (just in powder form) but cheaper, and Cosequin is apparently the best and most studied dog arthritis product in the world. We did have him on Cosequin until we found Joint Guard.