Danielle

Oooh ok, I'll ask in there, thanks for that! I've been on dol for a couple of years now so I reckon it's about time I got a signature! Hehe!

Hey guys, can any of you intelligent folk enlighten me on how to create a signature? Where does a computer illiterate person like me start? Lol!

My family has. Some people will tell you there are no bad dogs, only bad owners. I beg to differ. Some dogs are just not suited to life with humans and this little guy was one of them. He was brought home at 8 weeks, though, so he had that early socialisation at least. It probably made a difference so that for a little while at least he was manageable, but it only got worse as he matured. Sorry to hear that Corvus. It mustve been awful. Do you mind if i ask what happened? How did you deal with him and was he HA or DA?

Yeah its scarey hey. I never believed that a pup could be HA until I worked with one when i was in rescue. It weirded me out as it was such a strange sight to see this little pupper baring its tiny teeth and snapping. I think they are all different, they can have different personalities from birth. If a dog has an agressive nature at birth there is nothing you can do about it. I have a neutered male toy poodle that seems a little different from most and is very posessive. But this is just him. He is fully obedience trained, has ample stimulation, copious amounts of excercise, a great diet, plenty of attention and is disciplined when warranted, but he is still very posessive of me and my lap. Nothing wrong with it though, we live with it and work with it. Its him and i love him regardless of his little faults. He is my special little guy and i wouldnt change him for the world. I work with dogs on a daily basis (groomer) and I would call myself very dog savvy, but even i might even have trouble with this Kelpie. Its a shame, i feel sorry for this poor pup.

She has experience with dogs, she has three others, all working dogs, well adjusted and well trained. Its not that this pup is scared, it is literally savage. I asked her if it is biting out of fear and she said that it seems like its saying "dont touch me or ill bite!". Those were her words. Once I told her to PTS she backtracked and said it only bites sometimes. I think she is making up excuses for it as she does not want to put it to sleep. But I have to make her see that rehoming is the worst thing she can do right now, the dog is not in any state to be rehomed unless it was to someone experienced in these kinds of things and who was willing to take this problem dog on. I can imagine this must be hard for her, she has never dealt with a dog like this before as most of us havent. Really, who has had an agressive puppy before? Its so easy to say what we would do, but we arent in her shoes now are we? To be quite honest with you guys, I dont think she wants to work with this pup, she is afraid of it and wants it out of the house which is totally understandable. She also feels that her other dogs are scaring it as they are happy go lucky boisterous kelpies and this one is just terrified of everything. Really the breeder should take it back, but we all know she wont. Thanks for the offer "Herding Guy", but I dont think she will go down that track, I will definately pass your email address on to her tho, thank you very much.

I havent read through the entire thread so excuse me if im repeating something that has already been said. But your dog cannot be destroyed (and you cannot be prosecuted) if it bites someone trespassing in your back yard. One of my dogs bit our elderly neighbour quite badly once as she put her hand over our fence to feed them. I had warned her previously that the dogs were protective of their yard and had specifically asked her not to feed my dogs as they were on a specialised diet, but she still continued to feed them. Sadly she got bit and it was bad, it required hospitalisation and stitches. I contacted Brisbane City Council and was informed that my dog would be safe from being destroyed as it was protecting its yard and under state law a dog will not be destroyed for doing so, being labelled dangerous is another matter tho, but thankfully the old lady didnt call council as she knew she had done the wrong thing. But then again that was back in 2002 and that was bris city council, dont know about your particular council but I would assume they would be similar. Dont worry about signs...anyone tresspassing gets wat they deserve. They should not enter your yard, simple as that.

Why? A lot of ppl on here are my friends outside of the forum.... What kind of a professional do you suggest westielover?

Hey ease up! Im sorry about your pony that was PTS, I didnt know. If you already stated it im sorry, I mustve missed it. Im of the strong belief that horses should never be kept alone, ever. You need to get it a friend asap. You can always get a rescue horse for next to nothing, they are really cheap and can be lovely paddock companions. Or save one from the doggers, thats also a nice idea. Sorry to have upset you. But I still stick to my earlier statement, if you had the pony's best interest at heart you wouldve already given it a friend to keep it company, horses are not dogs and cannot be left alone. Your dog also needs to see a vet asap. As others and myself have already said, she may be injured, even if she is weight bearing now it does not make a difference. My gelding walked around on all four legs and had two breaks to his metacarpal bone in his nearside hind leg.....he did not show any signs of lameness, the only way I knew he had a broken leg was the fact that there was blood pouring out of it and we could see bone. Get your dog looked at.

Yeah I wondered that myself....ive told her to take it to the vet asap but im not sure if she is going to. I see a very sad future for this little pup. God i wish i was in a position to help it.

In a home with no small kids, yes that would be the best option, but it is biting and growling if they go near it.....i wouldnt risk my toddler for one day with a dog like that let alone the time it takes for a trainer or behaviorist to assess it and work with it. It needs to either go to a home where someone dedicated will try to rehab it or it needs to be PTS. She said it will sometimes let her touch it but other times it bites. It also has a large lump (?) on its head. Ive told her repeatedly to take it to the vet, dont know if she has or not. And I just got a reply from her regarding PTS and she wont do it. She is going to try to give it away......*shakes head*..... Its so frustrating to try to educate someone who wont listen. Crap. So she is willing to pass on an aggressive dog? Just the same ethics as the breeder who dumped it on her. Can you offer to take it to be PTS instead? Yeah I should hey......wonder how much it will cost to transport it up to QLD tho....she is down near Sydney and Im in Brissy. Any ideas? I think it cost about $150 to fly Elliott up from Canberra last year....shouldnt be much more than that should it? Im only asking because Im in the middle of moving and were already strapped with moving costs....ugh i hate being so povo!

Dont need to tell me that, lol, my super quiet, trustworthy, reliable old gelding near on killed me on Sunday. Riding him at a canter, he busts into a gallop and started bucking like a wild bronco! LOL! Poor old me sailed thru the air and landed hard on my hip. Havent been able to walk properly since.....lol, hubbys been trying to get me to a dr all this week...unsucessfully of course!

In a home with no small kids, yes that would be the best option, but it is biting and growling if they go near it.....i wouldnt risk my toddler for one day with a dog like that let alone the time it takes for a trainer or behaviorist to assess it and work with it. It needs to either go to a home where someone dedicated will try to rehab it or it needs to be PTS. She said it will sometimes let her touch it but other times it bites. It also has a large lump (?) on its head. Ive told her repeatedly to take it to the vet, dont know if she has or not. And I just got a reply from her regarding PTS and she wont do it. She is going to try to give it away......*shakes head*..... Its so frustrating to try to educate someone who wont listen.

Yep I agree, I think she just palmed it off onto my friend. Probably saw her for a sucker and fed her a bunch of BS and was gone. When the 'breeder' brought it over to my friends house it jumped out of her arms and hid under the car. My friend said that the breeder said "I dont know why shes doing that, she has never acted like that before" (alarm bells shouldve rung). Then the breeder quickly told her about the dog, got in her car and left. My friend was left standing there with a pup in her arms. Silly girl shouldve given it back to her but she allowed herself to be pushed into this. Yes it would be best to PTS i think. Edited to say she has only had the dog for a few days.

Wow, spooky! Let us know how you go with this, Im very interested!

There may be a chance of rehab for this dog skruffy, but the fact still remains that it is currently agressive and is living with a 4yo girl. It cannot stay there. So who will take it? Rescue orgs have a responsibility to the public to ensure that their dogs are safe, so they wont take it. I cant take it as i have a small child. And its irresponsible of her to rehome it to someone else as it could hurt a child. I wish there was an easy answer.....i was hoping there would be a rescue out there that specialises in these cases, but i now know there isnt. Sadly there is no place in this world for this little puppy. Gutwrenching isnt it?

I just sent her a message advising her of what she should do. She knew I was coming on here for advice, so i told her straight out what has been said. Ive urged her to PTS for the dogs sake as it must be suffering (mentally and emotionally). Ill await her reply, I know she wont like what I have said as she is an animal lover but she has to understand that sometimes it is the kindest thing to do. Will update when I find out her intentions. I do hope she takes our advice.

The costs involved with behavioural help, and the risks inherent in working with human aggressive dogs mean that no ethical rescue would take on this dog. At best you would get a person agreeing to take it out of pity or just to try to prove a point. No normal person takes on a dog with aggression problems for themselves. No ethical person takes one in for the purpose of selling it. I am not suggesting you take this dog to your house. I am suggesting you take it to the vet. Who is going to step up to the responsibility? Or will this dog be passed on to 'somebody else' ? Well I wasnt sure, thats why i was asking. I didnt know that rescue wont rehabilitate a dog with issues. I used to when i worked with DogAid Aust. I took on agressive dogs and both DA and HA. Stopped doing that kind of work when I had my baby tho. Ill talk to her tonight about PTS, it sounds like the kindest thing she could do for it. She wont pass it on to someone else (as in another family), ive already told her that isnt going to be an option and she agrees, but we were hoping maybe there was someone out there with the skills to help the dog. Oh well, ive tried.

Apparently the breeder tried it out as a working dog but it was no good, that is why it was being given away for free and that is why it is 5 months old. Im not up to date with how to tell if a working dog is good or not, but my cattle dog has always been quite happy to just potter around our paddocks and has never been a hyper dog. She is the queen of the place and lives in luxury, lol, shed rather sleep on the couch all day then go herd cows. She is actually calmer than my poodles believe it or not. Maybe i was just lucky with her but she is the easiest dog ive ever owned.

I meant wait to see if a rescue org puts their hand up to help. Should I give it a day or so on here? I dont know, I just feel so sad for the dog. Id love to take it Greytmate, but Ive got a 5yo daughter myself and 4 dogs and 3 horses....i honestly cannot take on another animal. Im moving in three weeks too and it would be too much. If my life was not so hectic and if i didnt have a small child id take this dog in a heartbeat and try to help it. :D Hopefully she wont get another one as she already has a couple of dogs, but if she does id like to think that the dressing down I gave her this morning will make her rethink how to aquire a dog. Id like to believe that she took all my advice on board but time will tell. Sometimes you can talk till ur blue in the face and ppl still dont listen. Its very frustrating. I have another friend that aquired a dog from a petstore and it nearly ended our friendship as I was so bloody angry at her and she knew me well enough to know id be disappointed but still went ahead and bought it.

Yikes PF! My mare sounds like your big old horse, lmao. My farrier loves my geldings but goes white in the face when i ask him to do my mare, lmao! Oh well, thats what i pay him for!

I had a pony that would attack dogs if he got a chance, not just to hurt them but to kill them, agressive little so and so. He even bit off one of our ducks heads one day, walked straight up to it, put his mouth around its neck and chomped it straight off...true story. He kicked my cattle dog and caused tremendous injuries to her spine and hips. She showed NO signs of lameness but i took her to the vet just to be sure and yep, major damage. 2years and 5K later and she still hobbles around. Dogs are amazingly "stoic" and do not show pain. If i were you id get that dog to a vet ASAP! Put dog proof fencing around the pony's paddock and keep your dogs away from it. If you cannot have another horse to keep it company then you should not have the pony in the first place, horses are herd animals and stress when alone. I wonder if you really care about the welfare of this dog or the pony in fact. JMO.

Wait and see if any offers come up but the odds arent' great. If she IS PTS, its probably a better option than living on a chain being a 'guard dog" for some low life. The tragedy is what she might have been given a decent start in life. Yeah I agree PF. Ill see what happens. Sadly I dont think she will have much of a chance, but you are right, being PTS would be better than living a life of terror and sadness. Can these dogs be rehabilitated or is it usually too late at this age?

No they dont live on a sheep farm but are on a lot of land...horses etc. But not a specific "sheep farm". Ill see what happens, but if all else fails Ill have to talk to her about putting it down, it cant live like that and she cant keep it out of guilt.....there is a child involved sadly. What a sad and frustrating situation.

Sounds completely unsocialised, of extremely poor temperament or both. They have two choices: 1. Pay for someone experienced to do a consult on the pup, and advise prospects of rehabilitation/rehoming 2. Take the pup to the vet and have it PTS. Lovely outgoing young working breed pups die every day in pounds because they can't find homes. I'd be advising PTS. She should stay with the pup and reflect on what this has taught her while its done. I was thinking that myself mate, but I didnt want to say it. The poor little mite. I feel so sorry for it and Im so mad at my friend for being so incredibly stupid. She knows me, so she should know better than to aquire a dog like that. Bloody hell. I was hoping that there might be someone with experience in this area who would put their hand up to help it....maybe im living in a dreamworld, but oh well its worth a try right? Id take it but Ive already got four monsters and a small child myself....plus i live in QLD and its so far away from where she is. Ill have a talk to her about PTS and see what she thinks....

Hi guys. A very silly friend of mine saw an add on Gumtree advertising a "papered" working line kelpie bitch pup for free (ugh!). She called the breeder who came around to her house to show her the dog (weird). The breeder basically handed her the pup and left. My friend thought it would be okay as the breeder told her she was registered and that the pup was papered and she would post the papers in the mail (yeah right). Anyways, the pup is timid and terrified, wont come near my friend or her husband and growls and bites when they attempt to touch it. It is extremely agressive (its 5 months old) and my friend is basically scared of it and does not want to keep it as she is concerned for her 4 year old daughters safety. She has contacted the breeder but got no response of course. She knows she cannot rehome this dog to just anyone, it needs a lot of work and needs full on rehabilitation. I told her Id come on here and see if there is a Kelpie rescue that specialises in rehabilitating dogs with issues. I dont know what else to do, but I really want to help this poor pup. No need to flame me over this either, trust me she got a mouthful from me when she told me what she did. Ive given her the third degree about only buying from reputable and registered breeders, she got the full lecture and feels very stupid. She knows she did wrong but the mistake has still been made and this pup is now living in limbo. Can anyone give me some advise to pass on to my very stupid friend? Asides from more flaming, I think I gave her plenty enough of that myself. Is there a Kelpie rescue in NSW who could put in the time and effort for this poor pup? Ive put a notice in rescue but thought id also put one here. If this is in the wrong section or if i should not have posted this, please take it down Troy, I know its a touchy subject but Im just trying to help. Thanks in advance for any advice.