I'm glad some one understands, I guess you have to have this breed to understand.
My dogs eat well, want for nothing, its just the way it is, enviroment dosent help as we live on dry dirt and a massive highway.
I like to fully clean the tunnels in the ear as that is what has kept my dogs ears healthy for the last decade.
This breed, ears left unattended can', not always but can' have issues.
As I said before, My dogs ears are really good but I cant say they would be if i didn't clean them regularly.
Yes black muck is normal. However cream or yellow or blood isn't normal.
I'm going with the Malaseb idea and Ill be using distiled water.
Ive been sent a recipe for white vinegar , boric acid, rubbing alchol & distiled water and may or may not try that also as first I'll be trying malaseb, and if thats as good as i think it will be Ill stay with that.
'I don't need gallons of ear cleaner, I just wanted gallons' as i refuse to buy 250ml, In my house thats gone after one cleaning session.
So Malaseb sounds the go as i can make it up like i was told by wreckitwhippet and have it fresh each time.
Thank you to the people who gave helpful' answers.