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The kelpie will submit to Tank after they have fought (Tank wins every fight)... but wont back down from having a fight. If I am around, Bill (kelpie) will often start the fight. Often it will start too, because Billy wants to play with Tank, and Tank being the cranky serious man that he is- doesnt want to play... so will growl at Bill, but Bill will ignore it, or start rolling around on the floor trying to get Tank to play, but then Tank will snap, and a fight starts.

Hey all, I have a 3yo Shar Pei entire male, and a 12 month old Kelpie entire male. They do not live "together"... the shar pei is an inside dog, allowed to go out to play, and toilet numerous times a day..the kelpie lives completely outside. We are moving soon, and the shar pei will be living outside with the kelpie. As soon as we move, the kelpie will be "chop chopped". Problem is they have been fighting! (DUH!)I sat down with them this evening outside, and just watched. The kelpie sat under my chair, and everytime the pei came within 1 metre of myself, the kelpie "heeled", him, biting at his legs etc When Im walking around outside, the kelpie will often jump on me (he does it alot LOL) and the pei will "barge" him, and a fight MIGHT start. (however, they USUALLY listen to me to cut it out) When Im inside, the pei is my shadow. When they DO fight (unless I can stop it before it starts), the pei always "wins". Basically, from what I have noticed, the fights start over ME.. both seem to be overly protective of my attention, and affection. What do I need to do to get these guys living in relative peace outside together?? CAN it be done??? Cheers in advance!!!

Yep.... be careful what you wish for..lol. I taught my young Kelpie to jump into my arms, and it HAS seemed to encourage his trying to jump up, also it seems like he thinks that in my arms is where he should be, so will often try and launch himself into my lap when I am sitting outside in a chair... lol. I taught him by kneeling on one knee, with my other knee in front for a "step". With a naturally bouncy, jumpy, young Kelpie, he got the idea almost immediently. I then just stood up higher and higher.. but I found it always important to "brace" myself with one foot infront, and one behind. I used the cue of tapping my chest. He's not that hard to catch being so "bouncy", but I cant hold him there for long lol. Its a fun trick tho.

OMG, that puppy face is adorable!!

sounds like fun mum......... Not very safe tho!!! It would worry me that if he fell I would run him over....... Dont worry :rolleyes: I think the same thing... so drive very s l o w l y, seriously slower than walking speed!!.... Im sure he thinks "go faster mum"!

guess what he has just "learned" to do... he waits for me at the bottom of the driveway when I go out.. and jumps onto the bonnet of my car while the gate is getting shut, and then "surfs" my cars bonnet all the way up to the house (a good 200m)... just as well I usually drive a beat up old car!! If he decides to do it on the good car, he will be in trouble! lol i will try and get a photo!

Seems to be a working dog thing I wonder if it does have something to do with what Clicking Mad said...

I was wondering what theories may come out of this. I have a young kelpie who is constantly on top of things. I am always seeing him sitting or sleeping on top of the outside table. He always sits on chairs. On top of the barbeque. And now he has taken to jumping on top of my car, and sleeping on the roof! He is like a cat! Any ideas?? Just curious!

This has been great reading this for me! I have a kelpie that jumps...and jumps....and jumps....and jumps too! After the initial jump jump jump every time I go outside, he settles down, but OMG he is terrible with visitors! Its great to hear I am not the only Kelpie owner with this same "problem"...

I just want to say a BIG THANKYOU to all who have posted replies...you have all helped both myself and my young kelpie!! So.. THANKYOU to all!! Every "session" with him seems to be getting better and better...with his ability to focus growing, and his bag of tricks dwindling... I can finally see him becoming well behaved joy!! I will keep you all updated with our progress!!!

WOW...you guys rock!! ... Off the subject of the two dogs together for now.... I just went outside before to work my horses..AND, my boy actually SAT when I walked out the door, and just looked up at me as if to say "is this what you want???"... so, I praised him with a very quiet "good boy", and then he went spastic again... but he SAT!!!!! YAY!! And then when I was working one of my horses, (which he will ALWAYS "chase" while I am riding), he just sat at the edge of the arena, and watched!! I am soooooo proud of him!! Thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!!

ERNY- My other dog is a very well adjusted Shar Pei male who is just always on his best behaviour... He is not fearful, aggressive, every thing is fine, but just seems to "put up with it".. occassionally, and I mean occassionally, he will have a snap at the kelpie, who will then submit... but the rest of the time he just puts up with it with this kind of pained expression on his face.

that is wonderful to hear that it is all working!! I will definately hang in there, and am enjoying it all immensely! Cant wait to have a well-adjusted, obedient dog!! One more question tho, will the training that I am doing transfer with him at all onto the way he behaves with my other dog-the jumping, biting etc??

Thankyou so much belijae...very helpful! I will be going thru the links you gave me with relish!! He does the same things to my other dog, who is a very well adjusted, older boy. Jumps all over him, and basically annoys the crap out of him! He just has no sense of the right way to socialise with anyone...

For a 10 week old, maybe he needs to go out a couple of times during the night as well....

Ok...I need more advice! I think it may be time for me to get a behaviouralist in, but for the meantime...any suggestions?? I have been doing exactly as was suggested.. giving him attention ONLY when he shows "good" behaviour, and ignoring him with "bad"... no eye contact, no nothing... except NOW he is trying really hard to GET my attention I guess, and is kinda jumping up at me with this weird little whimpering crying noise... What does THIS mean?? What is going on in his head?? Im ignoring him when he does this too, but he just keeps doing it!! I worked it out and he has been here for 5 weeks... the first week he was very standoffish, and still is with everyone else. The flopping behaviour started then.

This has been really interesting... I too have always thought that Pork was bad for dogs because I heard it somewhere.. my boy gets pigs ears and trotters sometimes, but that is it...

Thanks so much for replies so far...I have already begun with everyones advice... Erny... yep.. you can take me pretty literally..lol. If I do have my feet together, then he kind of just flops ON my feet and then kicks with his legs into my legs. (Can be a little painfull)...

Any more suggestions on exercises that would help us both??? He wasnt socialised at all before he came to me, as I said, he spent his whole life on a chain and yelled at. As a result, he is also VERY wary of strangers, and pretty much anyone else actually, but is absolutely enthralled with me, and getting my attention. But he doesnt know what to do when he gets it- so he just gets VERY "silly". I have taught him to sit, shake hands, lie down, and "beg"... but that was soooo much hard work to get him to FOCUS... he has trouble just getting past the fact that someone LIKES him.. I would appreciate any help/suggestions at all... I think we need it! lol

Hey.. no, no fevers.. my first thought when I saw it was "oh no, Shar pei fever"... but the vet says nope! We are in Sth East Qld... There is no pain involved with the swelling, and only a little heat, and doesnt really affect his movement.

Thanks for the replies so far! He IS an overly submissive dog, and doesnt quite know what to do with attention when he gets it...he just goes completely over the top! Before I rescued him, he was left outside on a chain all the time and only from what I can gather, thrown bits of food to, and yelled at the rest of the time.

Hey.. I have a 2 year old Shar Pei male, who has "swollen" hocks.. I took him to the vet who said it was caused by "excess" wrinkles around that area. He has been prescribed antiinflams for when it is bad. Some days its not there, and other days its quite swollen. The vet said the only other thing to do was an operation to reduce the skin around the area.. something Im not too keen on doing at this point. Has any one else had experience with the same thing??

Hey! I have "rescued" (about 2 months ago), a gorgeous young kelpie male who is about 6 months old...who is an absolute "dag"...When outside with him, and not really giving him much attention, he will "flop" between our legs, roll onto his back and waggle his legs around with a silly "grin" on his face. We can move away, and he will just follow and do it again...we can discipline him, and he keeps doing it but just without the "glee"... HELP!!! It is really quite annoying, especially when all dressed to go out!

If you have a good saddlery there, pop in and have a look at the horse shampoos... they should have ones for white horses, with names like "Glo-White" etc... they are great and are fomulated for dogs as well.